I don't think we can estimate cost differences. We don't know the regulations (also price level set by FIA which is applied for example for S2000), numbers for production, in fact almost nothing...
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I don't think we can estimate cost differences. We don't know the regulations (also price level set by FIA which is applied for example for S2000), numbers for production, in fact almost nothing...
Which part?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
all :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
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Originally Posted by dimviii
I compared (post #35) gearboxes with different amount of gears and torque (R2 having 5 gears and coping less torque compared to a 6 gear R3 gearbox). Then I just wondered how much coping with higher torque affect the price compared to more gears (5 gears vs. 6 gears).
In the second part I was referring to my previous post (#35) where I said:
“Another would be if the engine could be kept standard but would the standard engine cope with a power increase from about 150 hp to about 300 hp.”
Instead I should have said:
“Another would be if the engine could be kept standard but would the standard engine cope with the higher torque”.
Torque instead of power because it’s the torque that counts.
Now i understand :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OldF
you can t measure it because there are plenty of factors that affect the price.
simple example....for evo 9-10 a 5speed dog-box ,you can buy as new from 5000 euros to 10000 euros.Depents from the manufacture.
sequential dog boxes for evo 9-10 start from 8000 to 12000 euros.
All of them have the same gears(5 or 6speed) all straight cut,all can cope with torque at wrc level,and plenty of them have been worked perfectly at 500-600-800 bhp time attack cars.Also the ''cheap'' ones.
normaly a factory build turbocharged engine can cope a lot of power more.Again depents from engine to engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Example,a oem evo 9 -10engine totally standart(oem headgasket,bolts everything) can cope easily at 400-430 bhp and 500-600nm torque.In standart form evo engine rated at 280-300 bhp.Not just for rallies,also for streetcars also.
So we have a about 30% more power safely.
but you can t have a rule for every engine.Some are much more bullet proof than others.
Evo engines are very strong internally,can t be an example for every engine.
weakest point at oem engines when you want plenty of torque is the rods.Because of antilag, oem small turbos,plus restrictor, they produce a LOT of torque at low-mid revs.
But you can pass it,with a homologation just for new rods.Mitsubishi did it, for evo 8mr-9-10. ;) the ''new'' rods were installed direct from factory at newer models,when they saw that the first batch rods couldn t cope with grN torque.
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Thanks Dimviii,
That’s what I’ve thought, the evo engines are very robust already as standard. This what I had in mine when I wonder if standard 1.6T would cope with higher power.
I also read on a site that the standard evo intercooler can cope with 500 hp.
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depents a lot from outside temperature.In Greece for example on a dynometer with good ventilation/fans when outside temperatures are about 25 celsious or more you are going to see decrease in power after 3-4 runs.All this at 380-400 bhp and 500nm.Depents from the pressure you have on turbo a lot.Now you can imagine what happens at 30 or 35 celsious that are common in Greece,Italy Portugal Spain etc.In Greece we use to change the intercooler to uprated ones,even with stock turbos and not so extreme turbo absolut pressures at road cars.In grN is forbidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
generally 500 bhp is a lot for the standart intercooler .You are not going to have problem at engine,but you are going to loose power after some minutes of hard driving.Air Inlet temperature are going to climb after some minutes.On a dyno,with just 2-3 runs and low exterior temps is ok,but at road ,its not ok. ;)
Can someone confirm the 100% finished regulations by fia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I'm almost sure they are not completely finished.
I heard bodykit and wide suspension would be used for R4T after all.
And are the bodykit and wide suspensions really so expensive? Any idea about the prices? Without the wide suspensions it would be only half fun watching these cars: for example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyKSHh2gzko
I hope so. Competition cars should look special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Are anyone else other than Peugeot & Skoda either working on an R4T car or considering one? Ford? Renault?
Later there will be also Citroën DS3 according to PSA officials. I think that Wilson once said they would built Fiesta R4T as well.
Most sucsessful purposebuildt Rallycartype so far has been S2000, with aprox 300 sold.
The new carclass will become the new tier 2 rallycar, right under WRC Internationally, Regionally and Nationally.
If R4T keep a pricetag of half a S2000, how long will it take for R4T to pass 300?
Peugeot pictures and wallpapers
Mmmmh...I guess it will be a very good basis on what to work for the R4T program :cool:
Very nice car, back to 205 lines. If they were allowed to widen it a bit it would be very cool!
awww i am totaly messed up here becouse i find no difference between theese R4T and s2000 turbos like fiesta RRC and mini s2000, will S2000 come to end?
As far as I have understood, FIAs plan is to kill off S2000 NA, RRC will never be allowed to take off due to cost, N4 will slowly die.
So internationally we will eventually have:
WRC
R4T
GT
R3T
R2
R1
And how many N4 are out there which could possibly be replaced by R4T?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
A huge number, but to do that we need a pricetag for a new one that a national driver can afford, and few upgrades to keep it possible to fight for the top in a 2-3 year old car.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
N4 cars will live on for many years in national series, as a good cheap 4wd class. Maybe with a new more open exhaust system, it might sound the part as well!
If Citroën wanted to develop an R4T rally car based on the DS4 R Concept presented this morning, I'd be all for it :bounce:
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Any more pics from Peugeot Sport on the develpment of the 208?
For now only pics of the 208 R2 testing :mark:
According tot rallye-magazin.de this class becomes R5!
R5 really makes sense.
When will they understand that WRC should be renamed R1, R5 change to R2 and so on. Logical FIA pattern really! And RGT deserve to break the pattern !!!
What is news on 208 R4T or R5?
Should have a chassis ready for testing very soon. R3T has had more tests recently.
Today on Facebook of Peugeot-Sport, "something" regarding a racing 208 must be revealed :confused:
Peugeot Sport | Facebook
Looks like a comeback for Talbot: Google Translate
Peugeot does the retro sportsbrand trick, ala Abarth and Alpine - cool, and might be that the R5 will be a Talbot?
In fact it was the 208 R2, not R4... :mark:
But nice livery, I expect same on the future R4T(or R5 or whatever) :bounce:
Any news on the Fabia R5 development process ?
Are there any plan of a R3 Skoda ?
Everything is pretty much secret as the new R5 will come with the new generation of Fabia.
And the new Fabia will launch mid 2013 I read somewhere. So then I guess the R5 will be on sale 5 minutes after that!
Official presentation of the Peugeot 208 R5 scheduled for september ;)
Cool, looking forward to the first testvideo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Is it then logic to assume that Peugeot will follow the same pattern as for the 208 R2, that first they present the car, and then a test period, then homologation and the car goes on sale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
According to latest GPWeek in the DS3 article, it is mentioned that Citroen is planning/ working on a R5 version of DS3 !
Yes, Peugeot and Citroen will have R5 car... It should be a part of switching, when Peugeot will go back to WRC and Citroen to regional championships...
And VW?
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