How was LH well behind FM if they were wheel to wheel in the braking zone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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How was LH well behind FM if they were wheel to wheel in the braking zone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Rubbish explanation. He is a menace to himself and his fellow drivers. Jenson overtakes very well this season and is not marching trough the field as the Red Army.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Ok well then if what you say is true then Hamilton should be banned FOR LIFE for driving the wrong way down the track. How else would Lewis' front wing have hit Massa's rear wheel other than him being behind OR Lewis driving down the track the wrong way. Now maybe I'm a little blind, but I didn't see Lewis driving the wrong way down the track......Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Rosberg and Mercedes were both donkeys, he was going much slower then MS, and then goto the pits and come out 5seconds ahead, I dont think the incident with MS was much different then how webber and kovi came together in Valencia, in both cases the car ahead, lifted/breaked earlier then the drivers behind anticipated, till before that MS was driving a great race, and would have probably finished ahead of diresta and rosberg.
Lewis was a little more impatient then he should have been with his car, he could have got massa in a few corners anyway, that desperate move cost him a podium, he could have probably chased down vettel if he was in button's place.
Well, as has been said, Lewis has a foot in both the Donkey and Driver of the race today.
His start was compromised by a bit of squeezing from Webber and then just clipped Massa. Driving incident but because he caused Massa to pit, I think the penalty was fair.
After that we saw some superb driving and a well deserved 5th place.
Ask yourself this. Would you rather see someone drive their heart out and overtake most of the field or would you rather watch a uninspiring Massa who flops into 9th and then cries about big bad Lewis to the press :bigcry:
Personally, I would like to see more aggression from him. I love his driving and all the time he's driving his heart off (and not punting competitors off on purpose like some we could mention) then I'll carry on supporting him.
I did enjoy the way Button drove in Belgium. But I hate an aggressive jerks who ruin the races of other people and are excused by their fans because are "racers", "ballsy" or some other utter rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
The weird thing is we've seen a far more agressive Hamilton in the past who has been in less scraps so I don't think aggression is the problem as such. I'm really not quite sure what the issue is if I'm honest......Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Another race. Another Hamilton thread. Another overreaction :p
I agree with you 99.999999% but IMHO I think you need to view Lewis' incident in context and consider all the incidents he's been involved in this season. Todays incident wasn't that bad really, just standard racing incident stuff. But the fact that the guilty party has been involved in so many other incidents this season should really warrant a more severe penalty IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I wouldn't say Nico's been involved in that many incidents this season? I'm happy to be proven wrong if you can list some incidents and whilst Michael has been clumsy at times I still don't think he's had as many incidents as Lewis.
Yes, but this time the overreaction is regarding Massa's brutal assault on Hamilton ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Far from it Daniel. Looking at the number of threads with Hamilton in the title then it's obvious who has the target on his back, and looking at the incidents themselves Hamilton is far from being a danger to anyone. He's certainly having a poor year compared to his standards but looking at some comments it's as if he sets out at every race to have accidents with people which is patently absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That said, Massa's "assault" was no such thing. While his frustration was understandable his reaction, in front of the press pack, was childish.
Another crash...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
What 'assault'? All I saw was Massa lobbing his rattle out of his pram.
Lewis did what he should have done which was ignore it.
I know. that Schumacher has been involved in these kind of things for more than 20yrs, but today...what was he thinking :pQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
To be fair he did say "If you touch me again" :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
It really was a nothing incident in all honesty.
He was wishing he was Webber.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Never have bought this excuse. A driver can be a racer without losing his concentration and clipping other drivers needlessly. I don't think he can argue with the penalty, he turned in to early and ruined Massa's race. If hadn't damaged his wing he could have run on and finished 3rd while Massa fell to 20th. So those calling for no penalty would be happy with Hamilton gaining a position through shreading Massa's tyre and seeing Massa at the back. Is that fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
If you cause even a minor collision that ruins anothers race then a penalty is a must, like Brundle said if no puncture had occured then Hamilton would have been penalized by losing his front wing and Massa would carry on. So no penalty needs to be given
They weren't wheel to wheel or side by side. Massa was into the corner and Lewis turned in way to early and shreaded a rear tyre.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
MS saved Lewis today by taking the donkey award away from him.
Huge brain fade by MS. :down:
Well, that certainly used to be the way, before the modern-day desire for retribution in the form of endless penalties, without which the sport seemed to survive for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
How was LH wheel to wheel when he cut Massa's rear tire with the front wing?!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
It was strange. MS had loads of space to move inside but seemed to hesitate and hover for way to long just behind Perez who then slowed and then MS instead of just missing him smashed it up his exhaust pipeQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not strange at all if you think, as has been demonstrated many a time, that Schumacher simply isn't the driver he once was. It's a difficult one to judge. Clearly, he was never going to be a better driver than once he was upon making this comeback. But set against that, the Mercedes is clearly not a race-winning car, and he has been on much more of a par with Rosberg this season. In my opinion, that's not saying an awful lot, as Rosberg strikes me as increasingly overrated, but others better informed than I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
I guess Mark Webber was past it last season already?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
I think though as Lewis has showed for instance last year, a great driver in a crap car can really underperform and appear far worse than he actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Where do I intimate anything of the sort?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I think that's a very good topic to talk about. But if you allow drivers to accidently hit each other and give the other guy a puncture then I think it's potentially a rather slippery slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Just drawing a parallel to his come together with Kovalainen in Valencia 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Back then I must have missed your comment about Webber similar to the one about MS in this thread.
In MS defence I feel people are being a bit harsh on him. The assumption he made wasn't an unreasonable one by any means. Perez braked so early that my initial reaction watching it live was that Perez brake tested him. MS isn't the only driver on the grid that would have gotten caught out were they in his shoes there. I really see it as a racing incident. I understand the stewards view but I felt a reprimand was a bit harsh. It could have happened to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I only watched the incident once and that's the impression I got. If I'm honest I'm not sure I'd say there's a donkey of the race. Hamilton's move was hardly the worst ever and I think the fact that Michael went flying made it look more donkier than it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
That's twice in as many days we agree on something, Daniel. Let us not make a habit of it. It's more fun the other way ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Shut it fanboy ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Kidding of course :)
I watched the race again and TBH i think that perez either break checked MSC, missed a gear or simply was unaware of the situation around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Yes MSC still deserves blame, but more than often this year, I've seen drivers who are clearly out of it, either a couple of seconds slower per lap, on fading tires, or simply not fast enough, being rather unreasonable in being passed.
I certainly understand the need to defend your position at all costs and by any means necessary, but there is a limit to that and too often the car about to be passed goes beyond making it exceedingly difficult and into the realm of callousness.
MSCis not exception either.
This goes for Massa as well in this race IMO. Oddly enough the one guy who displays class and toughness in such situations is Alonso. If it were massa being passed by Webber, both those passes would have ended up in tears and massa complaining after the race.
Yes he was behind, but not well behind as you originally posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
He gave FM the inside and misjudged his own turn-in.
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
you need to rethink this bsQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Alguersuari for crashing, also Perez AND Schumacher are both at fault for their coming together. Oh and Lewis for ruining Massa's race.
Right back in your face you Lewis hater... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
it must pee lewis of to know that vettel is everything that lewis was supposed to be the next sennaQuote:
Right back in your face you Lewis hater
Now breathe.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
It's a good point, Martin Brundle also commented on that in the BBC F1 Forum. Over-agressive driving would be steaming up the inside trying to make an overtake that wasn't on. What Lewis did yesterday was more like careless driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel