Senna to replace Quick Nick at Lada-Lotus-Renault-Genii-Whatever?

Boullier tries to find a reason to replace Nick

Nick Heidfeld didn't deliver speed or leadership, says Renault team principal - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

To be fair I understand his viewpoint, but to say he was always asked by the media 'why is Vitaly quicker than Nick?' is just odd, bearing in mind Nick finished ahead of Vitaly 6 times, while Vitaly finished ahead 3 times if you don't include the races where a driver retires due to mechanical reasons. This whole situation is just a mess, and if I was Heidfeld I wouldn't want to drive for Renault again, so seeing him wearing Renault stuff and promoting the team/staying in the garage shows what a gentleman he is...taking the moral highground (which isn't too hard against Boullier) ;)

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Caption "What the hell Bruno, you said you were good, but that spin earlier looked pretty s**t to me."

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Boullier tries to find a reason to replace Nick

Nick Heidfeld didn't deliver speed or leadership, says Renault team principal - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

To be fair I understand his viewpoint, but to say he was always asked by the media 'why is Vitaly quicker than Nick?' is just odd, bearing in mind Nick finished ahead of Vitaly 6 times, while Vitaly finished ahead 3 times if you don't include the races where a driver retires due to mechanical reasons. This whole situation is just a mess, and if I was Heidfeld I wouldn't want to drive for Renault again, so seeing him wearing Renault stuff and promoting the team/staying in the garage shows what a gentleman he is...taking the moral highground (which isn't too hard against Boullier) ;)

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Lacks leadership skills. What a stupid thing to say! I wonder if boullier looked at the championship tables? He would have found that the driver he was getting rid of is one place ahead of the driver that is staying.
I've always liked quick nick and never really rated senna. Who is betting that heidfeld has had a fallout with management or something....

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“I was not very happy with the pure speed of Nick and his global performance as an experienced driver, that is it. His leadership didn’t work in the team and when you are sometimes slower than Vitaly, in fact most of the time slower than Vitaly, it is difficult for him to push the team and to settle himself as the team leader.”

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The Nick-Vitaly Qualifying battle was 3-7. Heidfeld was behind on average almost .5 second.
In Comparison, Kubica was .7 faster than Vitaly.
I think Boullier's move was necessary, yet putting Senna instead of Heidfeld for performance reason's doesn't exactly match up.

i can not see how Heidfeld can take the court action unless the contract he signed was to be number one driver untill Kubica returned

hate to say I told you so but I did

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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer

.As for Nick...same old story, too inconsistent.

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When ther is one driver that is well known over his consistency it's Heidfeld! Do you even think about the stuff you're posting, or did you do some research at all???

Heidfeld-Petrov in quallifying is 3-7 that's a fact!

But what is the the ballance in the races? Who has most points? Wich off the drivers gained most postions during the races en wich driver lost most places during the races?

The team should be glad with the two lucky podium finishes in the start off the season and the fifth place off Petrov in Canada. The car should no be in the top 6 at all based on it's performance. It's performance got worse during the season and there was no update at all.
Boullier is happy with the development skills of Heifeld he said, Heidfeld also helped with the current updates. And once the updates are ready they kick out Heidfeld.

Petrov is not a great driver and never will be, people that think he has inproved his skills. They are wright, he has learned how te stay on the track for crying out loud. In the races his pace is totally off and he hast lost more positions then that he gained.

I wish them good luck with Senna and Petrov, the wish to beat Mercedes in the championship is a litllebit to optimistic.

Senna outqualifies his teammate Petrov, and also Fernando Alonso!

Credit where credits due - he was impressive today. Let's see what he can do in tomorrows race.

Bitter pill for Heidfeld, the team throws him out at the race where they bring serious updates for the first time since the start of the season.
I can see some lunatics claiming it is all due to Bruno Lali (Senna) being sucha great driver.

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Originally Posted by henners88

It was a good performance though so we can't mistake that and not simply down to updates. The guy has barely driven the car so credit is due. Heidfeld is unlucky as to the point in the season where he has been dropped however.

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yup, but early in the season that renault was 4th best and heidfeld while being given #1 status never quite delivered.
Heidfeld is what he is and I'm not sure why Renault expected him to light up the world. They would have been better off going with Hulkenberg or Klien IMO.
Or maybe they should have told NH that he is on a 6 race trial. Because the only time Heidfeld ever performs is when his seat is threatened or a teammate is beating him hands down.
He was just too comfortable in his cruise control mode. Senna came in and showed what a hungry young driver brings to the table. We will see how the race unfolds though
but so far I've been made to eat some crow about him since I never rated (and still sorta don't) him as anything decent

All credit to Senna, that was a good performance. I've had nothing good to say about the guy believing that his name was getting him places were his talent couldn't. I'm not yet ready to anoint him as the second coming of his uncle but if he keeps driving like that I'll happily admit I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

yup, but early in the season that renault was 4th best and heidfeld while being given #1 status never quite delivered.

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With 4th best car he's got on the podium, so as you say he... Oh wait you were talking the usual rubbish. LOL

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

All credit to Senna, that was a good performance. I've had nothing good to say about the guy believing that his name was getting him places were his talent couldn't. I'm not yet ready to anoint him as the second coming of his uncle but if he keeps driving like that I'll happily admit I was wrong.

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:up: yup, that it how I see it too

Just one point - we've only had one qualifying. There's no telling to what Nick Heidfeld could have done in these conditions - and I think they fit him well.

I'll give credit to Senna once he proves that he has the pace. A qualifying lap in changeable conditions is one thing, but what will he do in the race and in normal qualifying sessions? I'd rather wait before issuing my judgment on him.

Nick Heidfeld is not good at making his own luck.

Decent though he is, his career has needed resurrection 3 times now (2005, 2010 and 2011).

There must be some underlying reason for this that none of us are aware of. Communication with engineers, general demeanour, qualifying performance, all play a part. It just seems he hasn't produced impressive performances when it seems they most matter to those that pay the wages.

If I were him, I would sue the pants off Renault for breach of contract instead of legally being reinstated for a race drive again.

It is not like he will be with the team next year, so what's the point?

OT, but I heard Nick's salary was 250,000 euros per race. I think that may be Vitaly's salary for the entire season!

Senna has surprised me so far this weekend. But, as others have said, the changeable conditions may have made the overall comparison difficult. Still, outstanding job for the boy! If he can bring the car home in the top 10 he will have done a lot for his first race weekend for the team.

Well lets give credit when due - so far Senna has stuck it to Caviar Boy. Can't wait to see the race. BTW the updates don't make excuses for Nick. Petrov should be about 4 tenths or more in front of Senna.
Well it is good that Whinefield will be gone DTM is a good home for him.

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Originally Posted by Matthew

Nick Heidfeld is not good at making his own luck.

Decent though he is, his career has needed resurrection 3 times now (2005, 2010 and 2011).

There must be some underlying reason for this that none of us are aware of. Communication with engineers, general demeanour, qualifying performance, all play a part. It just seems he hasn't produced impressive performances when it seems they most matter to those that pay the wages.

If I were him, I would sue the pants off Renault for breach of contract instead of legally being reinstated for a race drive again.

It is not like he will be with the team next year, so what's the point?

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Do you really know what the contract says? I think Heidfield was involved in other suits over money vs performance. Seems he gets a big contract and then lays down. Good riddance!!

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Wait, so if your boss breaks your contract and fires you without any reason from your job as the janitor, you will just take it willingly and accept it, because otherwise you would be a douchebag?

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I'd sue my boss, not in an attempt to get my job back - just for the money.

Would you go back to your gold digger of a wife if she decided she wanted to sleep with people for money (and never loved you in the first place)?
Doing that would make one a douchebag.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Do you really know what the contract says? I think Heidfield was involved in other suits over money vs performance. Seems he gets a big contract and then lays down. Good riddance!!

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Yes, apparently his contracts says he gets to be one of the two main drivers.

He's a link:
http://www.supersport.com/motorsport..._for_Singapore

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"Nick has a valid contract to be one of the two main drivers of the team," said Heidfeld's legal representative Dr. Stefan Seitz. "This position is disputed by the team for apparently purely financial reasons. We do not intend to rest before Nick's legal position has been fully restored."

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(Which makes me calling him a douchebag, wrong. Still wouldn't go back to a gold digging wife, nor an employer who doesn't want me.)

This guy is a complete failure in races, and destroyed other people's race already today.

To be fair, Kobayashi was it or Perez ran into someone in turn one as did one of the Lotus, so it wasn't just Bruno. However it was not a great race by him at all.

They should have sent him back to GP2 to get some race craft under his belt.

Amateur at best today.

So does this mean Nick will be back next race?? :eek:

Luca Badoers not doing anything the next couple of weeks. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Koz

So does this mean Nick will be back next race?? :eek:

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I don't think Boullier has got any common sense to make such a decision.

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Originally Posted by Koz

So does this mean Nick will be back next race?? :eek:

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Grosjean has wrapped up the GP2 title and no matter how much the managemet deny it, I can't help but think he'll be in the car sometime soon.

Seriously, though. Yesterday, the decision of putting Senna in the car was a brilliant one. Now he's had a first corner crash and he's rubbish. Could we just wait for at least one more race before deciding on whether his return to F1 was a good idea?

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Seriously, though. Yesterday, the decision of putting Senna in the car was a brilliant one. Now he's had a first corner crash and he's rubbish. Could we just wait for at least one more race before deciding on whether his return to F1 was a good idea?

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Seriously, though. Yesterday, the decision of putting Senna in the car was a brilliant one. Now he's had a first corner crash and he's rubbish. Could we just wait for at least one more race before deciding on whether his return to F1 was a good idea?

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Never. Lets rip him to pieces now.. :p :

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Originally Posted by N4D13

Seriously, though. Yesterday, the decision of putting Senna in the car was a brilliant one. Now he's had a first corner crash and he's rubbish. Could we just wait for at least one more race before deciding on whether his return to F1 was a good idea?

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I've never said it was a brilliant decision. He's been as good as Chandhok at HRT and merely (2 tenths/lap) faster than Sakon Yamamoto. Nothing to warrant getting rid of the better driver and give him the seat, though I guess the team has had millions of reasons to do it, you know those green reasons.

They already kickd nick. I say they should call grosjean up and give him his shot for the rest of the year since he locked up his GP2 champ today. Dumb move to kick nick in the first place though.

Or they could be even smarter and try to go get hulkenberg. Ridiculous to have a talent like that twiddling his thumbs.

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Originally Posted by vhatever

They already kickd nick. I say they should call grosjean up and give him his shot for the rest of the year since he locked up his GP2 champ today. Dumb move to kick nick in the first place though.

Or they could be even smarter and try to go get hulkenberg. Ridiculous to have a talent like that twiddling his thumbs.

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Hulkenberg will not go to a team that might drop him anytime for a bigger check, he already had that at WIlliams, who at least did wait for the end of the season.

Okay, let's put it this way. Despite Heidfeld seriously struggling in qualifying, he seemed to have at least decent race pace and managed to get ahead of Petrov on several occasions despite qualifying behind. But Lotus Renault GP didn't have much to lose (more likely to win - with extra sponsorship money) with this decision as with this car neither driver was collecting big points any more and if Kubica doesn't come back, it is in the interest of the team to start seeking for a successor, especially as they don't view Nick as part of their future.

Heidfeld. What a telling finish to his F1 career - in flames. But I have to admit that ever since 2007 (when he was having a really excellent season) he has never looked the same again for some reason by often suffering from qualifying troubles. In the last two years there were (perhaps at the time rightful) complaints that it's unfair that Heidfeld doesn't have a full-time drive. But by now he has shown that he genuinely isn't an attractive prospect any more... and perhaps not even as a substitute driver.

Senna... I have to say that already in GP2 he looked good in the wet, so the impressive qualifying effort doesn't come completely out of the blue. But remains to be seen, how consistent he can be across all sessions, conditions and tracks.