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I think it's pretty clear that Ogier wants to be champion with Loeb still around, he wants to beat him. Another interesting thing is a video I saw in Youtube where Loeb is arriving at service park and saluting all his mechanics and team member and Quesnel arrives to salute him but he seems very dissapointed and guilty, Loeb smiles and Quesnel retratcs immediately after shaking hands.
Quesnel was told for a long time! Loeb was very clear on this subject, during the renewal of his contract, before Ogier signs his last year, he suggested him to join Ford because he was not willing to being N°2.
Ask Loeb 7 times Champion to freeze positions during the 2th rally of the season, while he still is in position to win is unrealistic.
Sports are a battle and at the end it is the best which wins. Citroën has 2 greats combatants in the team, it is a big risk but it is Quesnel which is a dreamer by believing able of being to manage easily this situation.
Ogier wants to win, but especially to beat Loeb!! And loeb please not be allowed to make it without fighting... That's it. Who could blame him for it???
We shall never see Loeb driving as a civil servant, 2 minutes behind the best one, and waiting that they make an error to acquire the win. He will stop its career before it.
At same time we risk seeing this season of the enlivened rally's and not flavourless streams as sometimes.
René, you forgot something of some importance in your translation, the article says "according to our sources". Means someone heard something behind a curtain... indeed, it's a source.
I don't buy the story of Quesnel freezing positions in Ogier's favor. Quesnel knew Loeb lost 50 seconds and that he was leading the rally fairly and squarely before it happened. Moreover, Loeb had a better 3rd day road position, 10 seconds only to recover over two long stages, making it a strong possibility for Loeb to win the rally, plus he knows Loeb's caracter.
But still, he would ask him to freeze positions in such circumstances ? no way, IMHO.
Quesnel probably said something like, we are leading tonight, i don't care who wins, i want my two cars on top of the podium. As a result of the apprentice willing to reach the master's level too early, Ogier crashed out.
If you listen to Ogier's interviews, he refers to other drivers and to "him" (Loeb), he never speaks in term of team and doesn't act like a team mate. There certainly is a discipline problem at Citroën for Ford's pleasure :)
Probably that someone was me.. here in the forum :-P It is called snowball effectQuote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
True... however, Loeb was like Ogier is now when Team Citroen was formed and contained drivers like McRae and Sainz and he admitted it himself. He said he understands Ogier very well but is going to fight for 8th title. This comment was made before Rally Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
I think everybody forgets what kind of terms of a contract he was promised when moving to Team Citroen from Junior Team. He has made it very clear that he was promised there are no number one driver.
If I was Ogier, damn right I wouldn't settle to be number two. IMO he did right, too bad he made a small mistake which cost too much. Think Ogier would have win !!! He would be everybodys hero. I think his mistake was worth of a risk. :up:
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Originally Posted by Karukera
You are right, precision is important, but I think that the journalist who was on place did not want to implicate the person having assisted debate brought back facts (certainly a Citroen Team member). It is specified in the article, that Quesnel finally let 2 Seb for fight by asking them to stay on the road.
“Ogier is surely one of my biggest rivals for title. Do not attack in my situation, 10 seconds behind him while I had a position favorable on the road, it was to give him a gift. And, not while giving gifts we can earn races and titles. (...) I did not wish what arrived at him, but when we leave to the attack we know that this can arrive, both of us. (...) In Portugal, he will have a good position on the road, I shall not ask him to give me a gift and it is normal. It is going to make his race, I shall make mine.”
We shall know more about this story very soon and the next Rally will be interesting to follow ;)
Citroën WRT wins the drivers with Leob and Ford with the manufactures?
Íf things continue the way they are, that is going to be inevitable. More interesting is to follow how shall thing called teamspirit develop in team Citroen....Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
no...Citroen wins everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
This is interesting...If Loeb really is going to retire at the end of this season, Quesnel is, of course, going to want a capable, talented,and most importantly of all, french driver to follow in the footsteps of loeb, and continue winning the drivers championship in a Citroen. So is it really all that unusual for quesnel to want Ogier to beat Loeb before he retires? I dont think so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
tfp...was sordo french ??
No, but he never pushed Loeb on gravel like Ogier can. And while Sordo was Citroens perfect team player(Always second to Loeb) and a very skilled driver, he was never going to challenge loeb for that number 1 spot, not like Ogier can.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
sure, but you said ogier pushed loeb because he is french ??? because you said....
...talented,and most importantly of all, french driver to follow in the footsteps of loeb
eh? No, read back..Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I agree! Loeb is Loeb! The best, probably the best ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
the best ever...not probably.
Haha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The point I was trying to make is that its clear that Quesnel wants another Frenchman to represent the manufacturer after Loeb retires. A lot like Mclaren have 2 british drivers representing their company, and Mercedes GP have 2 Germans representing their company etc.
http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/q...n_team_orders/
Yeah, the best ever - the world's best liars for ever and ever. ;)
better be the best liars than the biggest losers.....Ford team is the ultimate loser in the history of every motorsport....none in the history of motorsports competed for so long and won so little....its laughable and pathetic....i think we should make a special olympics style of motorsport in order for them to win something. they should publish a book after they finally quit (in 3 years maximum) to share their failures with the rest of the world...
see i can can use propaganda as well....and i am far better than you also.
Well, think what WRC would be at the moment without Ford. Give them some credit that they are still in after all of this when other carmakers have left this sport
Around numbers: Formula One 176 wins, NASCAR 600 wins, WRC 75 wins, V8 Supercars 175 wins and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
N.O.T, if you're calling them losers you must be a real "ultimate loser". ;)
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Originally Posted by cali
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Originally Posted by Bobcat
i care only for mens sports...so 75 wins in 100 years of involvment....losers is too much of a compliment for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
100 years!! So Ford was one of the main players in the 1911 World Rally Championship, then? I suppose you can give us an update, N.O.T...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Another example of the deteriorating standard of discussion here?
it was a figure of speech to stress the very long involvment of ford int he series.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
Pull your head in.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You seem to think everyone is entitled to your opinion.
You're wrong.
NOT's comments only show his lack of appreciation for the sport. He tends to take very little into consideration too.
Whats with all the NASCAR bs in the tittles? Doesn't have anything to do with 1st of April? lol
So you would be happy if it was just citroen v citroen v citroen etc in the championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
yes....because as it is now the car forms somehow the result not driver skill (Loeb would still be champion because he is the best ever) i think with an equal car Latvala and maybe hirvonen would be on par with Ogier and Solberg...
Fords plan for the moment is to ensure wilson gets more drives, rather than car development...
No true rallying enthusiast would ever be in favour of a one-make championship, which is what you are saying here.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
once more you misunderstand....
If i was to choose between a 1 make championship of equal performance cars from a 5 makes championship with only 1 of them have a competitive car...then yes i would chose the one make one...
The ideal would be to have 5 makes with almost equal cars....or at least with no huge differences between them.
Ford is now once more far behind the citroens.....so this is not good for anyone.
Ford 100 x Citroen 90 http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/cham...manufacturers/Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Hope it will be changed soon..
Last time I looked Loeb was the current world champion :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I wonder if budget limits would make the cars more evenly matched?
Although that would really annoy the PSA I'd imagine.
It would be cool to see Loeb in VW for that 15 millions..
VW would be stupid to give Loeb 15 million NOW and Loeb would be stupid to leave citroen NOW.