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But then again, Vettel also was the driver who lost the most points from reliability problems in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevincal
I don't really think that Vettel was the best driver in 2010 -his lack of overtaking skills was problematic at times, specially in Belgium-, but in any case, he would more often than not put on a superb qualifying lap and a fine race to bring the car home in a great position. And that's what made him champion.
A very stupid race by Ferrari in the last race helped him greatly to become champ too, though.
i agree i reckon that vettel had the worst luck this year out of any of the title contenders and although being a fan of webber other team politics he had no mechanical retirements last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by hornet
They did of course make a very useful decision for him earlier in the season, remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevincal
"Fernando is faster than you, do you understand?"
Some would argue the strategy error in the last race simply offset that little episode.
Had Red Bull put that degree of effort behind Vettel, he'd have won the title by light years, but they had the good grace to actually allow his team mate to race. Compare the points Webber took out of Vettel to those Massa took out of Alonso and the idea that only Alonso was the recipient of bad luck is rendered even more ludicrous. Being such a good driver, he a) shouldn't need that degree of favouritism and b) should've been able to capitalise on Vettel's mistakes, but he didn't. That may indeed be lucky for Vettel, but it isn't unlucky for Alonso, he simply failed to take full advantage. Spa is a great case in point. Vettel had an absolute shocker of a race, yet rather than take advantage, Alonso promptly stuck it in the tyres. How about this for an argument? Had he NOT binned it at Spa, there wouldn't have been as much pressure come the final race at Bahrain and the team may well have had more leeway on the strategy call. Or at least been less impacted by the total dog's breakfast of a call they actually made. His mistake at Spa narrowed the margin of error for future race strategy, as there was immediately more to lose. So it was actually entirely his fault he didn't win...
Alonso caught lying again - He was outpointed by Trulli in 2004. In addition to that, Hamilton was clearly better than him in 2007 and caused mental damage to princess Alonso.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Wrong, Garry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Alonso 59
Trulli 46
Sources: http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2004/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Formula_One_season
Wrong, Davo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Check what the standings were before Trulli was forced out of Renault.
That's actually a fair point, and a perfect illustration of the danger of relying on statistics. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Thank goodness you're right, I found myself in the uncomfortable position of defending Alonso for a moment :p
Yeah, don't do that, that's what Massa is paid to do...... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Oh dear, does that mean Trulli was despensed with because Onslo couldn't beat him in the same machinery?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
You don't suppose Onslo tried anything like that in '07 do you........???
:laugh:
At least he beat Villeneuve, I guess. That must be some comfort. Mind you, my auntie could probably have beaten poor Jacques in those three races, and she was in a mobility scooter at the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Come... on come on, come on come on, come on come on come on...
Alonso: “I’m a leader, not the leader"
Well, When I think of Onslo, sometimes something rhyming with Paul Gadd's stage name comes to mind.............. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
I didn't want to open a topic for this, so here it goes. I've read in El País that Alonso considers Schumacher to be a big contender for the title next year if he has a quick enough car.
I don't think that Schumacher would be faster than Rosberg, but who knows. My money is on Nico, though.
Edit: actually, the title of the report I've read is "El que más miedo me da es Schumacher", which translates as "The one I fear the most is Schumacher". What a coincidence, isn't it?
By saying he fears Schumacher, Alonso's sending out a message to Massa, Button, Hamilton, Vettel and Webber that he doesn't fear them. Sports Psychology 101.
Reverse psychology I reckon. He's saying he fears the shoe, knowing full well the old boy does not stand a chance, so, when he fails to become champ again this year, but is ahead of the shoe, he can say - I told you I feared Mike, but I still beat him fair and square.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
No point in saying he does not fear Lewis or Button, as they have beaten him in the past......
Yes and my father ONLY says this after his 7th beer.........I'm not drunk!
My response.......I didnt ask!
Saying you think a 7 time world champion could be tough to beat isn't particularly surprising, even if that champion is past his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Alonso beat both Hamilton and Button last year and Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 so I fail to see your point.
You're father's lucky. I get drunk on 1 beer :bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by JackSparrow
The 10 or so before that one have no effect whatsoever :D :beer:
I've read about the quote I post earlier about Alonso and Schumacher, and after finding it in Autosport, James Allen's and Joe Saward's blogs, it seems that the "fear" expression about Schumacher was more of a poor translation than anything else.
In any case, I fail to see how this could mean putting the pressure on Schumacher. I doubt that Michael is the kind of person who cares the slightest bit about what is said in the press.
There´s only one. Seb.
Fernando is insecure.
Agreed, particularly after what happened with Alonso vs Hamilton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
But you only need to look at 2010 Vettel vs Webber and all the whinging (from both camps).... no way they would let that situation occur again, and Alonso is a better driver than Webber so would even stir the pot that bit more!
IMHO I don't think this has a ****ing thing to do with Massa. Someone asked Fred a question in regard to Vettel and he answered it.
What useless thread. It must be the off season
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Of course he's insecure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Wouldn't you be if you were racing wheel to wheel with the Crash Kid?
That's what I think too. Some people here are talking about psychological games and all the drill, but, quite frankly, I think that Alonso just spoke his mind and that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz
Fred and Hammy should fear Seb. Adrian is the best brain in F1.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/66...ewey-s-praises
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Originally Posted by Mia 01
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/66...ewey-s-praisesQuote:
"The appeal to him joining Red Bull, when I convinced him to come on board, was to get involved in something at the beginning he could put his footprint on, something from scratch
What a load of Red Bull Crap
I'm quite sure it had nothing to do with the money. :rolleyes:
One has to wonder what would have happened had Newey actually come across to Jaguar as originally planned prior to the leadership spill - could we have seen Alonso dominating in a Newey designed car which the Wunderkid struggled to show his wares in a merc or one of the second rate teams........a good designer takes a lot of pressure off the drivers
The best team got the best drivers, or?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tumbo
Yet money is no object for Ferrari,but RBR has beat them the past 2 years! So it has NOTHING to do with money!
Alonso speak too much - I was reading somewhere that he fears Schumi - even Nico was wondering what in a hell has taken Fernando (getting old?) --- fears Schumi but not Seb.. ?? it's incredible :) if Alonso fears anyone in Mercedes .. it should not be Schumacher .. and I agreed ..
Don't worry, probably just a dodgy prawn in his paella....... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jas123f1
This suprises me.
this is so stupid, the only reason alonso didnt win wdc in 2010 is because of a stupid team strategy in the last race. Alonso was the better and more consistent driver in 2010. Of course he does not fear Vettel. Vettel is just like Hamilton, fast as hell but quite incosistent. Alonso = fast as hell and consistent... Watch, Alonso will do at Ferrari the same thing Schumi did... Expect 6 WDC from Alonso by the time he retires.
I could save this post and come back to it but it's not worth the effort :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevincal
Alonso is a exceptional driver but there are a few in his catagory at the moment where Schumy reigned through a much easier time. If Alonso wins another 2 he will be ranked as high as anyone in my book.
No, for most of 2010 Alonso was making one mistake after another in races. A complete joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevincal
No he isnt. He hasnt beaten Alonso in an equal car yet, but dont worry, if they were to team up, I am sure Alonso would once again go crazy and blame everyone from the government of Argentine to the price of oil for his defeat.Quote:
Of course he does not fear Vettel. Vettel is just like Hamilton,
The sad thing is, his fanboys would eat it all up and actually believe everything that comes out of that princess`mouth
...including Nestle for slipping drugs into the Libyans' skinny lattes!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Those bloody Nestleians. Can't trust them and their creamy milk chocolate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko