I have no idea who you're talking about, and I doubt you've seen a proper South Indian guy in reality. So, just picture me a shade darker than Will Smith, and it will all start making sense to you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
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I have no idea who you're talking about, and I doubt you've seen a proper South Indian guy in reality. So, just picture me a shade darker than Will Smith, and it will all start making sense to you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Well, IMO any joke based on race, caste, creed, color etc. isn't funny for me, and well that's what I've been taught. So, I guess probably that's why I don't find these jokes funny. However, it's strange isn't it that people make these jokes on black guys, their physical appearance, but I don't hear many funny "jokes" being made on white folks. Why the double standard? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
How will killing the landowners help the killers? They wont be getting the land. The killings are based only on racism and hatred of whites and because they know they can get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
My ancestors were slaves many years before any european had set a foot in South africa or Zimbabwe (in their own country too), that doesnt mean I am going to go killing the ancestors of those who were the ones keeping my ancestors as slaves, right? Or does that excuse it somehow?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
But I get your point, killing whites out of retaliation is okay. Because whites are guilty of all the bad things in world and without them, africa and other places would be such booming successes :rotflmao:
Well, if you start a thread on racism which is a serious issue, you shouldnt start it because of a completely irrelevant happening that didnt hurt anyone or has no impact whatsoever, which you due to being such a sensitive drama queen made out to look like such a horrendous incident.Quote:
I'm not at all supporting it or trying to justify it, and in fact these things should NOT happen in today's world. It's a bunch of uneducated gun-happy idiots exacting revenge on some innocent farmers, and I completely condemn these actions, but when you cry about something, try to see the bigger picture.
Oh mister high and mighty, I am sure your jokes contain such a dose of intellectuality that even Marilyn Vos Savant would find it hard to keep up.Quote:
Well, if you want to laugh at jokes like these, and even make some up yourself, then I guess that's you and your sense of humor, which I of course would never understand. I'm sure you and that girl will have a blast laughing your asses off for hours on these intelligent jokes.
I have had guys want to beat me up and attack me purley because of my nationality, a bit worse than you thinking someone gave you a weird look, huh.Quote:
It's easy to jump and say, all the 'minorities' cry racism at the drop of a coin, unless you've actually lived as one and walked in their shoes. And I've seen many folks do this, seems to be the new trend.
But I am sure you can just keep on thinking every bad thing that happens to you in life is due to racism, every time someone gives you a weird look, racism, everytime a girl says no, racism, everytime you dont get a doctors appointment quickly, well, that just has to be racism! Every little incident just has to be racism.
There are many, the problem is that whites never have problems taking such jokes and they dont cry racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
It's a shame you don't know Banel. He's the most loved footballer from Steaua Bucharest. He's the proof we're not racist because he's gipsy, he's not very talented, he's ugly as a sin, but we all love him to bits. Despite his stupid own goals.....Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vmkO9TP-To
Did I even say killing whites was okay?!? I only pointed out a possible reason for the new idiots to exact revenge. Did you not read what I wrote next or is your brain incapable of making the distinction?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Did I say it was a horrendous incident? Nope. I said it was something ridiculous. Now, who's the drama queen here taking things out of context and exaggerating them? And do people only start threads in the "chit-chat" section on serious and relevant issues? I didn't even brand all white guys as racists, in fact I said there's racism in every country, and yet you had to jump in to defend all white guys. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I don't know how intellectual they are, but they're definitely better than jokes about race specific inappropriate jokes that make you slap your thighs and spray your beer out normally. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Point out one place in this thread where I said that people ONLY staring at me or giving me weird looks was racism. Can you find it? No. It's when they start calling names, then it becomes racism. But why would you care to read anything thoroughly before spewing the garbage. That's not right! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
And the guys wanting to beat you up, are you sure it was because of your nationality? It wasn't because of you being just....you? :p
Just told you the one about the african who jumped in the Mercedes. I also recall one about Ceausescu visiting a african tribe ( not for a family forum ).Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
I bet there are such jokes but we don't know them. Romanian jokes are always about the romanian guy who's the smartest. They usually start with " an american, a russian and a romanian...." . Nationality may differ but the romanian wins every time. :laugh:
We also have jokes about guys from different regions of our country speculating the low parts of them and nobody is offended. Those about transylvanians are about their slow mind, oltenians are smart and moldovans lazy.
Well, if there are, I certainly haven't heard any. Care to share a few?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Again on the defensive. :laugh: I'll say it again, I'm not branding your whole country or ALL white guys in this world racists. So, no need for you and Garry Walker to run to the defense of white folks. Some of my best friends are white guys, and probably there are more racist guys in India than any other place.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
I just heard something ridiculous said by ONE person, and so posted it, simple. Don't know about you, but that was shocking to me, and judging by the first few replies, was shocking to some other guys as well. I am in no way implying that every white guy is racist.
Who will?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
You haven't hung around enough black people....At least in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Ethnic hatred, or jokes, which is what you should call your topic rather than racism, is not new or any greater or lessor than is has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
In the U.S. ethnic hatred and jokes from northern European people about norther European people, including religious divides, ran rampant for decades. It ebbs and flows.
The group of the moment, that is the butt of such forms or derision, depends on what area on is in at any point in time.
Well, isn't ethnic hatred what eventually leads to racism? I mean in a broader sense they're the same. If the guy wouldn't have mentioned the guys from Kenya, that girl probably wouldn't have said anything demeaning. EDIT: I mean SOME Europeans don't really make fun of other Europeans, except for maybe the French...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Racism-may- lead to ethic hatred, although if a person, such as a Paki friend/s I had in college said/would say- "I am just as white as you are", which is correct, it can cause the attacker to stumble, trying to defend his baseless attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
To modify Anthonyvop's reply- you were not/haven't been in the U.S. as a permanent part of a community.
When I was a youth, even into early teens, families were permanently split apart because a white person of one family, bonded with the white person of another wrong, by opinion, family.
Some of these may have had ancestors from the same area or even country in Europe.
Minn. had a invisible line separating the state into they and we.
I am in the opposite situation. I have told my mum I dont want to spend Christmas with her as my step-dad's mother will be there. I refuse to have my Christmas ruined because she's a racist old bag. If I hear her used he word "darkie" one more time I think I may be the next person she calls Age Concern on. Maybe it's because she it 86 but I still don't think there is any excuse for it. She has family of mixed race too.Quote:
Originally Posted by glauistean
Beyond "darkie" what is her attitude, I have a feeling it goes beyond that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
When "blacks" call others of similar race "nigger" (because they think it is cute) while critisizing Bill Cosby for still using the term Negro, in the U.S., what is wrong with darkie?
My step father's mother is a bit of a weird case. She is very openly racist by the things she says but at the same time she would not cancel a doctors appointment for example if the doctor was not white. Her racism only goes as far as satisfying her own purpose and needs. The doctor would still most likely be referred to as the "darkie doctor" though. I suppose you might class it as selective racism. Either way, I'm happy I'm not spending Christmas with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I refuse to talk to and acknowledge racists...end of.
BTW to the person who's friend was racially abused in Poland, I cannot apologise enough for the disgusting behaviour of some of my compatriots :mad:
I beg to differ... Only Europeans I haven't heard jokes are from Vatican. Oh and from Luxemburg. And what's that third small piece of **** country ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Maybe that's how people talked when she was young and she sees nothing wrong with it? "Darkie doctor" could have been her way to describe the doctor's appearance without meaning to be derogatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
Wrong, look it up, many time the loyal workers for the white farmers were also killed, because they were loyal workers for a white man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Wrong, the loyal workers for the farmers were killed because they were loyal for the farmers. In the Finnish civil war 1918, not just factory owners were killed but also white collar salary workers like engineers and clerks were killed, because they were loyal for the owners and not for the blue collar workers. It was about the color of the collar, not of the skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Jokes
A black guy to a white one:
When i was born I was black, when I get frightened I'm black, when I feel cold I'm black, when I get angry I'm black, when I die I'm still black. You are white at your birth , you are yellow when you get frightened , you are red when you get angry, when it's cold you become purple to blue, when you die you become black and blue.
And you still call me coloured man....
Two very elegant black guys are going to a meeting in the U.N. building in New York. They see a white man washing the floor and humming. One f them say:
Look at this white man, what a rhythm he has.....
I find jokes like this very clever and funny. If finding humour in the differences that make us individual is racism then I'm one.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Fact is, people will find an excuse to spout the racism / discrimination card at the drop of a hat without understanding what they are getting upset about. As for me, I don't discriminate. Some of my best friends are male, white, able bodied and middle class. You won't find a group more discriminated against than that!
Africa is not Finland or even remotely similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
People are people, where ever they live. Desire to revenge and/or improve one's own life are universal feelings. So are the ways people treat those who they consider to be traitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
But it's a country, right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Wrong. In Zimbabwe Black farm owners have mostly been untouched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The killings there are Government support using Race based populism.
Wrong. In Zimbabwe Black farm owners have mostly been untouched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The killings there are Government supported using Race based populism.
Not last time I checked. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Really, hmm, all the "black" people who endured legal segregation in the U.S. will be amazed to find out they had no reason to complain as their situation was not different than any white boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The base of your rhetoric is absurd to the point of seeing it as nothing more than trolling for response.
They had reason to complain, just like the Finnish working class in 1918 and the landless people in Zimbabwe. And they did complain, remember the Black Panthers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party
Apparently you have never, ever in your life met unashamed racists, (I am speaking of racist in the literal definition of the word) and I am not speaking of individuals, otherwise you would not be making such obtuse generalizations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The landless people had a right to complain, to the point of murder, what was that right and who gave it to them?
From what you say murder is justifiable because if someone decides to do, just because.
I don't say murder is justifiable, I say it's understandable if some people who have been mistreated murder for revenge when they think they'll get away with it. Like they say, payback is a bitch, so you better watch how you treat other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Now see, what you call a fact and easily brand as nothing but overreaction is something more complex. It's easy to pass judgment when you haven't actually experienced it. You would have no idea unless you've actually lived your whole life as a minority or gone through discrimination on a daily basis, to understand why people's sensitivity gets molded this way and why they react in a certain manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
So, then what do you have to say about this? Christina Milian, the actress/singer was in Romania shooting for a movie. Here is the link and I quoted from the article down below as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Do you think she's oversensitive too or obsessed with people looking at her? Now, before you go defending your compatriots again, I just want to make it absolutely clear that I'm not branding the whole country as racist. I have good friends here and people who have been nothing but extremely nice to me.Quote:
CHRISTINA'S ROMANIAN NIGHTMARE: Milian Deals with Racism and Nick Cannon's Cheating in Eastern European Country.
August 7, 2006
Christina Milian *A reporter at the junket for Christina Milian's new film "Pulse" asked the star if traveling to Romania to shoot the film was one of those many perks that come along with the job. The actress-singer responded with a short burst of laughter before dropping her smile and asking, "Is that a joke?".....
And no one knew that Milian, the 24-year old daughter of Afro-Cuban parents, was experiencing all kinds of racism during her stay in the country.
"I wouldn't say it was a perk. It was an experience I will have in my mind forever and hopefully I won't get to experience it again," Milian finally told the reporter. "I'm not one that's easily like, 'prejudice!' I don't' easily point the finger that way, but when it's blatantly in your face, it's just depressing to see that it still goes on."
Milian said that among other things, there were Romanian people laughing and pointing at her while barking the words, "Black! Black! Black!" She also described an incident in a mall where she was the only one of her white crew sweated unnecessarily by security.
"Rick Gonzalez is another actor in the film as well, and he dealt with it too," she said. "It took me to another place, I'll tell you, because when I got back home from the movie, I had a huge appreciation for home. But, at the end of the day, it's like how can you blame these people, sometimes? What are you exposed to? You don't know what they're being exposed to."
Milian, a native of Jersey City, NJ who grew up in Waldorf, Md., said she decided to channel the anger and frustration of the experiences into Isabel Fuentes, the character she plays in "Pulse."
But you can't turn a blind eye and deny completely that there are some idiots who make other honestly nice people look bad with their disgusting behavior. I know you can say you're not racist or at least don't discriminate, but you can't account for the rest of them. ;)
Big assumption there gringo!Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
What majority do I belong to. In a diverse society, we are all in a minority of some type or another.
Lets have a look shall we at my situation in the country I live; England. I am Male, white and Employeed.
Sex - Male so I am already in a minority. I have also been in that minority all my life and cannot envisage that changing.... probably ;)
Have I been discriminated against my whole life?
Well, women have lower wages so have I been positivly descriminated against? Then again, women get maternity leave and breaks in their career so have I been negativly descriminated against. Men now have been recognised (after generations of descrimination) as being a necessary part of the family structure and receive a small paternity entitlement so perhaps slowly the descrimination is being redressed but then again, the allowance is not the same so there is still a way to go and the man is expected to just carry on working in most situations and the women to raise the children. Is this right, is this fair?
Then we have the class that don't work. I have to support them whether I want to or not. I have to pay for things like my dental care when they dont and buy a house because I am not entitled to state housing. Is this discriminating against me? But what if I want to work? I can go for a job and be refused on grounds of sex, ability or race. I may not be disabled enough or because I'm not the correct sort of mix of ethnicity, do not qualify as fulfilling a race quota. Or it may be that I am in the minority of sexual gender in this country, I am not suitable for a position as the company wants to increase the amount of the majority and encourage the aforesaid mothers back to take my job!
Then we have my ethnicity. I am white european and am of mixed origins (or whatever the current buzz word is). Yet, it's perfectly acceptable to be refered to me as "You Brits blah, blah, blah, rant, rant" or "You white folk, (insert racist insult and generalisations here)" without anyone batting an eyelid. If I said "Indians this" or "Paki's that" I would be slated and probably arrested.
Problem is, I can be discriminated against because of my age, sex, ethnicity, employment, physical ability and there is no comeback. Could you imagine the furore if a job advert said "White people only" or "No disabled" or "Women need not apply" but if it's the other way around then it's fine.
So my friend. You tell me. Have I been discriminated against all my life or doesn't that count because..........
Jokes are meant to make you cheerful therefore they don't express hatred. They generally are made about controversial issues or to exploit the weak points of certain categories. Just checked a romanian site with jokes. Among different categories I've noticed jokes about: albanese, transyvanians, jews, scotts, moldavians, oltenians, black people, somalese, gipsies, hungarians.
But there are other categories like blondes, doctors, priests, homosexuals, hunters and fishermen, canibals, peasants, schools, political, policemen, army, drunkers, etc.etc.
Now if I say a joke about president Obama doesn't mean I have something against him, I just want to have a laugh. On the other hand if I'm blonde I have enough sense of humour to laugh at a good joke about blonde's intelligence.
I'm not in denial of such cases but the incident that started this thread is really a storm in a glass of water.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Your Christina may have a "nightmare" indeed ( she said those lies probably to be in the press for something because her career is far from being notable. There's no mall in Romania where people will be surprised by a black woman ) but on the other hand I'm sick of loads of foreign nothings who fill the tabloids with invented stories about their "experiences" here. Why Wesley Snipes or 50 Cent ( who no offence but both are really ugly ) haven't such nightmares? ( on the contrary...:laugh :) .
Let's not forget that foreign papers are full of lies about us. Cluj is a really nice and civilised city but the swiss journalists who came here for a football match saw only old cottages inhabited by gipsies ( they have to apologize later :laugh: ).
What you described there is something that pretty much every middle class man has to go through their life, and trust me I've seen much, much worse, not talking here about me but an observation of an average middle class man back home. You've got it WAY better, trust me. So, when you talk about discrimination against your sex and age, that's how your society is structured and almost everyone, black or white or brown or yellow, has to go through this.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
But answer me this, have you ever been racially discriminated against or how often have you seen white folks getting racially discriminated against? While I've seen plenty of guys getting shortchanged only because of the color of their skin.
I agree that there are some idiots who cry "Racism!" at the drop of the hat, but there are plenty others that don't, and it's wrong to generalize everyone in the same pool, when unknown to you they might have gone through something totally legit. Add also to the fact that racial discrimination during childhood can scar a person mentally in a bad way, and hence they can become oversensitive to these things.
You said at the start of your post that you're not in denial of such cases, but later you completely contradicted yourself. :laugh: And just wonderful, so she's probably lying to promote her career, but NO! there can be absolutely NO racism or ethnic hatred or discrimination in Romania in Mr. gadjo dilo's opinion. :laugh: Romanians are God's gift to the world, and when they fart only bunnies come out, sprinkling flowers, spreading joy and prosperity everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Why do you have such a hard time admitting that there MIGHT be racist people in your country? I mean you've heard more than enough accounts, but yet you keep trying to dismiss them as lies or in some cases obsession or oversensitivity. This is straight up denial man. I know you're proud of your country and all, but at least try to open your mind to the possibility of something. I am an Indian and I'm man enough to admit that there are plenty of racist incidents and racism in India, which I'm not proud of.
And why the heck would she lie about what happened to her in Romania to move her career forward in America man? I've actually met some Americans who don't even know if a country called Romania exists. They thought it dissolved into Russia. :laugh: She would get more traction if she said the same lie about a place like UK or Germany, would get way much more press. On top of this, she's a well established singer, and a talented and active one at that too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Milian. As far as acting goes, she's nothing special, but still worthwhile. Also, her ONLY racism complaint was when she came to Romania, so this is clearly not a person who cries racism at every chance.
As for Wesley Snipes and 50 Cent goes, I'm going to take a page out of your book and deny that they DIDN'T have a bad experience. :p Maybe they had to face racism, but didn't tell anyone. ;) In all seriousness though, Snipes is a major movie star and well known, so is 50 Cent as a musician. You can just see Romanian teenagers all dressing up like him, trying to imitate the rapper dress code, while Romanians have not been exposed to Christina Milian that much, so I guess that explains it.