Pirelli

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Chill fool!

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He can't - he's in the doghouse. :D

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

What a bunch of stupid drivel I have been reading.
You people are supposed to be enthusiasts with some understanding of how racing works not a bunch of once a year fans.
This is first real test of the new Pirelli F1 tires with an assortment of drivers and not one car designed to support the tires.
It is testing. It is for Pirelli and the car manufactures to sort things out.
The tires produced for the races will undoubtably be different.
So there was one failure. More than one Bridgestone failed this year for one reason or another.
I do not give a sweet &^*) if they are a second or 10 seconds slower than the Bridgestones. Who cares. It is the same for all and even might make passing easier, although I doubt it.
One flippin day of testing an a whole lot of useless gum flapping!

Well I guess I am in a lot of doghouses now.

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Naw, just ckick on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8

If tamb can run loose again so should you--see chit chat,,,,next it will be tazio jumping out of the closet along with the saint devoted

anyway, I do not think it was that big a deal, as the cars and teams will acclimate, but it sounds like bad news for Schumi, as they bring more understeer according to Rosberg

who cares about the tires - everyone has to use them. doesn't matter if they are faster or slower. If they don't pop your on top!!

Does anyone care that my Cross Country runs on Pirellis?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can only answer that with a question Valve... Have you driven it around Abu Dhabi in the last week? :p

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Well, No! but I did drive over to Carlton for morning coffee at Brunetti's. http://www.brunetti.com.au/BrunettiCarlton.aspx

Daniel's hatred for Pirelli is so extreme I can only assume he had one of their condom's fail at an inopprortune moment. :eek:

Sorry Caroline!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Pirelli are just making excuses because of the crap tyres they make

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Maybe. Although Bridgestone making a soft tyre that can go as far as Button took them in Abu Dhabi is just ridiculous, even if he was helped by smooth driving and cooling temperatures.

I'm going to wait and see with Pirelli, it'd be idiotic to write them off before we even see them race. Fousto's actually right for a change, if the tyres aren't dangerous then who gives a ****? I just want to see some proper racing for a change.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Does anyone care that my Cross Country runs on Pirellis?

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The only 'Cross Country' I know of are trains, do you own a train?

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Originally Posted by Mark

The only 'Cross Country' I know of are trains, do you own a train?

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I think Volvo make a Cross Country model.

Now that Pirelli is the tire supplier for F1, will they keep the tradition of having two compounds for each race? I've grown to like this.

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Originally Posted by Bruce j

Now that Pirelli is the tire supplier for F1, will they keep the tradition of having two compounds for each race? I've grown to like this.

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It's not up to them, it's the FIA regulations that the tyre supplier must supply two compounds and teams must use them both.

I'm not sure you'll get much sympathy for that view here, I wouldn't call it a 'tradition' either :mark:

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Maybe. Although Bridgestone making a soft tyre that can go as far as Button took them in Abu Dhabi is just ridiculous, even if he was helped by smooth driving and cooling temperatures.

I'm going to wait and see with Pirelli, it'd be idiotic to write them off before we even see them race. Fousto's actually right for a change, if the tyres aren't dangerous then who gives a ****? I just want to see some proper racing for a change.

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I agree somewhat. But Pirelli made tyres in the WRC that were falling apart.....

2 posts into the forum and clothes-lined by the admin! Ouch! :)

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Originally Posted by motetarip

2 posts into the forum and clothes-lined by the admin! Ouch! :)

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LOL. Well at least no one pedantically pointed out there is a Pirelli thread already running, although, there is you know ;)

Welcome to the boards.

To quote our legal blurb at work: "past performance is no indicator of future returns"...

i'll stick up for you, i quite like the 2 compound thing too, its adds a little bit of something where there would be nothing

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I agree somewhat. But Pirelli made tyres in the WRC that were falling apart.....

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http://cdn.images.autosport.com/spec...ge/mcrae95.jpg

They've also got it right, therefore I'm happy to actually wait and see what they do.

baah, give me a good ol tire war!! ;)

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Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR

I suspect you're probably right. but Bridgestone tyres seem too good sometimes, so it's a fine balance. lets hope they are not awful, that would be a travesty and a joke for F1.

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So far several pilots of different teams have liked the new tires. Why are you guys saying that Pirelli tires are not that good?

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/spec...ge/mcrae95.jpg

They've also got it right, therefore I'm happy to actually wait and see what they do.

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Have you ever compared the amount of wins that Pirelli have to the amount of wins that Michelin have? Michelin have almost always been the best on tarmac and other than rough gravel like Acropolis Michelin have usually been the best on gravel too.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Have you ever compared the amount of wins that Pirelli have to the amount of wins that Michelin have? Michelin have almost always been the best on tarmac and other than rough gravel like Acropolis Michelin have usually been the best on gravel too.

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Is that the same Michelin that turned up to that ridiculous USGP? ;) Just being flippant with all of this, no point deciding what the tyres will be like until they do some laps in anger at the start of the season.

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

Is that the same Michelin that turned up to that ridiculous USGP? ;) Just being flippant with all of this, no point deciding what the tyres will be like until they do some laps in anger at the start of the season.

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Yes. The same Michelin that offered to bring revised tyres over on a plane, the same Michelin that the FIA refused to give the single tyre contract to for the WRC, the same Michelin that had a rather fantastic tyre war with Bridgestone before the single tyre supplier came in.......

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Have you ever compared the amount of wins that Pirelli have to the amount of wins that Michelin have? Michelin have almost always been the best on tarmac and other than rough gravel like Acropolis Michelin have usually been the best on gravel too.

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On the last few years, Michelin haven't won a thing in WRC :p

Are you saying that Pirelli won't be able to produce an effective tyre because of performance in a Rally? I've heards some bonkers things in my time but.....

I think Pirelli have done a good job in WRC when you consider they were asked by the FIA to produce a durable tyre rather than one focused on performance and the fact they have had only 42 failures out of 26,960 supplied units is pretty impressive for any manufacturer.

And there was me thinking you were more of a Rally fan with only recent experience of F1. :crazy:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Yes. The same Michelin that offered to bring revised tyres over on a plane, ....

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To late..., typical French! :p

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...-mixed-reviews

Schumi and Massa were loving the Pirellis since the fronts have more grip than Bridgestones'. Adversely but not that surprising, Rosberg wasn't impressed.

Buemi gave some interesting feedback:

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"We did our best start of the year," the Swiss told Auto Hebdo when talking about his first impression of the Pirellis.

"You can also brake very hard and very late. On acceleration, the traction is poor and you lose a lot of grip, and the wear also seems higher.

"And on a long run the soft tires wore much less than the hard tires. In my opinion, they (Pirelli) made a mistake and they've already said they'll change it.

"The front tires are good. They respond well," added Buemi.

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Said Pirelli's Paul Hembery: "According to what we have learned in Abu Dhabi, we will change the compounds, but not the construction."

And he added: "The drivers especially enjoyed the performance of our front tire, which is an area that we have worked on considerably."

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I know conclusions can't be made at the moment, but what I want to say, is that I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari was among the most efficient teams in adapting to Pirelli tyres. In recent season we have seen that Ferrari has tended to be quite "easy" on tyres, which has seen them struggling a bit more in qualifying trim than in the race. And if the new tyres are indeed less durable than Bridgestones, it would bode well for the "easyness" of Ferrari's car design.

This'll please Daniel, they're looking at a WRC return:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88478

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Originally Posted by Dave B

This'll please Daniel, they're looking at a WRC return:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88478

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Hooray! More of the worst tyres in the WRC in compounds which make for boring competition......

I remember back in ye olden days when drivers had to take care of their tyres..... not anymore.....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Hooray! More of the worst tyres in the WRC in compounds which make for boring competition......

I remember back in ye olden days when drivers had to take care of their tyres..... not anymore.....

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Again I ask, why are you blaming Pirelli? I have no loyalty or beef with them but the FIA dictated what characteristics they wanted in WRC, not Pirelli.

The FIA wanted a control tyre with high durability and minimal failure.

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Originally Posted by skc

The FIA wanted a control tyre with high durability and minimal failure.

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Agreed.

Merely meeting a demand.

Tyre wars can be quite exciting but it can also be quite a pain as a team can have the best car out there, but their performance is pretty much dictated by an outside company, in this case, the tyre manufacturers. I find this, in some scenarios, quite an unpleasant predicament.

I would much prefer 3 or 4 compounds available throughout the weekend, without a mandatory switch during the race. Stupid rules like that just annoy me.

Daniel seems to have an unreasonable hate on for Pirelli.
I do not think he will ever accept they can make a good tire even when they produce exactly what the FIA ask them to.
I can't think of a racing tire Co. that has come up with a flop at some or other.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

I can't think of a racing tire Co. that has come up with a flop at some or other.

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Michellin USGP 2005. What a c@ck up!

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

Daniel seems to have an unreasonable hate on for Pirelli.
I do not think he will ever accept they can make a good tire even when they produce exactly what the FIA ask them to.
I can't think of a racing tire Co. that has come up with a flop at some or other.

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We will see. I would be VERY surprised if Pirelli's tyres are anywhere near as good as Bridgestone's........

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Originally Posted by Daniel

We will see. I would be VERY surprised if Pirelli's tyres are anywhere near as good as Bridgestone's........

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Daniel, just a curiousity...did you had an off with your 500 wearing some Pirelli tyres since you hate them so much ? :p :

And I fouled up my post. It should have read that hasn't had a foul up at some time.
Me bad.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

So far several pilots of different teams have liked the new tires. Why are you guys saying that Pirelli tires are not that good?

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we are not saying the tyres are bad, rather we suspect that they aren't too good due to the recent announcement from Pirelli.

however, they seemed to put up a good show in abu dhabi last week, so kudos to them and we will see how it goes...

I don't get the argy-bargy here at all .

What's a good tire , kids ?
What kind of compound is right ?

In my opinion , a good tire will be one they can't get to the end of the race with , unless they treat it like they want to . That means slowing down .

One tire , that might inspire a two-stop strategy , would be best .

That's a tire that some will hate , and the clever will take advantage of .

Sadly , Pirelli will take a lot of stick , as they already seem to be doing , but this will be the only way to create the racing we all crave .
A soft tire that will last the race will not do .

It needs to be marginal .

A tire war will only make it worse , or , in reality , too good .

Give them a shatner tire , and let them deal with it .

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Originally Posted by pino

Daniel, just a curiousity...did you had an off with your 500 wearing some Pirelli tyres since you hate them so much ? :p :

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Well funnily enough my 500 wears Bridgestones in the summer (Potenza's in fact!) and Vredestein's in the winter. When the Bridgestones are finished I'm definitely thinking of getting some Pirelli P Zero Nero's so I have nothing against Pirelli as a company.

Pirelli through their history in the WRC have very rarely been superior to Michelin. That's my opinion, I feel it's relevant here and I'm sticking to it ;)

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

I would much prefer 3 or 4 compounds available throughout the weekend, without a mandatory switch during the race. Stupid rules like that just annoy me.

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Agreed but its logistically and economically pointless.

Here is what James Allen thinks about the new Pirelli's. He is not my favorite journalist but I tend to agree with him on this one:
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?T...Allen&id=49781