Not that it wasn't brilliant from the start, it's getting even better now. Probably some oxygen would do you good. That would also mean time away from the Schumacher and Vettel action figures hugging each other. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
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Not that it wasn't brilliant from the start, it's getting even better now. Probably some oxygen would do you good. That would also mean time away from the Schumacher and Vettel action figures hugging each other. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Looks like you were right about the qualification of the game you are playing, now that I think about it it looks like you are the winner. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Mornington Crescent.
Oh yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Well let me remind you that the only driver THAT HAS made the best use of his car over recent seasons, when it has been as dominant as the Red Bull was today, was Jenson Button during the first half of 2009.
No other driver on the grid today, aside from Schumacher has EVER done that.
If Webber in the RB6 was his teammate, Mark would have beaten him on the same strategy h employed today. Hamilton is brutal on his machinery and could not have made the soft tyres last as the immaculate Webber did today.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Sweetest sight today: Hamilton breaking his car :D
Hamilton and Alonso - Neither would have budged and both would have crashed out.
Anyone remember the 2006 win of Hamilton at this track in GP2?
Then no wonder Hamilton will remain reticent to speak out on the Schumi-Rubens storm in a teacup.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. But knowing that Alonso can get somewhat iffy while being passed, and Vettel really needed the points, I began to think that he just wasn't going to chance it. But now, put Kamui Kobayashi in that Red Bull and either Alonso would have gotten passed or they'd have both wound up in the gravel. I like that guy! He just doesn't care!!! :D I'd like to clone Kamui and Schumacher and have 10 of each of them out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
But either or would have cake-walked to the win in the RB in that scenario. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
yep i was a JPM fan. He would most certainly have taken a shot and probably succeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
If an elephant was able to fit it's ar$e into the Red Bull would it have passed Alonso :?:
I think vetten tried a couple of times, if memory serves me right, losing the control of his car as a result on both occasions hence his decision not to chance and bring hame as many point as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
PS I wonder if it was worth risk it all for a couple of extra points on a very difficult track
Easily. With an Elephant onboard the Red Bull would have had enough downforce to be able to drive clean around the outside of Alonso in the last corner, then reach over with its trunk and blow so hard down the Ferrari's airbox its rear wheels would have come off.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Except this "hard on tyres" thing has been shown to be utterly wrong this year. Canada proved that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I think if McLaren had Red Bull's car they would be in the clear lead by now. Red Bull for all their engineering excellence are showing that they are still a relatively new team and can still stuff things up!
I'll take it three steps further. Williams would win the WCC in the RB6Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Interesting. So you reckon that Williams still have what it takes and that it's just the car that's letting them down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I'm going on the talent level of the drivers. I think RB, and NH could win in that car. Not by the margin that McLaren, or Ferrari would. I think the Lotus pilots could come darn close. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Well, well, I had a hunch that Jenson Button was gonna get dragged into this thread, even though he has no place in a thread about overtaking, and that it was going to be you! Surprise, surprise! I'm sure you make Jenson Button and all his sane fans very proud. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Hmm, do you realize that your boy got completely destroyed on pace by Hamilton this weekend? Button couldn't even make it to Q3 and qualified 12th while Hamilton with the SAME CAR qualified 5th, and was running 4th until the gearbox decided to go kaput. Be glad Lewis' Mclaren failed or it would have added much more to what was an already humiliating weekend for Button. :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I agree. I think their biggest problem is the people in-charge of management. Stupid comments from Helmut Marko like "Webber should remember where he was 3 years ago" etc. should not be said when they're managing two volatile personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
The way Martin Whitmarsh is behaving right now IMO is the perfect way to manage a Formula 1 team and their two drivers.
If Hamilton was in that Red Bull he would have been this and the next year's champion by now.
if markabilly's sister had balls she'd be his husband :dozey:
Seb is a better driver than Lewis in every way.
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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Short answer:"NO!"
B U L L S H ! T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Whats humiliating about scoring points? You always write in emotional terms - you would be better served if you discovered reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Secondly - you may gave noticed that it was Jenson first who led the championship, they both have two wins - Jense's particularly cerebral - and are a handful points apart in the championship list.
But then when has reality ever swayed your "feelings".
Jenson Rocks! And next weekend he will once again do the London Triathlon while the challenge of that issued by Hamilton remains [cowardly so] avoided.
In the RBR with the current management - Jense would have once again run away with the title with win after win in such a dominant car - he proved THAT. Not Lewis, he REQUIRES significant guidance from nanny and he would likely have done NO BETTER than Vettel up to this point.
Says the epitome of contradiction and heavily biased man-love for a certain driver. You do realize that if Hamilton's gearbox hadn't failed, he would have scored points in 4th, while Jenson would have finished 9th, right? As has been the case in almost all dry races this season, where Jenson has been thoroughly outclassed by Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Also, since you're such a prostitute for the points table, Lewis is ahead of Jenson in points, and this is keeping in mind two mechanical failures for Lewis versus one for Jenson. So, I guess there's no rocket science in who's outperforming whom.
The two "wins" were both in changing conditions where Jenson took advantage of a clever strategy. Nothing to take away from him, he is a decent driver, but the fact remains that he is yet to beat Lewis on raw pace alone in dry conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I'm sorry but WTF does Triathlon have to do with F1? Jenson can win the Olympics, but he'll still get his a$$ handed to him by Lewis in F1, and that's an undeniable fact so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
You do realize that Lewis came close to winning the championship in his rookie year against a two-time champion teammate, beating him by using his setups, AND against a very strong Ferrari with Kimi and Felipe. Also, he did it the next year thoroughly outclassing his teammate in the same car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
WHILE Jenson has had to wait for 9 years, until he got the ABSOLUTE fastest car by a mile, with supreme aerodynamics and arguably the most efficient double diffuser in 2009, and even then was outclassed by Rubens in the second half of the year. Also, his now characteristically poor qualifying performance in the second half of the year is showing up in 2010 as well.
In fact, midway through the season at the German GP, Brawn had to sabotage Rubens' race to get Jenson more points. So, even after having the best car in 2009, he barely was able to defend his first half points haul, and won the championship in the penultimate race (Brazilian GP 2009). That can HARDLY be called "dominance". :rolleyes:
I don't think Lewis would have made the pass either, nor would have any of the top drivers under their current circumstances. I actually think Vettel would have tried harder if not for realizing that he has wasted a lot of points this season not thinking about the entire season. Combined with it being Alonso to pass, that's just opening the door to another race with no points scored.
I do think Lewis is among the best overtakers in the current field, but without better conditions it would have been a really hard move and probably very risky.
What I want to know is if Webber could have made the move. With the pace he had I think he might have been one of the drivers that could have pulled it off on that day.
Hamilton is not averse to risk that most of the drivers would avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I watched him in GP2 and in Hungary where he won from the back.
I also watched him trying to beat Vettel out of pitlane two abreast - where was they screaming and the shouting then?
SILENCE. Hypocrysy at work - a double standard.
Lewis, is every bit as ruthless as Senna and Schumi. In time it will out!
Are you kidding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I don't think so - as Alonso put it, you can have a bad lap around the Hungaroring and get the final corner right, and you won't get passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Nothing wrong with Lewis, even in a superior car as RBR could he beat the mighty Alonso
The poor cars is suffering and Jenson is complaining, I like it, it fast down the straights.
As the other thread is closed, may I take this opportunity to ask you - for the 5th time - to explain why you feel that avoiding taking part in a triathlon for fear of injury is "cowardly", but Adrian Newey racing in the Ginetta series is "idiocy"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I'm sure there's a good reason for your seemingly contrary stance.
Because it suits his ridiculous views.......
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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
doubt it. Vettel is a better driver anyhow
Firstly I did not say that it was cowardly not to participate - I said that offering Jenson a challenge, as Lewis did, then backing out and using his father to do so was the cowardly act. One does not offer a challenge then run away from it at second thought, making it worse by asking someone else to do it - that is the domain of the coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Have you ever taken part in a sports event? I do bi-athlons - running and swimming because I do not enjoy cycling. I have done this since my military service in Israel.
An injury sustained from a sporting event that is well organized is usually very mild and will heal quickly especially whem someone is exceptionally fit.
At no time is this life threateniing or permamnent.
But the issue as I mentioned before is not only that. It is when a driver or a vital asset such as Newey - who is not replaceable [there are more drivers] - indulges in one of the most dangerous forms of motor racing - that of non-professional club racing - when the team is in line to win the championship, that it is irresponsible at best.
Off season or when the championship is not possible - then do it if you must - but as we saw with Webber and in the past such as with the late wonderful Patrick Depailler, it has significant potential to compromise a season or even destroy a career.
So if I put myself in the place of Mateschitz, and know how drivers when close to the championship have even described how they avoid even walking up or down stairs if they can in case they twist an ankle, I would not want and prefer someone that is as vital as Newey not be involved in racing crashes. To me that is both logical and rational.
Jenson takes part in the triathlon and did so in his championship winning year because he had given his word before he knew he would be in line to win the title and a wonderful charity depends on his participation. Had he been injured - and he finished second last year - it is forgiveable.
Jenson is the type of driver that is not a coward by character and is a toughie - he considers the neck rests that drivers use when they drive circuits such as Suzuka to be "sissy pads" and will never use one.
This is my explanation to you.
In motor racing these days, there is so much money involved depending on a driver's results and the sustainability of someone like Newey that the care-free romantic days gone by cannot return.
It is no different to corporate assets that today no longer are long business lunches with bad food to eat allowed. Executives and key people have included in their contracts that they will go to gym and keep their vital signs in as good order as possible.
Racing is also a business and these matters are as important.
How is that a valid conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Z926A12
Alonso has won two championships consecutively and does not have an RB6 yet is not too far away from Vettel.
In addition, El Nano does not make the same sort of errors usually as does Vettel and he has beaten Schumacher in straight fights albeit that he does not have teh same awareness on the track as Schumi - remember Monte Carlo 2010 :D
Did the media carry on as they have with Schumi?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Did ex-drivers and people from f1 attack as they did Schumi?
No.
When it come sto Schumacher there IS a double standard - he is held to a level unfairly and Rubens is a cry-baby.
Thank you for finally answering my question. I shall say no more on the subject, I feel that your words speak for themselves.
:D You are welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Did you get the same bit of vomit come up in your throat that I did? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman