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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Look back over this thread, you're a lone voice. Even Ferrari fans are ashamed of their team's actions today.
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Look back over this thread, you're a lone voice. Even Ferrari fans are ashamed of their team's actions today.
Maybe but still true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Please don't count me as a Ferrari fan, I only support Felipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Ha! Nothing will come of this, I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari have the right sponsors but the
logo neens to be brown
Fair play, and my apologies. Can't say I blame you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
what a joke, pretty boring race until ferrari managment comes along.....
I do not agree at all with this rule, think it stupid, but the RULE SAYS WHAT IT SAYS.
The only way this violation would have been clearer is this:
"err, Mr. Massa, we have a problem as Rule 39.1 says team orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited, so we are not saying this is a team order, but Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message and what we really mean by that code?"
and after the pass:
"sorry"
(oops they really did say sorry after massa understood the code)
Even funnier is earlier in the race Smedley told him that "we can win"
So bottom line, either the rule means what is says and penalties MUST follow or the rule is a total joke and should be abolished
(Indeed the only difference between this and Singapore, is that Massa was not told to crash and affect everyone's race, so maybe the rule has some merit after all)
Alonso wins the title I'm sure all the disgruntled Ferrari fans will forget about this pretty quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Besides, I'm the only Ferrari in this thread. Ioan gave up his membership months ago.
Ban Ferrari from the results,for this race and also for the next3 races TOO,
That was against all the rules of the sport
The rules are clear NO TEAM ORDERS!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ioan
Agreed !Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
I hope the FIA investigates and disqualifies both Alonso and Ferrari. Do the idiots running Ferrari not learn from Austria and another Brazilian #2 driver who indured the same circumstance.
I really hope they all get DQ'd just to see Luca cry on camera.
Yer Christian Horner saying on BBC it was blatant team orders. He is sending a message that Red Bull could get the win.
Alonso claims in the press conference that he doesn't know what happened to Massa, and Massa is not saying anything to say it was his mistake or anything, just "i don't need to say anything" and "he passed me"
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...ry-for-alonso/Quote:
There was not a hint of applause in the FIA Media Centre in Germany when Fernando Alonso crossed the finish line to “win” the German Grand Prix.
When the Ferrari press officer arrived in the Media Centre he went straight on to the defensive, without anyone even suggesting that the whole thing was a farce. That said it all. If Alonso was faster he could have proved it by overtaking Massa. Instead he whined on the radio (as usual) and in the end Massa was “convinced” to let him move ahead.
Gawd bless Massa, he really does know the meaning of "taking one for the team", doesn't he? They should paint "welcome" on his forehead, so that everybody knows he's a doormat.
Same old Ferrari, sad for massa, tipical old school Ferrari enough said IMO
The switch was clearly against the rules. Ferrari undoubtedly deserved a 1-2 today but they managed to spoil what should be a great night of celebration with them ordering Massa to let Alonso passed. Lets see what the FIA make of this.
Smedley clearly didn't agree hece the lack of veil with his message, since then someone has clearly had a quiet word and he's gone all team line. Alonso claiming he didn't know what happened is laughable, even less likely that he didn't know about Singapore!
Massa will not be seen near the front of a race this year, given he will now have zero confidence, something he requires to be at the front
massa's words in the press conference are telling
if the FIA don't investigate this then they loose all credibility.
because I tell you if it was mclaren, they would have already issued an investigation notice and alter on today banned both drivers for the next race and stripped them of points.
This to me is what needs to happen because they clearly broke the rules. It is not even a gray area matter but a straight up breaking of the rules. So we will wait and see if the fIA are going to live by their rules or loose all credibility
Yes I can't wait either since the man who is now the FIA President was involved in the previous controversy which led to the team order ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
The stewards have come in for their fair share of crtiticism this year - now's the time to redeem themselves. Blatant cheating requires a firm hand and Ferrari should be hit where it hurts - strip them of all points just as they stripped us of the race we fans pay to watch.
Susy's just reminded me who it was moaning about "munipulated races" a few weeks ago... :erm:
It's worse than that. Ferrari will make sure his car is nowhere as close to performance as Alonso. Close but not close enough in pace. I am really really hoping for a Ferrari DQ !Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
and watching it again on the replay it is even worse. all the fIA need is the communication, and the telemetry and it should be a no brainer to penalize ferrari
I think the press conference was very telling, it didn't show Ferrari and one of their drivers in a good light.
Alonso saying something along the lines of "I saw Massa have a problem at the hairpin and struggle to get out of the corner and I took advantage as you don't get many chances to pass in F1".
Who does he think he is, believing we are dumb enough to buy that. Insulting
smedley is a decent chap but his post race comments make no sense, why have they not been called into the office?
How true.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
Alonso is a piece of something stinky that people shouldn't touch, not even with a very long stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Back in 2005 I supported Kimi for the WDC and there was a good reason to it.
A few weeks ago I'd have said that Teflon boy always escapes punishment, but hopefully now things have changed and he'll be stripped of this result, and Ferrari DQd.
Don't even bother Dave, the guy is a disgrace and McLaren did the right thing when they send him packing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Nothing will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Today is the day when we will be sorry that Max Mosley left last season, cause he would have rattled the boat over what happened today, no question about this.
Absolutely, the rule could not be more clearly written.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Article 39:1 clearly states "Team Orders which interfere with a race result are prohibited"
What Ferrari did was in clear violation of that rule.
In all this though, we forget that there was a victim in all this, Felipe Massa. He led close to 50 laps and deserved the win today, I cant imagine what he must be like at the moment.
What happens if you have put money on Massa to win? Especially as team orders are banned, or are they?
Disgusting, Rob. Grow some balls.Quote:
Rob Smedley, Race Engineer to Felipe Massa, does not expect German Grand Prix winner Fernando Alonso to be handed a penalty following Massa’s yielding to the Spaniard on Sunday.
However, following a radio message stating, ‘Fernando-is-faster-than-you ; can you confirm that message?’ the Brazilian slowed to allow the former double Champion past on Lap 48.
“I don’t expect any penalties whatsoever because Alonso was just faster and Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once,” Smedley told Germany’s Sky Sports after the race.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...lonso-penalty/
true, but it will now take a formal protest by someone as I have seen nothing where it says race result is provisional and the stewards are investigating the race resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
anyone have any info on that?
(funny is how ferrari seems to be acting as though there already is an investigation)
Where's Garry Walker? I can't wait for that foo' to drop a nuclear bomb on this joint.
Ha, I was going to put a bet on Massa and didn't, as I knew Ferrari wouldn't let him win. Didn't think it would be this blatant though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
very insulting. We are not idiotsQuote:
Originally Posted by aki13
the only thing massa was struggling was, was coming to grips with what he was hearing over his radio, he basically pulled over and let mr.crybaby through.
Wow! Rob expects fans to buy that crap?Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
“I don’t expect any penalties whatsoever because Alonso was just faster and Massa made a small mistake when shifting up three gears at once.”
:rolleyes:
There doesnt always need to be a protest, the FIA can investigate this on their own accord like they do with on-track incidents like...well...Alonso cutting the chicane to pass Kubica 2 weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Oh and as I noticed up on the thread, im reminded of Alonso's "this race is manipulated" moan over the radio just 4 weeks ago in Valencia, I sense a bit of hypocrisy.
Question.
If the rule wasn't bought in to ban team orders a while ago, would the reaction be different.
Don't get me wrong I am really disappointed with the way things happened, but I would just like to know.