Oh I fully agree with you. I voted that he should stay on, IMO as a sort of Patrese to Nico's Mansell if Merc manage to get their acts together next year and produce a world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
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Oh I fully agree with you. I voted that he should stay on, IMO as a sort of Patrese to Nico's Mansell if Merc manage to get their acts together next year and produce a world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Why would anyone want to see a somebody become a nobody?Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
He's the most successful driver in F1 history, he'll always be a somebody. I'm sure Merc has done their research as to how his performance will affect profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
heh, I am looking pretty retarded with that thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by harsha
As a Schumacher fan, his performances have mostly been dissapointing to me. The desire is obviously there, but age seems to have caught up with him too. That said, I hope he gives it another go next year. Obviously, he should and must do better than this season.
Getting outqualifed by Rosberg 2:8 is not acceptable, Rosberg is not that great of a driver.
I think that's harsh on Nico. Even if a bit of luck has come his way, he's still had to put himself in the position to take advantage of it. I think he's done that extremely well in, as Sonic said, a car that's at best the 3rd fastest. 4th fastest at many races.Quote:
Originally Posted by i_max2k2
I predicted Nico would beat Schumacher as he was not that special when he retired the first time. He's a bit of a whipping boy for the grid at the moment but as long as he doesn't take out his frustration on track, then it's not a problem.
Time isn't going to cure Schumacher because his time in F1 has finished.
Being a Ferrari fan, Michael will always be in my heart but, I voted yes because I don't want more humiliations for him...
I think Michael enjoys a challenge, after all those years of Ferrari being the de-facto #1 car and refuelling strategies and the TC V10's suiting his driving style so well. I recall when the V8's came about there were alot of complaints from drivers, but Schumacher said he "loved the way they drove" even though his results weren't as good.
When you've won it all and usually from P1 on the grid driving away from the field, perhaps he just wants to enjoy fighting for spots like he did in the wet in China.
The only really odd thing is that he's sticking to his multiple-stops strategies when they clearly don't work...stay out of the pits Michael, this isn't France during the refuelling era. Kobayashi looked like a strategical genius compared to Schumacher in Valencia.
Heīs a yoke.
At some point he will realise that himself.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Schumi has been in every situation under the sun. How quickly people forget.
He entered f1 with a good team and won then looked around for a new challenge.
He went to Ferrari at a time when they were in the doldrums. The first time he drove one of the Berger - Alesi cars he was TWO seconds around the Maranello development-test track quicker.
Show of hands!? How many remember the stress and the trouble and the strife from the Italian press and the tifosi - and Schumi put onhimself when from 1996 to around 1998 I think - there were calls for Todt to be thrown out and questions being asked if even Schumi was actually worth it!
There were other drivers being mentioned as replacements too.
So now we have the current situation. No testing allowed, Schumi stopped racing just as the control tyres were implemented and after three years he returned to a completely different era.
Just look how SMALL tweaks in the regs from 2009 to 2010 have allowed Webber to compete on more equal terms with one of the two quickest drivers in F1, Vettel!
So to criticize or rubbush Schumi is totally to misunderstand or worse, the current situation.
These things take time - give him his time. I remember HOW MANY seasons when even people in racing rubbished Jenson until he was given a decent car.
Schumi is the best development driver in racing EVER. He wil find his "firing solution". And if it looks as if he wil not succeed he will be the first to say so and leave.
Schmacher has not returned - and he has not been signed by Mercedes - to make up numbers or to merely "enjoy himself and have fun".
Schumi had returned to win and he is as determined and serious about it now as he ever was.
It would be totally dishonest and without integrity if this were not the case and the grest driver is not like that at all.
At least I thought that the people on this board would understand where he is and what is going on right now.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
You can roll your eyes all you want to, but you cannot refute what I say :D :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
I really think, down the season, he'll be deciding wdc's fate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I'm not one to normally agree with what Mr Saints posts, but most of what he posted in his last post is true. I don't know why you have to roll your eyes at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
amiman, I do not accept your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by amiman
Give any one of the top drivers a car that can get results and they will do it, Schumacher made it to the top in F1 with the connivance of Brawn at Benetton.
Benetton's use of illegal traction control was a disgrace.
Schumacher then continued his blatant cheating at Ferrari with Brawn and Todt as his enablers.
Todt, as Ferrari team principal used his position to felicitate the use of the Ferrari veto, and boy did he do so!!!!
The problem with those that eulogize Schumacher is they follow the herd instinct, they whish to associate themselves with a perceived winner, they care not that their hero is a cheat and a fraud.
Yes Schumacher was a very good driver in all forms of motorsport, but by no means was his ability any better than most of the F1 drivers, for my part I hope Rosberg continues to be in the ascendance.
Regards scaliwag.
Phew!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by scaliwag
You argue some very valid points but I don't think it's fair to Demonize Schumacher. I think that all teams seek to manipulate rules to their benefit but Ferrari and Bennetton were just more efficient. I do think it fair to castigate the FIA and Mad Max for the deliberate slanting of the governing body to favour one team. For years it was denied but at least it's starting to come out in the open and that sorry era has hopefully passed for good.
As for Schumacher, he was just more ruthless on the track. Deliberatly punting people off was disgraceful but he won one championship out of two doing it where he wouldn't have won either, so as long as drivers are allowed to behave like this, the more ruthless will. Many people hold Senna in high regard but he did the same.
Schumacher was the best driver of his era but that era passed a couple of year before he retired. I think he should never have come back but perhaps these days there is elements within F1 that will allow people to race in top teams for gimmick reasons rather than on merit. I see excuses like "he may be slow but he's good for marketing" or " leave him alone, he's only having fun" and feel quite sick. This isn't a friendly little fun run to the coast. This is the pinnacle of Motor Sport and he has just as much right still driving as JYS or Sir Moss if "having a bit of a laugh" is the criteria.
MS cheating with TC led to his 7 championships. Perhaps not all of them but many of them. The reality is that he is a very good driver but not the best ever as his record indicates. Senna - prost- and others would beat him handily. i hope he stays around til JV gets back and while JV may not have the equip to compete at the top you will get to see the driving ability of both.
Maybe you can prove your allegations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
No?!
What a surprise! Not! :rolleyes:
Perhaps I should have clarified my post in which I stated that Schumacher should not retire and might be having some fun...Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
What I was getting at was the whole notion of the preseason expectations placed upon him to be right up front, right away. When that didn't happen, many assumed that Schumacher was either a failure or would be unhappy with his comeback, despite claims to the contrary made by the man himself.
I believe Schumacher fully understood that the season could very well play out as it has for him, and that a single season would not equate another WDC. Schumacher now has a car/team to help develop towards success, and in the meantime seems to be having some fun getting in race battles. I believe he will be unhappy if race wins do not eventually come, but for the time being he still has hope for future success.
yea and OJ didn't kill NicoleQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
we have been through and through this for many years - do you have
memory problems??
I voted no because I didnīt think enough. He should stay. The manīs here to correct the statics. Let the man clear the air a bit. So many where fooled to believe heīs the best ever... well not really... not even close actually
if jordan laced up his boots today would he be as good as in his prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
if Zidane were to start playing today, would he be as god as in his prime?
MSC is 41, enjoying life as an F1 driver and still in the process of re-establishing himself. Yes he is past his prime but that does not take away from his accomplishments and yet he is still in the top 10 as we speak. Hardly a reason to quit when clearly 6 cars are faster than yours, and your car is on par with the renaults, force india's and williams. So all things considered. I am ok where he is right now and nothing in his 2nd career takes away from his legendary status.
I expected Rosberg to have the upper hand anyway and had already said a while back that I thought by the end of the year they would be about equal with probably 1 win a piece. We will see about the wins, but lets asses things in November
Yes & No :)
Michael should quit because he is regularly getting beaten by his young team mate and he hasnt got that edge to fight with the front running youngsters even he wants to but his body and mind is slower than his ambition on his comeback...
Michael shouldnt quit because F1 has probbaly attracted loads of fans because Michael Schumacher, the importance of Michael being there is great in a way for the F1 bandwagen to do lots of show off about him and attract new sponsors fans media attention to F1, bernie did this with a reason and afterall at each races there is some sweet expectations of wheel to wheel racings dramas while having few champs in the grid is always good.
i am 50/50 here lol
What a surprise, you can't prove your allegations. What now?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
What a load...
You still believe Alonso is the greatest, don't you! :rotflmao:
Who the best ever is a very personal idea - but you really dont believe that he is "not even close"? Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
I really urge you to read about him. It was not easy for him to get to f1 and, the amount of application and dedication and determination to do what he did FOR YEARS is staggering.
It was not accidental or "lucky". It was the application of logic and reason directed by a very highly skilled driving ability.
What do the truly great drivers have in common? 99% of other drivers that drive THEIR cars, declare the vehicle undriveable. That is their ability.
People may disagree whether Schumi or Fangio or Clark or Prost or Senna - perhaps there about ten of them, are the GREATEST, but they ALL belong in that group.
When is mr great going to start beating rosberg ioan?
YES.
I love him and all he's done for the prancing horse, but yes.
I don't know what Alonso has to do with this. I don't think he's the greatest. I believe there's no way one could say who's the greatest ever. That's just a stupid thing fanboys would say about their idols. Please stop with these ridiculous reactions and this my boy against your boy attitude. I've told you more than once that I don't share your passion for any driverQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
yes, i do. we've seen last year that a mediocre driver (don't take it personally) can win a wdc in a dominant car. The cars MS drove made him look much better than he actually was... remember those people saying that he could win in a Minardi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I've heard that said about Schumacher (Berger & Alesi being noteable examples), but who else? I don't recall it being said about Fangio, Clark, Prost or Senna.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Still avoiding the proof question I see. Empty barrels make the most...Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Interesting point. What makes a good driver?Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Button proved last year that he could drive a good car to be WDC. He certainly didn't have the best car all year but the Brawn was superior for the first 4 or 5 races. Perhaps not to the extent that the Red Bull is this year but it had an advantage over the rest of the field.
To win the Championship, he first had to beat his team mate who is considered a good driver and one that on occassions bested Schumacher in his prime.
Now we have Button against Hamilton and we see that although he may not have the out and out raw pace of Hamilton (and we need to consider he has started in a brand new car where Lewis has had years to get used to the McLaren), his guile and race craft, couples with his exquisite control and strategy in the wet, means he is a small step from leading the world championship from his team mate.
I'm not some fanboy of Jensons although I have supported him for years but judge him on his results. For a mediocre driver, he's not doing too bad is the 2nd fastest car out there (at best).
Then compare his performance with a Mr Schumacher who recently claimed the Mercedes is the 3rd fastest car (argueable but Rosberg is getting results I suppose) and you really must admit that being mediocre is much better than being considered the best driver of all time (yada, yada) as far as results go.
with mercedes owning 40 % of mclaren will mercedes be allowed to transferred any of the parts to next year's mercedes car ?
JB is a good driver but there are quite a few that seem to be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by skc
Maybe I'm wrong but IMO JB stands no chance against LH. You call it strategy I call it gamble. I think JB was given enough credit for those races. It's time to start beating his team mate in normal conditions too.
Been there done that - The Schumi Idols have their heads so far up his ass they can't read.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
you can try google however!!
I will wait and see when he starts beating Rosberg regularly, he already beat him this season in a few races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Just be patient.
No offense but you obviously don't know what 'idol' means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Another load...Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
There is always a way to do everything, you just have to try hard enough.
Or maybe you prefer believing that there is no way, given that the only objective way are the numbers and the result is not to your liking?!