Vettel = Mr Nice Guy?

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13th July 2010, 16:29
wedge

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

Actually intention is quite clearly implied, but also very clearly ment as a joke. Its a very English sort of humour, something Vettell has caught onto quickly.

He loves British comedies
13th July 2010, 18:02
AndyL

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

For those who may not be aware, POM is used here in Oz as a term of endearment. :p :

Or at least that's what you tell us poms :)
13th July 2010, 19:01
Daniel

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Originally Posted by henners88

Exactly, I felt the way he smiled implyed an element of dry sarcasm with his tongue firmly in his cheek. To me it was subtle, but to many they are as confused as a cluster of voles in a brown paper bag.. ;)
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/co...8239AD5CEF.jpg
:)

Sarcasm is all fine and well if he actually said that he thought Lewis hit him on purpose but he didn't.... so.
14th July 2010, 00:59
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think my use of smiley face at the end of that sentence indicated that I was joking. I think Valve took it like that, and I hope he took it like that. Afterall Brits are usually called Poms in times of banter and jest, and I challenge you to find a single person who is offended by that word.. :)

A good example St.D of a first place driver not winning is Spa 2008. A duel of a race and a great drive, altered and awarded hours later. I would put Hamilton's performance at Spa as equal with his win at Silverstone, and Monaco of that year. I shouldn't imagine Felipe has that trophy anywhere near the front of his cabinet.. :p

I was pleased for Webber on Sunday and although I would have preferred a British winner, I also would have liked to see that achieved by driver skill alone rather than misfortune of the lead driver. I've said it before if either Lewis or Jenson fail to clinch the WDC this season then I hope the person who does it is Mark Webber. :D

Many a true word spoken in jest.......

I understand what you did in your post. Figuring out your what you are conveying in your messages is not always blatantly obvious - to me at least :eek:
14th July 2010, 01:03
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by wedge

He loves British comedies

Then no doubt dear Vettel must have thought he was caught up in a Monty Python-like embrace when the chequered flag was waved on Sunday afternoon.

Probably: "And Now For Something Completely Different".
14th July 2010, 01:07
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yep, he implyed.. not going there. :p
There was definately contact but it was very light but enough to cause a puncture. Vettel took Copse as he would if nobody was up the inside and basically steered into the side of Lewis's front wing. A minor racing incident really and something Lewis may have forgotten about in his post race interview. He may also not have realised at that point that it was his contact which screwed up Vettel's race as Seb himself had to be told after the race about the contact.

These front wings do appear to be pretty sharp and have caused a fair few punctures this season. The side skirts also seem to have this affect, for example when Massa and Alonso touched each other going through Maggots and Becketts and Felipe ended up with a shreaded rear tyre. :)

A driver being coy? No.

I'd say that it was his bad driving over the kerb that punctured a tyre - it was after all only the second time he went off that the car destablized.

Whatever the case, Vettel was his own undoing from the lights on Sunday.
14th July 2010, 11:38
Saint Devote

So Vettel believes that Webber should not have gone public and Nick Fry from Mercedes weighing in reckons the drivers have to realize that drivers are not in charge.

If Mark said nothing publicly then exctly who would have LOOKED like a number 2 driver and who who have been tabled as the number 1? And it would have seemed that Webber had acquiesed.

Behind that facade Vettel is no different to Bernie - his close confidente and de facto manager - and Webber must always go public because certainly the team management is not there for him while the fans ARE.

Nick Fry is joking surely? Has he not heard of MICHAEL SCHUMACHER and that little issue a few weeks ago where Mercedes altered the wheelbase despite Rosberg doing pretty well with it?
14th July 2010, 12:07
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

............whatever the case, Vettel didn't do himself any favours on Sunday. :)

And that is how championships are lost. Perhaps he ought to go have a chat with Jenson.
14th July 2010, 12:12
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by henners88

I can only apologise for my cryptic posts and will make sure in future I adopt a more intelligible approach. I suppose the perfect post is almost like a rule of thirds.

1. Strong opinion on subject.
2. Historical content, or quote from a driver of an era past.
3. Strong, slightly insulting ending.

I'll certainly take your advice onboard and if I can get the words "Lauda", or "Scheckter" in any of my writings, I'll be on to a winner. :)

Thats much better - now you're blatantly obvious :eek:
14th July 2010, 14:32
wedge

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Nick Fry is joking surely? Has he not heard of MICHAEL SCHUMACHER and that little issue a few weeks ago where Mercedes altered the wheelbase despite Rosberg doing pretty well with it?

Nothing to do with favouritism. The weight distribution was wrong.
14th July 2010, 15:45
Sonic

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Originally Posted by wedge

Nothing to do with favouritism. The weight distribution was wrong.

Indeed. Nico wanted the change just as much because whilst he could drive round the flaws better than old man time, he wanted a faster car. Period. He's still getting the better of him now and all credit to him.
14th July 2010, 18:16
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Indeed. Nico wanted the change just as much because whilst he could drive round the flaws better than old man time, he wanted a faster car. Period. He's still getting the better of him now and all credit to him.

Can you please stop ruining a good story? :p
14th July 2010, 22:41
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by ioan

It was bound to happen. He can't be nice forever while others keep being rude.

Vettel never was nice. He is in fact the fakest person in F1. This "nice guy" angle is taken seriously only by his most hardcore fanboys. The guy is a prick and his behaviour at Turkey and after was the best example of it.
15th July 2010, 01:08
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by wedge

Nothing to do with favouritism. The weight distribution was wrong.

Oh yeah?
And the current iteration has been a VASTLY improved "b" spec!

Looks like they are confused - well not Brittney.

It may not have been favoritism per se - but given Rosberg's performance, if Schumi had not been unhappy then there would have been no change.
15th July 2010, 01:14
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Indeed. Nico wanted the change just as much because whilst he could drive round the flaws better than old man time, he wanted a faster car. Period. He's still getting the better of him now and all credit to him.

Brittany went along with it - he had no other option anyway.

The deciding factor was Schumi because he prefers a longer wheelbase car which allows the car to become extremely "pointy" to the degree that historically other drivers would term it uncontrollable.

"Old man time"? You mean like the incompetent performances of Fisichella which led the biggest Italian sporting newspaper to lead with a criticism of him that made him blubber like a little girl?

Schumi has nothing to be embarassed about - its early days yet.
15th July 2010, 01:21
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Vettel never was nice. He is in fact the fakest person in F1. This "nice guy" angle is taken seriously only by his most hardcore fanboys. The guy is a prick and his behaviour at Turkey and after was the best example of it.

It depends how one defines "nice guy". If it is as an "after you Claude" then of course he is not.

Every single driver has to be single minded and wants the "unfair advantage" as the late Mark Donahue phrased it.

It takes time for teammates to finalize a relationship and that is why the team management is so vital. Prost-Lauda managed it themselves / Prost-Senna could not and Dennis totally did what Horner looks to be doing.

Its like any elite unit that acts on the edges, whether in the military or in sports. Relationships and good command - without that it will never work no matter how well or highly trained.
15th July 2010, 01:22
Mekola

I will respect if he agreeds to give Webber a chance to champ. Mark is veteran while Sebastian could grab the title in further seasons.
15th July 2010, 01:58
Saint Devote

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Originally Posted by Mekola

I will respect if he agreeds to give Webber a chance to champ. Mark is veteran while Sebastian could grab the title in further seasons.

That is a nice thought - problem is in motor racing a driver can go years without a competitive car as happened to Jenson.

So, a driver has to try and make full use of all opportunities.
15th July 2010, 10:12
Valve Bounce

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm in the minority on the Vettel good/bad guy debate as I think drivers should speak their minds once in a while. The same people who are condemning Webber for speaking out, are denying Vettel has done the same in a whirlwind of hypocrisy. We've had a few seasons now where people who have over analysed Lewis Hamilton's post race interviews to sculpt a stance that he's blaming his team or teammate, and yet of late we've had a handful of drivers who have been justifiably openly emotional and have escaped the same criticism.

Is Vettel a nice guy? None of us know because nobody other than those close have the experience of his true character. Is Vettel a highly competitive, and sometimes emotional racing driver who is selfish in his own ability in the desire to win? Yes, just like all the top drivers, but with each driver there comes a different type of fan, and we're always going to have debates like this as long as a person ignores the traits in all the other drivers who participate in this great sport.. :)

I think his looney gestures after the incident in Turkey when he deliberately steered his car at Webber speaks volumes for Vettel, more than anything he may have said. Basically, he is a treacherous duplicitous team mate, and I certainly would not like to have a colleague like that in my workplace.
15th July 2010, 14:18
wedge

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Brittany went along with it - he had no other option anyway.

The deciding factor was Schumi because he prefers a longer wheelbase car which allows the car to become extremely "pointy" to the degree that historically other drivers would term it uncontrollable.

The weight distribution was wrong because MGP miscalculated the fuel tank variable.

Longer wheelbase does not necessarily make a car pointy. What MGP have done was to alter the front suspension geometry to allow more weight at the front, which in turn altered the wheelbase.
15th July 2010, 20:11
Garry Walker

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Originally Posted by Mekola

I will respect if he agreeds to give Webber a chance to champ. Mark is veteran while Sebastian could grab the title in further seasons.

It does not work like that. F1 is not charity, no sport is. No athlete would ever do as you suggested Vettel do, no serious one anyway
Have you ever done any sports?
15th July 2010, 22:40
naitsabes

I like Sebastian Vettel the best, but I like all the drivers. I don't think anybody is any nicer or meaner than the others. They are all just human. Competition makes you hyper, so that is why sometimes I think they get really happy or really cranky.

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