Actually 22 , but how can I dare to contradict a moderator? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
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Actually 22 , but how can I dare to contradict a moderator? :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
You might say that about Senna, but not about Michael.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Frank Williams, Patrick Head, and Ron Dennis disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Juan lost interest in F1 your right. But while he was in F1 to say he wasn't willing to apply himself is completely untrue.
I'll believe the word of his 3 former employer's over a forum member :)
PS: Great quotes from rlennis on Montoya - Superb!
You just did :p : and you're spot on :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
this place is sure gonna be quiet without the pro and anti schumi,JV,JPM camps about
Yeah , baby , let's go !Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
That thing looks like a spaceship .
Whadaya think , should he bring it to NASCAR ? That thing could slip right underneath the COT .
[quote="pino"]Sorry Bagwan but I tought you still wanted to talk JV career in here, I should 've read your post more carefully. What I meant is exactly what Arrows posted :) [quote]
Pino , it's in my character that when someone builds a brick wall in front of me , I will climb it . This time , I got a chance to change the minds of the bricklayers .
I must say that I didn't like the tone of the thread from the outset , but I do like the fact that we could clear the air on the subject from the start . I appreciate that you guys work hard to keep this place sane .
Thanks .
To Jacques - Bye, and don't sing to much, thanks in advance.... :erm:
To Juan Pablo - You raced well when your mind was with you at the races, maybe the change will suit you, good luck. :\
To Michael - Good luck for whatever you pursue in the future, thanks for your contribution to F1, you had a big impact on the sport. :bigcry: ;)
Ahhh-haa, JV has a buyer for his music. Did you dislike it so much that you took it back for a refund? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fly_ac
EEEEeeeerrrr Nope, not in my lifetime will I do such a sin. :mad: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Heard some on a friends cellphone, needless to say we are not friends for the time being. :cheese:
Lost interest? As in "he could still have driven in a top team but didnt want to anymore"?Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
LOL. He´s clearly at home in Nascar, but his bold (read stupid) moves would never pay off in F1. And if its still unclear: he was kicked out by a faster teammate. He never recovered mentally for being slower, which he certainly wasnt used to earlier in his career.
explain kicked out? he was not offered any top seats? does that translate to kicked out of F1. As far as I remember he announce after the USGP that he was off to NASCAR. Has it ever occurred to you that he didn't want to turn out to be another DC and instead decided to go for a new challenge and be close to his family in America.
This has been talked about too much in this forum, so I wont go in there. I only reacted to the idea of JPM "losing his interest". If he had been offered a top drive, Im sure there would have been very much interest. But the top teams rated him and obviously not high enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by rlenis
That is correct. He said he would have stayed if he was offered a Renault of Ferrari seat but he didn't so he lost interest in running in a team fighting for 4th and 5th place. He lost interest being in the situation he was in so he decided to try something else.
Why are you saying BS that he was kicked out of F1 when you know he was the one who made the call first to quit instead of running for a mid-pack team?
Who would have want him? Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by rlenis
JPM recognised he was unlikely to get into a position where he could win a WDC, and there are probably few who would argue with that. They'll have different reasons (most of which have been discussed and argued over here at some point :p ) why, but most importantly JPM recognised the reality and did something about it.
He's won races pretty much everywhere he's gone, and proved himself in Europe and America. He's now proving himself once again, this time in NASCAR. That takes talent and ability.
The only thing it really takes are bumpers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Just kidding! :p :
Well, I didnt mean kicked out as in "being sacked". I meant the very same way you seem to think. He didnt proove to be quick enough and obviously wasnt interested in any other drives on the grid, so in that sense he was kicked out. I totally understand his reaction, he is not the kind of guy who would settle for a 2nd class career. He chose to leave and not stick around.Quote:
Originally Posted by rlenis
In a way thats more admirable. But it doesnt change the fact that JPM must feel his F1 career being a disappointment. At the end at least.
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Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
I don't think so, perhaps if his teammates had collected WDC in the process, maybe. But they didn't. The only thing he proved was that he was not as quick as Kimi, that is all. But then again are there many drivers out there who are?
got this from another forum member (fetzervalve) and now that we are mentioning Juan in this thread, here is some info that I was even not privy of:
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Here are the deets: (looks like 11 Championships and a few other gems in the crown)
1981-1984: Karting Colombian National Champion
1985: National Junior Kart Championship: 2nd
1986-1987: Komet Category: National Champion
1988: Komet Category: 2nd in National Championship
1989: Komet Category: champion
1990: Kart Junior World Championship
1991: Kart Junior World Championship
1992: Colombian Formula Renault: 8 races, 4 wins, 5 poles
1993: GTI National Championship Tournament: 8 races, 7 wins, 7 poles
1994: Sudan 125 karting: champion
Barber Saab series: 3rd, 2 wins, 2 poles
Mexican 'N' series: 5 races, 3 wins, 4 poles
1995: Formula Vauxhall, England: 3rd (Paul Stewart Racing)
Bogotá Six Hours: class winner
1996: F3, England: 5th, 2 wins, 1 pole (Fortec)
Marlboro Masters: 4th
Macau GP: ret
ITC: 16th, 1 race (Mercedes-Benz)
Bogotá Six Hours: winner
1997: F3000: 2nd, 37.5 points, 3 wins (RSM Marko)
1998: F3000: 1st, 65 points, 4 wins, 2 poles (Super Nova)
1999: CART: 1st & rookie of the year, 212 points, 7 wins, 7 poles (Ganassi)
2000: CART: 9th, 126 points, 3 wins, 7 poles (Ganassi)
IRL: raced and won the Indy 500 (Ganassi)
2001: Formula 1: 6th, 31 points, 1 win, 3 poles (Williams)
2002: Formula 1: 3rd, 50 points, 0 wins, 7 poles (Williams)
2003: Formula 1: 3rd, 82 points, 2 wins, 1 pole (Williams)
2004: Formula 1: 5th, 58 points, 1 win, 0 poles (Williams)
2005: Formula 1: 4th, 60 points, 3 wins, 2 poles (McLaren)
2006: Formula 1: 8th, 26 points, 0 wins, 0 poles (McLaren)
2007: Rolex 24 at Daytona Daytona Prototype class winner and overall winner
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and the list will continue . . . . . :s mokin:
yeah... get real Pino. dreams are like rainbows, only fools chase them. How do you plan stopping Ioan talking about MS????Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
let him explain how Massa won because MS taught him how to do it, or how any ferrari win from now on will carry somehow MS' great contribution, or how Alons won only because MS retired and so on...
This should obvious by now to everyone. I got it finally.
Schumacher was the best driver every without a doubt. F1 will miss him, I will miss him.
Villeneuve was an interesting character, very bitter at times but fun to have around. I think BMW was a bit unfair to him.
montoya - im very glad he isnt in f1 anymore.
Actually, it can be everything from between 18-22 depending on the customer car furore. Or actually to be precice, it can be everything between 1 and 22 :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Bernie's contract with the race organisers is that there'll be at least 16 cars on the grid. Of course, whether they all start is a different question (see Indy '05 :s )
Micheal you was the best in f1 history, f1 will miss you
JV good luck for le mans and your music career
JPM good luck in Nascar- I hope its not the last time in f1
JH
Oh get over it! I miss Jim Clark! Life goes on...wish more 'old' drivers would push off...so many excellent young guys waiting in the wings for their chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
These teams that play it safe rehiring the 'has beens' deprive us, and potential new talent.
Adios, amigos ... long live the 3 amigos.
:s mokin:
Calm down dear :p One of the best "new talents" now has a race seat, not before time, and hopefully good things will follow ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Schnell
Yes, good-bye to all three.
I won't miss any of them, it has to be said. :)
Couldn't agree more. Onwards and upwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schnell
interesting - what determines too old???
Schm was still up there as was JV and JPM.
I think the problem with f1 is not enough seats vs too old of drivers.
The kids should be given the opportunity to knock them off. Now with
the exception of Blockhead (DC) it is just kid against moderates (no WDC's )
That is the problem, isn't it? Even when looking at an obvious talent like Hamilton, Ron Dennis was hunting for an old hag to fill the seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schnell
With the lower level of physical danger and the money, drivers have tended to hang on well past when there was any reason. Jackie Stewart bowed out after 9 years in F1 because he didn't want to die in a race car. Drivers like JV have lacked that cold, hard element influencing their decisions. JV last actually accomplished something in 1997, and spent longer trudging in mediocrity than Stewart's whole career. Likewise, drivers like Coulthard, Trulli and Ralf Schumacher seem to be hanging on for the pension checks, as any realistic shot at being champion has passed.
ClarkFan
P.S. I miss Jim Clark, too....... :(
my understanding is that Fangio raced into his 50's. I feel the determining factor is not when you become cautious but when your balls recede.
All three will be missed, but MS the least. He was boring. JV and JPM had fire and were entertaining on and off the track. MS was right down boring.....
On to the new and upcoming drivers
I did hear plenty of things about MS from the haters, but boring is the lamest one you came up with!Quote:
Originally Posted by 93VTEC
Less than a week to go and I decided to put another comment here. As I said I don't miss anyone (even if Trulli retires one day for good, I wouldn't take it dramatically) - time goes by and everything has to change - it's pleasure to see new guys trying to prove themselves. But I also think much of experienced drivers, who haven't given up and are still trying...
M. Schumacher - There has been so much discussion about him that I even don't bother myself to write and discuss about him. :p : He already looks like 'history'. I remember 1999, when he was injured - then I really felt that something important was missing from Grand Prix racing, but I don't feel that at the moment. I don't like making driver comparisons from different eras, so I say just that he is among the greatest of all times. I think it's time to stop quarrels about him whether he was cheater or not or whatever. Senna is gone and we all (or most of us) admire him for what he has given for the sport. In Michael's case let's also shake hands and make peace - you like him or not, but in some way he has been memorable to all of you.
Villeneuve - Although I don't like his personality, I usually supported him. Maybe there was/is something to do with the fact that he is a Canadian - nation, who has sent so few participators to F1. I'm afraid that after Jacques we might not see another Canadian for some ten years in F1. When I heard in 1997 that he had won the title ahead of Michael, I didn't make a big problem of that - "Well, happens," was a reaction. After that it was sad to see a champion and a good driver struggling that much. I was especially sad in 1999, when he was retiring endlessly and often from point positions. I have probably never cheered so much for him than in 1999. For me BAR/Honda team is/was also an interesting phenomenon that I usually didn't support the team (especially when Jordan had also the same engines - in that battle I was clearly cheering for the yellows :p : ), but I have supported their drivers except "bulldozer" Zonta.
Montoya - Another guy with 'doubtful' personality, but I have to admit that I liked him more in Williams than in McLaren. He suited better in Williams, he simply looked better there. I remember my thought from 2002: "He as a driver seems to be worth a driver's title, but alas he would start talking too much after that..." Or something like that. But in McLaren it seems that he got a bit frustrated by the fact that he couldn't fight with Kimi in the points rankings, which led into making driver errors.
Here's another one you might not have heard: he was fat! :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
(He just hid it very well.)
:p :
Depends on the point of view! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by studiose
i loved all three of them, and especially JV he was my first "favourite" driver, i didn't like JPM in the beginning, but he wore me down and i have missed him since the day he left Williams, and schuey, well of course i will miss him, i loved everything about him! Thanks to all three for the great memories :)
No need to post a link, I know where it is and I already posted there before. My point is that we had threads about AS and MH in here before when they were no more in F1, but this year we get the mod's message that the last 3 who departed are to be discussed just in the History forum and that we should look forward to the extraordinary new additions we get this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Why is that? Are you people scared you can't handle a thread about them anymore, so we relegate them to the part of the forum where there is little chance that people will ever read the threads? At least this was the impression I got after the famous thread started.