M.Gronholm wasn't long term strategy.. They had money to pay this high profile man for few more seasons so it's not the problem for them..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
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M.Gronholm wasn't long term strategy.. They had money to pay this high profile man for few more seasons so it's not the problem for them..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
JM-L was the long term strategy it's just not worked that well so far.
What Ford need is less competition - they have more chance of winning!
if the story is real then ford are able to get ogiers siganature at any cost,remember they lured mcrae from subaru when he was the king to a new untested focus.
Ogier would make a big mistake to accept any FORD proposal.
I don't believe he will accept anything else than drive a Citroën. Going to FORD now, after the once in a lifetime chance he has been given by Quesnel to drive a factory car for free, would be a career suicide.
Knowing french mentality he would NEVER be taken back into the team. If for some reason the Ford option doesn't work out he is finished. What if the Fiesta is crap ?
Too many uncertainties for him.
Wilson will be convinced by Jouhki to give more time to Latvala. I am sure there is more money where the rest came from.
I agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi
then he ll end up to be a one make champion like loeb,citroen.a true champion is the one winning in different cars to show his ability in all cars.
So a good driver should quit a good team to drive for a crap one just to prove that he's good? Tell Petter that driving for a crap team is good.
not as such only that any sportsman needs to try out different heights and face other challenges to see if can perfom much better,solberg cant talk of crap cars he has a latest c4 bt still not winning and who knows if the fiest :s mokin: a is crap car?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
So he should stack the odds against himself? Tbh that's a pretty dumb thing to do and I don't recall any drivers moving to an inferior team on purpose just to prove something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
It's good to see that Malcolm finaly (maybe he was the last one in the globe) realised the limits of his current "A" team boys and started to think about to bring new guys in the team as PG and now Ogier (even the chanche to have the little Seb it's low).
Will be interesting to see who will be the next target after Ogier say no.
Gerrard Quinn interview on totalrally radio tonight said that Ford have (today) made a formal offer to Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by amilk
He did also admit that Ford are talking to others. Looks like the 4 Fiesta 1.6T would be driven by "drivers" not necessarily pay as you go rallyists. Colin Clark suggested if Ogier isnt at Ford, that the line up could be MH, JML, PG and Petter. Quinn did not dismiss this suggestion.
Just listened to the Gerard Quinn interview on TotalRally Podcast interesting stuff, don't know if it would actually happen though, Potentially one of the best moves for the sport in my opinion though. the clip is about 23mins in feed://www.totalrally.com/podcast/trpodcast.xml
Ok, I said new long-term strategies it's not really the old long-term strategy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
The current rumours of moves is the best news in a long time.
Ford and Citroen is gonna play on equal terms next year. Both with new cars. The difference will be a stronger line up at Ford, which will match Citroens Loeb and Sordo and maybe Kimi + one more driver.
Remember for Ogier it is better to get a paycheck every month from Ford, than just have a free car, even if it´s named Citroen.
Must be a good pay check.. C.McRae went to Citroen for 7 mill. GBP..
Carlos Sainz went to Lancia for 1993 when team ceased to be a works team. Not to prove anything, just bad timing from his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I still liked Jolly Club..
better for a crap ford but being paid than a free citroen drive with nothing but praises,what do you do when the free drive is no more and ur nearing end of your career?
Always better for winners and money will come..
Surely....Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
And if Ogier leaves Citroen they can always get Meeke.
And how can we say it´s a crap Ford, when we dont know yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Red bull
So - again - as quoted, good to have a paycheck AND a Ford.
100% agreed
Anyway the decision will be known before Rally Finland, says WRC site.
hope it goes the ford way and we see the real battle of the sebs in different cars,it will be wrc at its best again.
Good to see my friend pass on the right info again!
Anyway, personally I think Ogier should move to Ford. From what we've seen so far, which in Citroen's case is very little, is that the Fiesta is a very competitive car. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Ford are far superior in 2011 and beyond - especially if they get drivers like Ogier and Petter into a manufacturer car. Ogier's chances in a Citroen will be very limited until Loeb retires - which could be one year but might be 3 or 4. Does Ogier want to wait that long before he is the 'main' and preferred driver?
Well judging by that WRC article Ford is keeping it's current drivers...so how is it a better move for Ogier? From one Jr team to....Stobart version 2? He won't be the 'main' driver at Ford either.
The Fiesta may be a good car but that's quite a risk to take.
Rather be number 2 at Ford than at Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Ford are rubbish. Malcolm couldn't organise an asskicking at the world asskicking conpetition. If Ogier moves to Ford he will never be a champion with them. This is typical Wilson behaviour though. Finns were dominant in the WRC so what does he do? Get some Finns..... A Frenchman is dominant so Malcolm gets a Frenchman.
Loeb won't stick around much longer tbh and Ogier is the heir apparent. If he stays he'll slot in nicely to the number 1 position.
I agree..
Guys! You forgot about one very important fact - Ogier made a first step! As Gerard Quinn said yesterday and Malcolm Wilson said today 'We were approached by his management team a while ago'.
As I understand Seb 2.0 start his own game :)
Very True Daniel. I agree.
Even if Ogier is intended to replace any of the Fins on the Ford team, I don't think Malcom would announce it before closing the deal with Ogier.
i think its in ogiers interest to cross over given that he cant be allowed to win any more rallies while loeb is still citroens no 1 which i dont think makes him happy although hes french,just look at his reactions when he is told to sweep roads for loeb to win while he could also win in his position.Jordan was a good example of those wicked team orders.
It says that the 2 Finns are under contract for 2011 with Ford. The question could be are they under contract with M-Sport or FORD ? If they are under contract with M-Sport, like Kresta was in 2005, one of the 2 Finns could easily be bumped in a non scoring car. I don't think Jouhki has forgotten to specify his Finns have to be the nominated drivers...unless there is performance clause for M-Sport, which would make sense too.
The other interesting thing is Ogier went to them, which is normal in my opinion. His manager (vatanen's son) is just probing around.
If Ogier wants to go to FORD, it is capital for him to be nominated driver, have a firm three year contract, at least 300.000Euro per year salary plus point and podium bonuses. The guy will have to take a lot of risk to beat the Citroëns so he needs to be paid accordingly. No more pay to drive bull**** talk there.
Olivier Quesnell says Citroen has presented an offer for him too, apparently the offer is for a seat in the official team for next year with Loeb, and I suspect the offer includes a salary too.
This is propably what Ogier counts on, about 2 weeks ago Sainz gave an interview, where he was very worried about Sordos future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
:p
by Olivier Quesnel.....
''This is the game, but Citroen is used to preparing the young driver and I think Ford should do the same - they have the young driver called Matthew Wilson - it would be better for rallying if they do the same."
Don't forget that one of the Finns was replaced in 2008 by F.Duval as a nominated driver..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaffi