Yes, but U.S. imports from all OPEC nations combined far exceeds those of Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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Yes, but U.S. imports from all OPEC nations combined far exceeds those of Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
These people that want to boycott BP products strike me as short sighted idiots. Someone is going to have to pay for cleaning up the mess. It's going to be us. The choices are, bankrupt BP through a boycott and have the government tax us more to clean it up, or, continue to purchase BP products and have BP pay for it out of their profits. Like I said, either way you're gonna pay but at least with BP you get a tank of gas out of the deal. With the government you'll get nothing except the bill to pay for all of them to fly around looking at oil.
If people really gave a cr@p about the environmental, they would ditch their cars and walk, thus not giving companies like BP a chance to cause environmental "disasters". People, like me, who drive cars, fly in planes, ride the bus etc have no right to complain about oil spills etc.
Ha! vehicle fuel is merely the tip of the iceberg. If you could stop the use of oil completely immediately, probably 2/3 rds of the world's population would be dead within a year. The very ones calling for the end of oil would probably be amongst the first to go. Petroleum is used as fuel for shipping, air transport, and agricultural equipment. Petroleum is used as a lubricant, used in most modern plastics, synthetic fabrics, various polymars and numerous chemical processes that produce modern materials.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I'm all for developing realistic alternative energy sources but right now oil provides a lot of bang for the buck. Imagine the effect on food production if you eliminate oil. We can also go back to sailing ships and hunting whales to use their oil for lubricants. It took chemists a long, long time to develop lubricants that worked as well as sperm whale oil.
OPEC isn't just the Middle East. It is Venezuela....and that would be with Mexico the two other major nations of imported oil to the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Supertankers leaving the Persian Gulf are more likely to go to Europe and Asia than cross the Atlantic. That is just the reality of it. Why ship oil from the Middle East AROUND Africa if they can pipe it south from Alberta or a short jaunt by tanker up from Venezuela?
Cleanliness isn't debatable it all. It IS CLEAN and it works. 80% of France's electricity comes from Nukes. It isn't as CHEAP as oil or gas and that is the fly in the ointment. With proper safety procedures and fail safes it is safer than oil and gas. You can put Chernobyl down to stupidity by the operators in a nation with no accountability (the USSR didn't worry about public oversight or safety standards) and 3 Mile Island was actually much ado about what "might have been". Those are the only two nuclear accidents of note in the age of nuclear power. How many people die in refinery accidents? How much damage to the envionment has the oil spill in the Gulf Caused?Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
No, for electricity, nuclear power may be our best option now that we have run out of good sites for hydro power. Tidal power is an option in some areas, and that should be explored, but wind and solar are not there yet and really cost as much if not more per kw/h than nukes.
I live with 15 miles of 2 plants producing almost half of Ontario's power, and I can sleep at night knowing that it is safe nuclear power. It just isn't always cheap...lol.
That said, for cars, oil, and its byproduct gasoline is going to be the way things are done for a while....
Don't let logic and reality get in the way of a good rant against "big oil".....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
I wish we could avoid disasters like this in the Gulf. I think the science of drilling in the deep of the ocean floor needs to be rexaimined and rethought before any new platforms are authorized.
Ironically, because no platforms were allowed within sight of land in the Gulf, one could argue that the reason BP is way the heck offshore is because of the enviromentalists and NIMBY types and if they were drilling in the much easier to work with shallow waters off shore, the oil would be stopped.
We have a Winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Still doesn't excuse BP or any other oil company working off shore if something happens. They came to government and said this would NEVER happen. For 50 years, they pretty much were right. But boy...one time, and look what happens....Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
This whole mess just shows you how complicated this can be. In theory, the "Experts" all said this couldn't happen. They didn't have the contingency plan to stop it. Government never really questioned it, and in many cases, forced them way off shore in the deep water rather than allowing them to slant drill into the oil pockets from shallow waters in shore. That said, it is more proof positive of "$hit happens".....
BP is going to lose a lot in this, the US Government looks feckless and that is nothing compared to the enviromental damage and the loss of fisheries in Louisana and along the Gulf Coast. This is a catastrophie that is much more insidious and longer lasting than the cleanup snafu's with Katrina. How Obama handles this will define his presidency..and so far, he looks just like a spectator.....pointing fingers.
Ironic indeed. This sort of thing will crop up from time to time, as long as there is a vast need for oil to supply increasing population and manufacturing, ambition combined with greed, and unacceptable demands placed on department heads and their workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Hopefully this will be a learning experience, calling for stricter guidelines, like it was off the coast of Santa Barbara in the 1960's.
It has everything to do with the rich guys in Malibu wanting to look out and not see an oil platform as much as anything else. I cant blame them I suppose, but oil rigs in deep water when slant drilling from more logical depths may have help if there is an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAReagles
Oil is a pain in the @ss. No two ways about it. That said, until some boffin somewhere figures out a way to make hydrogen or fusion technology work, we are stuck with the oil economy....and no amount of handwringing and good wishes will change THAT.
A: paranoid bs, it has been done before, working well.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
B: So what?
C: Shipping, what they cruise around with their heads in bags?
What happened now is better-- get real.
I have no comment on this.
BULL
The problum is all my comments WOULD get me sensored.
I think this mess isn't going to be an easy Fix. I read on a Facebook thread that people think BP should just whistle up a bunch of tankers to suck up all the oil. Which proves two things:
One, they have no idea of the math in how many barrels are out there even after the first 3 days, and two, I guess they figure BP could just phone "tankers r us" and they would be on site in about 2 days.
The amount of oil in the Gulf is SO vast, and was just after a few days, that there is likely about 20 or 30 tankers of oil out there easily and to try to suck up all that up and not also suck a whack of seawater would be impossible. There isn't enough tankers in the world....
Can you imagine what will happen to fuel supplies and prices world wide once some idiot tries to divert even a small portion of the world's tanker fleet to act as stand-by waste oil storage receipients? In addition, any abrasive trash in the vacuumed oil will act as liquid sandpaper on pump seals and impellers. Fliter replacement will be a full time job. The tankers would probably have more maintainence down time than operational time.
There is one extremely dangerous possible solution that quite likely is technically impossible. That is a controlled explosion to seal the pipe. The depth and pressure of the water quite possibly would stop that method from working and could even create and larger hole for the oil to escape from.
That is a very tricky procedure even on land.
There you go having knowledge of the oil business. See, all those talk show hosts and people who have all the answers don't like guys like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
BTW..what the FRACK flag are you flying now????
Apparnetly the Russians let a suitcase style nuke go on a well head once to stop a leak....Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
5 bucks says if Obama wasn't in the White House, the option would still be on the table..I am just sayin......
I woke up one morning and found my once strong, prosperous country now ruled, not by the people, but by an unqualified, incompetent black man that by design and intent or inability is systematically destroying everything that made this country prosperous and strong. Once he gets his next Supreme Court appointment completed, he will continue to try to create situations of such civil unrest that he will be able to declare Martial Law with the complete backing of the Supreme Court. There will be no presidential election in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
In recognition of my new status as a 5th world African nation, I fly the flag of my sister country, Zimbabwe.
Fiero...I am gob smacked...and it is a brilliant theory....and for that, I salute you..lol You know, you can move up here. Canada is inching towards the right every day...librealism here has ran its course...and it starting to erode...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
"'I'm gwine ter larn you how ter talk ter 'spectubble folks ef hit's de las' ack,' sez Brer Rabbit, sezee. 'Ef you don't take off dat hat en tell me howdy, I'm gwine ter bus' you wide open,' sezee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
"Tar-Baby stay still, en Brer Fox, he lay low
Uncle Remus 1881 :p :
Sadly, I think it has been retired but the worlds largest ship,or it was, was a tanker too big for all but a few special ports could be sailed there and suck up a huge mount of the oil slurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
Although it would do not good for the slurry now too close to shore.
Absolutely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
I've noticed that you're not around here as much as you used to be. Hanging out with your "brothers" over at Storm Front, are ya? :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
This I say, not with cruelty or malice... but the sooner you move to Canada, Zimbabwe (you race baiting wingnuts have a particular obsession with Rhodesia/Zimbabwe I have noticed) or maybe Argentina, the better off this nation will be. What you don't seem to get is, this nation became great not because of people like you, but in spite of people like you. Since Obama's election, you whining rabble have been announcing the death of America nonstop. A broken Britney Spears record would be less torturous to the ear. Imagine if any portion of our population had been hampered by your cowardly kind during the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 or WWII. We'd either be speaking with distinctly British accents or we'd have (happily) mastered German by now.
As my grandfather often said, "the same heat that melts butter tempers steel." The wingnut, paranoid schizophrenic radical right is populated by people who seem to be not just covered in butter, but also made of it... 100%. Apply heat and watch them melt. I'm sorry that you are paranoid, delusional, weak and scared. So just stay out of the way. Pretend that there is a census worker at your door and hide under the bed. Those of us who don't imagine monsters or run when we hear a bump in the night will shoulder the burden and right the ship... just as we've always had to do. *sigh* The burden is getting heavier though. Time to drop some dead weight, IMO; (one way) flights to Zimbabwe are pretty cheap, or so I hear. Check with your Storm Front buds... they could probably tell you where the best (cheap) hiding places are. :wave:
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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
And you know this option is off the table how???
Christian Science Monitor:
Considering the risks (for one, the spread of radioactive material that takes a tad longer to break down than an oil slick), hopefully we would more carefully consider this option than the people who brought us Chernobyl.Quote:
President Obama has stepped in and has sent a team of nuclear experts to contain the spill. The man in charge to contain the spill is Steven Chu, U.S. Energy Secretary and also the one who helped develop the first hydrogen bomb in the 50s. The five member multidisciplinary team are a creative lot involved in the first hydrogen bomb, finding ways to mine in Mars and ways to position biomedical needles. The team will work along with BP’s scientist to find a solution. Meeting at BP’s crisis centre in Houston, Chief Executive Officer Tony Hayward said after the meeting, ‘lots of nuclear physicists and all sorts of people coming up with some quite good ideas actually.’
What material is going rise five thousand some feet to the surface, and remain there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
This is a suit-case size bomb, not a fusion weapon.
You really are one of those "How hard could it be?" people aren't you :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
WoW! That is quite the feat developing the Hydrogen Bomb in the 50s considering he was born in 1948!!!
Sloppy reporting.
sounds good to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
and the next time some tanker starts leaking oil....KA BAMMM
next time some illegals start to cross the border KA BAMM
Next time Eki quits creaming his tacos...and starts typing on this forum...KA BAMM
No doubt the world will be a brighter and better place, glowing in the dark
According to one of the panel members on Bloomberg the other day (a Physics PhD), the same oil particles that are rising to the surface now would rise to the surface then too... only they'd be radioactive. And that has apparently been one of the major concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
It's been a long time since I took physics (and that was only in high school), but as I was taught, the detonation of any nuclear weapon is accompanied by a blast of neutron radiation. Whether the reaction is by fusion or by fission does not change that fact.Quote:
This is a suit-case size bomb, not a fusion weapon.
As I've just read, this option has indeed been taken off the table. With BP's now (limited) success in using the cap, risking an undersea nuclear explosion has been decided against.
Something else that was mentioned by the panel on Bloomberg was that while the main source might be sealed (or "glassified" as the one gentleman put it), there is no guarantee that additional fissures wouldn't be opened up by the explosion. So instead of one source, you might end up with 50, or whatever. So apart from the radiation risk, we just don't know how well (if at all) this glassification affect would hold, or if it would collapse/implode because of the pressures at that depth.
What I find most troubling about this is that people (and not just here) are just making wild ass guesses about what to do. There obviously was no contingency plan in place, whether by the government regulators or by the oil companies. So now people are willing to throw noodles at the wall to see what sticks.
I think this nuclear suggestion, along with all other somewhat viable options should have been explored... and from what I've read thus far, they were. But if anyone knew THE answer, we wouldn't still be discussing this. As a matter of fact, if a proper Failure Modes Effects Analysis had been performed by BP (and followed), this wouldn't have gotten as bad as it has to begin with.
Pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Let's just nuke everything we have a problem with. Got a dodgy lock on your car door? NUKE IT!
Child not behaving itself? NUKE IT!
People in another country are Muslims? NUKE EM!!!!
That's twice in as many weeks I've agreed with Markabilly.... weird.
The best part is when someone says we should try it because the Russians said we should. I mean, they're our "friends", so it's not like we'd have to worry about them ever steering us wrong, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That kind of reminds me of an old joke. This guy is walking through a park. He happens upon this guy reading a book and he wants to ask the guy what book he's reading. But there's this big, vicious looking dog sitting near the guy. So before he gets too close, he asks the guy, "does your dog bite?" The guy says, "no" and keeps reading. So the first guy starts walking toward him, when all of a sudden the dog launches an attack like the world has never seen. Bit him up, down and sideways. Arms, legs, face, butt... all over. Finally the dog gets tired and walks away. The bitten, bloody guy looks up at the other guy (who is still reading his book) and says, "I thought you said your dog didn't bite?!" The guy with the book says, "My dog doesn't bite. But that's not my dog." - and goes back to his book. :dozey:
The fact that the Russians wanted to see us try the Wile E. Coyote option would be my first clue to think twice about it. I still think it was worth exploring, but come on now... the Russians??? :rotflmao:
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Amen brother :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I'm gonna see if I can get me one of them thar nukes at the next gunshow. Now that sounds like one true multi-purpose item to keep around the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Amen to that too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Did you know that every day, Mexican gays sneak into the country and unplug brain-dead ladies? SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
I was wondering where all those ladies driving down the road, getting in my way, have been coming from..SERIOUSLYQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
looks like i am gonna need a whole bunch of them suitcases....
That's all uh happenin' cause we got that black devil as President, doncha know. I'm buyin' my ticket to Zimbabwe before he sends his Black Panther shock troops to put me in a concentration camp. Them dang census workers were just a gatherin' intelligence on where we all lived. They could be comin' for us tonight! But they'll never take me alive, I tell ya!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You did know that Obama is the second coming of the Anti Christ, didn't ya? True! I read that on one of those right wing(nut) websites a few months back. John F. Kennedy was the first. When Kennedy got his brains blown out, the Anti Christ jumped out of him into that dang communist, socialist, Nazi, fascist African that we got as our President! He didn't even win the election. Nah, he had all them illegal alien gay Mexicans stuffin' the ballot box! I bet he planned that oil spill to trap us in here. We could have escaped by row boat. Now we is trapped, man!!! :eek:
Unless you are simply magnifying your ignorance, give me actual proof it is not better than destroying the shore-line and how a tiny bomb a mile under water will cause great harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You must be one of those twits who believe nukes of any sort will create a world full of mutants.
Fine if you live in a nerd sci-fi world but not related to reality.
It seem Russian paranoia exists here along side Jew hatred.
Brilliant.
Your analogy and rhetoric, has taken you down to the level of Eki obtuse foolishness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I know you are better than that.