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Equally uninformed post. Ditching homologation rules will not entice more manufacturers. It will drive them away.
We have had homologation for 40 years or more. They have homologation requirements in IRC also.
Were there a driver in IRC presently who is better than Loeb they'd already have his seat. Simple as that.
Stating the obvious, Loeb will continue to dominate until such time as somebody else catches up.
To answer the original question "can Loeb be beaten?" Of course he can.
I think people are way too defence of Loeb, and anyone who (slightly) critisizes him is appearantly an idiot. I think we can all agree that he's the best driver of his generation, however he's been in the right circumstances pretty much the whole time, which I think is only partly his own luck.
Unlike you, I see WRC as it was 10, 15 years ago, totally different than it is today. Most of the names you give are unlucky, let alone irrelevant. Either way, you can never tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
If Loeb was around 10 -15 years ago, he wopuld have strong competition from the likes of, Carlos Sainz, Colin McRae, Tommi Makkinen, Didier Auriol, Richard Burns and Juha Kannkunen. That's 6 other drives capable of winning.
Excuse me Landale , but didn't Seb beat all of those drivers in his first years ?
Josti: Of course WRC was different (better) 10 years ago , but my point that Loeb was winning when WRC was strong (2002-2005) , in the first year he was even a rookie
newsflashQuote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
LOEB WAS AROUND WHEN TOMMI CARLOS COLIN AND BURNS WERE RALLYING and he ridiculed them like sick doggys.
But they were nearing the end of their rally carrers though.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
And BTW, how can world champions be called 'sick doggys'?
easily ....by typing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
they were around their mid 30s which hardly can be called an end...especially Burns and Mcrae and a makinen was never anything good without lampi pulling the strings.
True.. 1990s champions was nowere near old form when Loeb emerged. 2002-2003 were rapid fall for Mcrae and Mäkinen.. the best from their era. In the late 90s Loeb would not have been given the crown so easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Who is lampi? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
lasse lampi.... use google.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Awww... you're back. how cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You still haven't told us who are these "managers". Would you please shed some light into this darkness?
Or, you could show a bit more respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I see 2003 as the year Loeb really got his breakthrough. McRae was in a totally new enviroment with Citroën and he never seemed to get any grip on the Xsara, let alone the team management. You could say that's his own fault, but some combinations JUST don't work out. More or less the same could be said about Burns. The 206 was never his car, but as far as I remember he was more consistent than Loeb, and a title challenger despite no wins. Well, the rest is a sad history, and I think it's unfair to even put him in comparison. Though I tend to agree with Mäkinen (he was way off the pace that season), I think he was just on his retour, and was wise enough to quit. But Mäkinen-Mitsubishi was a dream team, for which the same can be said about Loeb-Citroën. If Loeb made a jump to another team, things might have worked out differently, well, none can ever tell.Quote:
they were around their mid 30s which hardly can be called an end...especially Burns and Mcrae and a makinen was never anything good without lampi pulling the strings.
I have to say NOT, you take way too little in consideration.
respect ... hmmm i need to search this word in a dictonary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josti
for the rest you have some points but still the facts are facts...Loeb ridiculed Mcrae and sainz in the same car and Auriol in a peugeot in his own turf....Makinen was laughable at subaru and in mitsubishi Lampi did a good job with his team mates. Still Loeb in his years of dominance NEVER showed any weakness towards any of his rivals and if some championships were close none really believed that Loeb could fail because of his skills and not the car. All the other champions like Mcare auriol and the rest of the has been armada showed that they were not dominant in any way during their reign.
Remember that when Makinen was driving the cars were less sophisticated and much less reliable.
Hi every one defending Loeb, This is not necessary just read the heading that is above it supports your comments and is the hole reason that i listed it. Loeb is my favorite diver in the wrc and rossi is my favorite in Moto gp, but when i watch both i like to support someone that is more the underdog (Lorenzo in moto gp).
An easy win is not worth watching would be nice to see more real competitors.
I'm no particular fan of Loeb. In fact I will mostly cheer for any other competitor to win over him. And that's not just because his long winning streak has become monotonous, I have been that way since he began as a rookie.
But rather than wish to see Loeb fail, as in this despicable quote, "I hope that ford guys will fail..", I prefer to see others win.
Neither do I consider him to be the greatest ever but he is unquestionably the winningest.
And that's the thing that many of you miss when you cite your beliefs of why he is so successful - "it's the best car" or "the competitions not good" etc... mere excuses.
The fact is that anyone can win once or twice. And of those that do, we can normally find some external reason why they won.
But real winners, (those who string multiple successes together), whether they be sports people, business people, politcians, whatever, have something special within themselves which is the reason for their success.
People like Loeb would be successful no matter what they do. In fact Loeb was a successful gymnast before he came to rallying. He would have been equally successful as a golfer, a tennis player, a circuit racer or if he were rallying in another era.
It is his ability to assess the landscape, weigh up the opposition and to clinically apply what is needed to compete and ultimately defeat them each & every time that makes him the winner that he is. And that wouldn't change regardless of what he's driving or who he's competing against.
Of the names of past drivers who've been mentioned so far nobody compares, and even extending back through the past four decades only Walter Rorhl would come close.
Very true good post
Loeb is likely to win the 2010 title in a more comfortable fashion than in 2009 or even 2008. One reason is that Hirvonen has got more rivals now and the chasers are constantly taking points away from each others. Secondly Mikko has already lost too many points on gravel and with 4 tarmac rallies still to come Loeb's advantage could already be decisive even if Seb falls asleep and retires in an odd rally here or there. But at least the fight for P2 in overall standings seems quite exciting. :)
Perhaps will be too late for the Loeb party, but whoever is on top in 10 years should watch up for the Rovenpera Jr. (8 years old)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyyWn...ayer_embedded#
oops double-post
lol.....
Can anyone beat Loeb?... or should that be will anyone be allowed to?...
I don't know but I'd really prefer it if the teams just let everyone drive their own races without tactics to help the preferred number 1 driver at such an early stage in the year...
For the newbies like me it seems to bring the game into disrepute...
Because we all know that however well Ogier, for example, does he won't be allowed to win and that just seems wrong... doesn't it?...
If Loeb was as good as most people think he is tactics are not necessary, are they?...
On the current basis it's only Mikko and Petter that are allowed to challenge him this year and the former looks unlikely to and the latter is too short of the readies to do so (not to mention that Citroen may make parts difficult to find if he looks like doing so).... therefore it rather looks like game over even now...
But what do I know?....
teams have 1 goal the manufacturer title.....by allowing every driver to go flat out or ignore tactics they jeopardise their chances of winning the title.
Agree - Escpecially we can see this at Ford - interesting as for me tha manu title has less maketing valueQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I think the most realistic one who can do it is his wife who can beat him very easily and hopefully she will not be accused in home violence for that :-)
wife is the good one :D , and there is no tactics need at all to beat Loeb...just do it ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
But yes, Loeb driving style is so straight and smooth, the only way is to take more shortcuts to beat Loeb... :D
Look at the Solberg's, Hirvonen's, Latvala's onboard cameras, the road is not seen almost the all stage, and the car are very nervous, which makes braking difficult and risk higher, and they are too fast in the corner, which makes difficult to get out of the corner faster and risk is higher. But either way, they are all amazing drivers, I love them to watch, I love their's attitude, they love driving, all of them have unique driving styles, and they are risking hugely to beat Loeb, but rally is too long for taking that amount of risk.
Loeb's onboard camera - the road is seen almost of the time, which indicates, that he keeps the car more straighter, he brakes earlier, righter moment, while getting faster out of the corner, and driving like that he is faster then others while taking less risks.
When Loeb talks about the risks he takes, I think, he is taking just more shortcuts and brakes later, but that's all about his risks, while the others taking risks being too fast at the corner. Every Loeb's mistakes are first to contact front wheel, which indicates too much shortcuts...and very very very very rearly he makes a spin...(in Sweden once I remember, he backed off a little bit of gas, and rear was gone immideatly and the next thing he he find himself, his on the roof - but there was communication error as well, if I am not wrong)
But YES, Loeb can be beaten, when the pressure is higher...but it is not at the moment...
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Originally Posted by Raini
Look at the press conference after Rally Turkey and the interview with wrc.com. Loeb definitely feels pressure from Petter.
The fact that he finds himself in a position in which he is favoured illustrates that he is. Drivers don't tend to become an undisputed number one without some degree of talent, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadySnowcat
thats crap. would not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LadySnowcat
I'm pretty sure they already did it a lot last year... it took him months to get new diffs and engine for his xsara. Then for his C4 they told him it'd cost a million dollars to get the same gearbox as Seb.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlake
Still, by now it looks like he has nearly the same car as the factory drivers.
Let's hope Petter does well and we get the chance to find out...Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlake
Yes even I could see that from attending 2 rallies this year but there is one guy who is smoother... and when he gets up to speed....Quote:
Originally Posted by raini
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The Xsara was an old, old car so I dbout Citroen felt any need to supply him with anything really. The C4 is a customer car no more, no less. He'll never have the exact same car as Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
I love how people are suggesting it's all about preferential treatment. He gets that treatment because he's a winner and that is because of his talent.
No. Only his own (rare) errors can ...
NO one and no one can beat loeb el magnifico!
It seems that neither his errors can beat him!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
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Originally Posted by Helstar
You were saying ? XDQuote:
Originally Posted by tolis11
Obviously some guys can... :D :cool: :D :cool: :p :