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31st March 2010, 23:06
JFL

Some of the reason its so expensive is that: They build few engines, gearboxes, and all other parts... And they want a lot of money for them..
If all cars have the same gearbox from one manufactor(sällholm, xtrac) it will be cheaper... Maybe they are 0,04 sec. slower to shift with, but they are more affordable...
It's now way that the gearbox offered by Citröen to PSWRT earlier this season is worth what they are claiming, but they can claim it, since they own it and there are a few made and that it's FIA approved...
2nd April 2010, 09:52
AMSS

Regarding power

Regarding the most likely decrease in power, the drivers have themselves said that with a bit more power the cars would probably be more safe to drive as you can make up for some errors ( too much sliding, bad lines) with the throttle.
Now it is impossible as they even now don`t have enough of it.
You can also clearly see this "effect" on some super special stages with really long curves with lots of room as they have to drive one turn as 3 or 4 turns. With more power they could drive the hole turn as one.
Imagine a long narrow turn when the car suddenly stops sliding than you have to turn against and the sliding from side to side starts that`s what causes the crashes as well as the fact that the entrance speed has to be quite high because they don`t have the power to accelerate out of the corners. We would see a completely new driving style with more power I think.
However as usual the FIA don`t listen to the drivers.............
2nd April 2010, 11:20
OldF

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Originally Posted by FVS

Regarding the most likely decrease in power, the drivers have themselves said that with a bit more power the cars would probably be more safe to drive as you can make up for some errors ( too much sliding, bad lines) with the throttle.
Now it is impossible as they even now don`t have enough of it.
You can also clearly see this "effect" on some super special stages with really long curves with lots of room as they have to drive one turn as 3 or 4 turns. With more power they could drive the hole turn as one.
Imagine a long narrow turn when the car suddenly stops sliding than you have to turn against and the sliding from side to side starts that`s what causes the crashes as well as the fact that the entrance speed has to be quite high because they don`t have the power to accelerate out of the corners. We would see a completely new driving style with more power I think.
However as usual the FIA don`t listen to the drivers.............

That is exactly what Marcus said when he drove rally cross car.
2nd April 2010, 13:33
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by FVS

Regarding the most likely decrease in power, the drivers have themselves said that with a bit more power the cars would probably be more safe to drive as you can make up for some errors ( too much sliding, bad lines) with the throttle.
Now it is impossible as they even now don`t have enough of it.
You can also clearly see this "effect" on some super special stages with really long curves with lots of room as they have to drive one turn as 3 or 4 turns. With more power they could drive the hole turn as one.
Imagine a long narrow turn when the car suddenly stops sliding than you have to turn against and the sliding from side to side starts that`s what causes the crashes as well as the fact that the entrance speed has to be quite high because they don`t have the power to accelerate out of the corners. We would see a completely new driving style with more power I think.
However as usual the FIA don`t listen to the drivers.............

Maybe that's safer, but does it reward the best drivers?
2nd April 2010, 14:09
AMSS

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Originally Posted by RS

Maybe that's safer, but does it reward the best drivers?

That`s exactly what it would do in my opinion, cause it would leave more options regarding lines etc. Now everybody have to drive more or less the same lines and rallying goes slightly more towards track racing.
Though I doubt that it would change dramatically as there usually is only one optimal line.
Anyway they will not increase the max power because it`s against their obvious policy...........
2nd April 2010, 14:21
AndyRAC

More power than grip - that is what is needed!!
2nd April 2010, 21:16
AMSS

Spot on
13th May 2010, 12:38
Bobcat

Ford takes step forward with new car

Ford takes step forward with new car http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83564

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By David Evans Thursday, May 13th 2010, 09:40 GMT
Ford has taken a significant step forward in the development of the Fiesta RS WRC, its next generation World Rally Car which takes over from the Focus in time for the start of next season.
Team director Malcolm Wilson has admitted for the first time that the all-new 1.6-litre turbocharged engine which will be used in next year's Fiesta RS WRC is up and running on a test bench at the team's headquarters in Cumbria.
With technical regulations only recently confirmed, the new motor is the last part of Ford's new car to come together. But Wilson is confident the engine will be in the car as planned in the late summer.
"There has been a version of the engine running at M-Sport for the last few weeks," he said. "There's a lot of work to do and the engine is evolving all the time.
"We're working on the solutions for various aspects, so this is by no means the final version of the engine that we will run in the car. We're working on things like the fuel pressure, which is going to run at 200-bar instead of six or seven bar of pressure which we have in the current car."
Wilson added that he expected the final version of the engine to ready in the next couple of months.
"I would say it's going to be July or August when we have the engine pretty much done in the workshop and then we'll look to have it in the car in September, as planned," he said.
The chassis work is already well underway for the Fiesta RS WRC, with the car running a very similar specification as the Fiesta Super 2000 car which is dominating this year's Super 2000 World Rally Championship.
In readiness for running a more powerful engine, the Fiesta RS WRC chassis has already run with the current two-litre turbocharged engine to test the reliability and performance of key transmission parts.
13th May 2010, 12:47
handbrakes&hairpins

Finally! It will be awesome to see in action!
13th May 2010, 12:58
Bobcat

Totally! :)
13th May 2010, 16:04
JFL

200bar fuelpressure? wow..
13th May 2010, 16:11
Francis44

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Originally Posted by JFL

200bar fuelpressure? wow..

Is that good or bad anyway?!
13th May 2010, 16:36
Mirek

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Originally Posted by JFL

200bar fuelpressure? wow..

It's direct injection, so it's no extreme ;)
14th May 2010, 08:06
HaCo

So the base is the S2000 chassis. The rules are clear (apparantly?), does somebody know them and willing to explain them here? :)

Kinda funny Loriaux explained in the past it would be totally impossible and way to expensive to convert an S2000 to a turbocharged WRC.
14th May 2010, 08:24
PJRevs

I think that story was about making turbo engine from S2000 engine with some kind of kit
14th May 2010, 08:32
HaCo

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Originally Posted by PJRevs

I think that story was about making turbo engine from S2000 engine with some kind of kit

As far as I can remember it was about transmission parts of an S2000 bering to light for a turbocharged engine.
14th May 2010, 08:55
Brother John

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Originally Posted by HaCo

As far as I can remember it was about transmission parts of an S2000 bering to light for a turbocharged engine.

I think they mean with THE BASE only the frame. :p ;)
14th May 2010, 13:42
Bobcat

Privateer Fiesta WRCs expected for 2010

Privateer Fiesta WRCs expected for 2010 http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/p...cted_for_2010/
14th May 2010, 23:06
It's JM

IMO, it seems that the development for these cars are going really smooth. Looking at the Fiesta RS WRC and then looking at the DS3 WRC that is going under some really secretive testing, the 2011 WRC seems to be off to a good start. If we get the chance to see other factories entering other than Citroen and Ford, I bet more people will be back to watch.
18th May 2010, 15:04
Bobcat

Ford chief calls for hybrid technology in WRC

Ford chief calls for hybrid technology in WRC http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...nology_in_wrc/

Report: Sporty RS Based On 2012 Ford Focus May Get Hybrid AWD System http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...rid-awd-system

That's great! Good things keep you waiting, don’t they?
24th May 2010, 08:40
Red bull

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Originally Posted by Bobcat

Ford chief calls for hybrid technology in WRC http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...nology_in_wrc/

WHAT IS HYBIRD TECHNOLOGY?
24th May 2010, 09:02
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Red bull

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobcat

Ford chief calls for hybrid technology in WRC http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/f...nology_in_wrc/

WHAT IS HYBIRD TECHNOLOGY?

Wow, about time. Sportscars/WTCC have had Diesels for about 4-5 years now. Porsche ran a hybrid in the Nurburgring 24 Hours, Peugeot have actually made a 908HDi FAP Hybrid, though haven't raced it, and Citroen have shown a C4 Hybrid.
So, yes, bring it in - show that the WRC is forward thinking.
24th May 2010, 09:08
AMSS

Future WRC

Juha Kankkunen who is a personal advisor to Jean Todt for the WRC, note NOT working for the FIA. Told a Finnish motorsport magazine that he will be pushing for engines with bigger restrictors so that the max power will be at least 350hp, and also reduce the current minimum weight by 50kg. With these solutions the cars will be alot more entertaining and also will separate the drivers skills more. He also wants more private teams in the WRC like Grifone was, and definately a Italian manufactorer in the series.
Ps. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum......
25th May 2010, 14:08
Bobcat

Ford Fiesta RS WRC

http://galeria.vezess.hu/files/012/0...74_492x272.jpg
25th May 2010, 15:39
jonas_mcrae

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Originally Posted by Bobcat

http://galeria.vezess.hu/files/012/0...74_492x272.jpg

nice... now lets see if it goes as it looks!
25th May 2010, 16:03
serial jeff

Nice looking car... that livery is definitely better too.
25th May 2010, 17:30
MJW

BP staying then?
Maybe BP's new slogan should be BP bringing oil to America.
25th May 2010, 18:21
Red bull

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Wow, about time. Sportscars/WTCC have had Diesels for about 4-5 years now. Porsche ran a hybrid in the Nurburgring 24 Hours, Peugeot have actually made a 908HDi FAP Hybrid, though haven't raced it, and Citroen have shown a C4 Hybrid.
So, yes, bring it in - show that the WRC is forward thinking.

THANKS :s mokin:
25th May 2010, 18:33
Red bull

mmm nice car..... but problem still lays with signing drivers capable of beating loeb and the Ds3.
25th May 2010, 18:49
HaCo

And why oh why that big wing? :(
25th May 2010, 19:12
Hartusvuori

Where's that picture from? It sure looks nice.
25th May 2010, 19:47
Walach

Nice work in photoshop :-) That´s all.
25th May 2010, 21:28
Red bull

looks like the 2011 wrc :confused: :confused:
25th May 2010, 21:31
Mirek

That's Fiesta Mk 5, the older model. Photoshop again ;)
25th May 2010, 21:38
Red bull

yes 2006 fiesta and doesnt resemble the fiesta s2000 at all :cool:
31st May 2010, 19:16
Bobcat

Wilson eyes Fiesta WRC testing role

Wilson eyes Fiesta WRC testing role http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/w..._testing_role/
31st May 2010, 22:27
N.O.T

very nice choice of testing driver....he has the rally skills of a boiled potato and its free.
1st June 2010, 00:47
jonas_mcrae

Matthew should quit WRC and just do testing for free, lets just hope his input into the new car is good, and not **** like his part in Stobart...

Im sure Matthew will only test the early version of the fiesta anyways, then Malcom will bring Martin, Kresta (?) Mikko and who knows, maybe Bosse, to do the proper job
1st June 2010, 12:29
Mirek

The article is about endurance testing. That's not much about development but about driving and driving and driving and braking things which have enough. You don't need the best test driver to do that.

On the other hand Matt may be good in development testing. Fast driver isn't automatically good test driver and vice versa.
1st June 2010, 13:36
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]The article is about endurance testing. That's not much about development but about driving and driving and driving and braking things which have enough. You don't need the best test driver to do that.

On the other hand Matt may be good in development testing. Fast driver isn't automatically good test driver and vice versa.

:up: :up:

And Matt did the same on the Fiesta S2000, which so far has been a good new car...

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