I've never seen a GT1 car with crazy aero aids beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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I've never seen a GT1 car with crazy aero aids beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Oh ffs are people being needlessly pedantic or what?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Lets just agree that a GT1 car is like a GT1 car
A supertourer is like a supertourer
And that a DTM car is like a DTM car
And that an LMP isn't an LMP because it doesn't fit into the dictionary definition :rolleyes:
None of them share any similarities at all. I shall get out a dictionary and find some stupidly pedantic way of saying that the wheels on a DTM car are a different kind of round to the ones on a GT1 car.
Sorry I ever even posted in this nonsensical thread in the first place!
I've vandalised the LMP page for a laugh :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Mans_Prototype#History
I really do despair sometimes.Quote:
On the 18th of March LMP's were renamed to something else because Rollo from Motorsportforums.com pointed out that whilst the P in LMP stands for Prototype, the cars are not actually prototypes according to the dictionary reference. The ACO protested saying that they've been called prototypes for "f*ing ages" and that this is the accepted motorsport definition, but then gave up because it didn't want to listen to one of Rollo's nonsensical arguments. They also mandated that GT1 cars have winglets just to piss Wedge off.
How mature of you
I really do despair sometimes
How do you reply maturely to someone who simply doesn't want to recognise that GT1 cars and DTM cars are probably closer to each other than they are to a lot of other cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
You don't! You throw your hands up in the air and say **** it and vandalise a wiki page to prove a point.
Its a shame Wikipedia keep changing their pages back to how they were, I like spamming them, who doesn't? - Yes I really am that mature :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Forget duelling pistols, Wikipedia is where the battle is won or lost. :D
It's an interesting discussion but there's no need to cry and empty your pram just because others disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I'm not crying :laugh: In fact that all makes me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ar_roadcar.jpg
Here is a comparison of the road going version and the race car...
If Mercedes, BMW etc decide to join up....I would think it would be more like this than DTM....I would hope that anyway...
The road VE Commodore is too long and too wide for the regulations. So in order to pass homogation, special chassis have to built. Two strips are cut out of the car down the long axis; either side of the transmission tunnel, and a space between the B-Pillar and the C-Pillar is cut out, and then the roof is reprofiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJP
The V8 Supercar Commodore, is shorter, narrower, and lower in height than the road going VE Commodore.
You can actually see the distortions, particularly behind the B-Pillar between the two cars.
Knowing this, you can still clearly see that it is a holden commodore..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
The differences between body work and chasis modifications of the DTM cars and V8 supercars is quite different.
I think the point being made is that DTM cars aren't touring cars.... but then again neither are the V8Supercars really anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
More 'silouette' regs than anything
The January 2010 edition of Top Gear magazine (UK) has a six or seven page spread on the Audi A4 DTM.
It's reproduced here and makes for an interesting read:
http://www.quattroworld.com/audi-mot...0-audi-a4-dtm/
Despite the presence of four doors and what looks like a boot, this is pretty much a single-seater in drag.
...
In other words, this is a sophisticated racing car, arguably a lot closer to endurance prototypes than straight touring cars.
The main difference being that to get a V8 Supercar you start off with a Commodore; and to get a DTM Audi A4, you don't start off with an A4 but a spaceframe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJP
So it's like a prototype which isn't a prototype according to you?
No its like a V8 Supercar, stop trying to turn Motorsport into similies...
Oh god, who cares what it is, let's just look forward to the announcement that's coming soon.
http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2010...ar-round-18730
"Mercedes-Benz has emphatically denied any interest in entering V8 Supercars when the category is thrown open to more manufacturers in 2012. Following a frenzy of speculation last week, the German giant's global motorsport boss ruled out a factory-backed V8 team under the Car of the Future rules"
Mercedes-Benz Motorsport spokesman Wolfgang Schattling added: 'We definitely will not be doing that.' "
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/mot...501564138.html
Speculation of the week is that Mercedes-Benz is to enter V8 Supercars and what has been exclusively a narrow tribal conflict between Holden and Ford.
[bIt won't happen.[/b]
Fellow prestige maker BMW has flatly denied that it is interested.
There it is. MB & BMW aren't and won't build a V8 Supercar. The question remains now, who sparked the rumours in the first place? And the answer to that can be found in the original article posted in this thread from the Sydney Morning Herald:
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/g...0309-pvdm.html
The chairman of V8 Supercars, Tony Cochrane, confirmed the expansion talks this week.
"Some of the teams are already talking to potential new manufacturers," he said.
Mr Cochrane by any chance?
That Coch better ran. Oh that made no sense. But he bloody should. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/460...#comment_37927
FORD AUSTRALIA HAS announced today that it will discontinue the Falcon wagon this year, with the last wagon to roll off the line in June.
The news follows reports last year that Ford was considering the wagon's future, Ford Australia CEO Marin Burela confirming that a decision would be made by this past January.
How long do you give it before the Falcon is axed entirely? What the hell does V8 Supercars do then with only one make of car to choose from and no other willing participants at this stage?
The Falcon itself has been flagging in sales, having fallen from top spot to number 7 in the latest VFACTS survey. Ford already previously announced that there probably wouldn't be a replacement for it at the end of the model cycle.
What then?
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/car-of...8/default.aspx
The Car of the Future has supposedly been "released". Though in reality all they've suggested is a marketing drive, and the following announcements. The Car of the Future will have:
Control:
- floor plan
- roll cage
- rear suspension
- rear uprights
- wheels
- tyres
- E85 Fuel
- gearbox
- differential
- brakes
- cooling
- fuel delivery system
- electronics loom
- ECU
The weight drops from 1350kg to about 1200-1250kg, the fuel tank is to be moved forward of the rear axles, the rear wing surface is to be controlled between the mounts, and the V8Supercar must share the same "likeness" as the road car.
What's annoying about this is that there aren't as yet a set of technical regulations defining anything, and nor is there any statement as to what the "Engine Equalisation Program" is supposed to entail.
I would suggest that the most likely candidates for new manufacturers if they are going to surface are someone like Geely or Great Wall, or something.
From the info that Rollo has provided...and a big thanks for that,
I would not be very interested if these COF's are looking more to a DTM format. Where the car is only to resemble the road going version.
What I like about the V8 supercars is that although they are heavily modified, they still look very close to the road going version.
I certainly do not want to see a DTM/Nascar drop on body that only just resembles the road going version....
The racing is great because they cars are difficult to drive, adding extra performance by weight loss and chasis mods and flared gaurds with winglets every where....I mean come on!!!