Almost official: USF1 wouldn't race in 2010

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Originally Posted by Stuartf12007

usa In Motorsport = Fail

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This sort of remark really "gets my Irish up!"

Besides the obvious racing drivers, how about the great Eagle team? Dan Gurney won wth them but his backers withdrew.

Roger Penske won and the left.

Less obvious is the material called carbon fiber - an American invention. How many lives has this saved?

And the company that invented it had a direct interest in F1 through the Du Pont family. His name, Brett Lunger - a very wealthy kid that also volunteeredd for Vietnam as a marine and was one of the drivers to pull Lauda from his burning car.

And while it is different, American motor racing is magnificent. Just look at it!

Do you really believe, that people from such a nation, if they WANTED to move into F1, would not succeed?

Americans HAVE succeeded in F1, without even trying too hard, auld sport!

Maybe, we ought to be relieved that Americans have NOT decided to make F1 their center :vader:

You could add Nomex to that list.
I had one of the first Nomex driver suits (and long Johns) in Canada way back in 67. :eek:

What will Mario and Bobby Rahal be thinking? They were so anxious to push Marco and Graham to F1. The only way that can happen is if any team can give them a fair test drive during their test weeks. If the Becketts got involved, then maybe they may get in the grid. Instead, they bought the Cubs.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

You could add Nomex to that list.
I had one of the first Nomex driver suits (and long Johns) in Canada way back in 67. :eek:

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:D kewl!

1967 - the names Al Pease, George Eaton and Eppie Wietzes come to mind, along with that beautiful circuit that has to have a soft spot in the soul of all racing fans, Mosport Park.

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Originally Posted by Placid

What will Mario and Bobby Rahal be thinking? They were so anxious to push Marco and Graham to F1. The only way that can happen is if any team can give them a fair test drive during their test weeks. If the Becketts got involved, then maybe they may get in the grid. Instead, they bought the Cubs.

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There is the driving talent in the US. Bernie tried to sign Rick Mears and I reckon he would have been a world champion. When he tested for Brabham I think he was fractionally slower than Piquet in his first few laps ever! Such a pity.

Currently I still believe Jeff Gordon was a great prospect.

But on the horizon the most exciting driver prospect is Josef Newgarten and he IS set on F1 because he is racing in Europe.

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Originally Posted by garyshell

But it is ok for you to demonize someone who cares more about motorsports than you and I combined, namely Mr. Windsor?

Gary

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Windsor obviously does not care or else there would be a team on the grid. This was just one big wild goose chase.

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Originally Posted by bartlock

That he has balls and he tried to make a Formula 1 Team! in my book that is a great thing.

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Balls?! What balls?

The only thing motoring is Windsor's mouth.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Now DO NOT go "putting words in my mouth".

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Hard to keep track since there is so much crap that comes from...ummmm...nevermind.

Windsor tried to reinvent the wheel and it didn't work out, a noble effort!

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Windsor tried to reinvent the wheel and it didn't work out, a noble effort!

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"Reinvent the wheel"?? Could you fill me in as to what that means please?

It looks to me that Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson tried to setup a team in the US and attract the wealth there but they failed.

They tried, they failed. Hopefully one day there will be a US GP and a successful US entry in F1.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

There is the driving talent in the US. Bernie tried to sign Rick Mears and I reckon he would have been a world champion. When he tested for Brabham I think he was fractionally slower than Piquet in his first few laps ever! Such a pity.

Currently I still believe Jeff Gordon was a great prospect.

But on the horizon the most exciting driver prospect is Josef Newgarten and he IS set on F1 because he is racing in Europe.

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Alex Rossi is still there. He will head to GP3. Summerton is trying to get financial backing for F2. Hildebrand is probably staying stateside after his test with Coyne if he can get the funds. No word if John Edwards has his NWR put an Indy Lights ride.

Back in the '90s before the split, the best US prospects would have been Vasser, Hertan and Robby Gordon.

I think that American drivers focus on stock car racing and that's why their drivers are not very strong in F1 and with the notable exception of Hornish jr. in IndyCar. Whether a US team would be successful, seriously successful in F1 I dunno. It seems that only teams from Great Britain and Ferrari can be consistently strong, so who knows? The Japanese, also a great nation, tried and failed.
But in reality I don't believe in the concept of better and weaker nations. It's about the people. The best teams are international. Check the Ferrari dream team...

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Windsor obviously does not care or else there would be a team on the grid. This was just one big wild goose chase.

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Oh so all it takes is for someone to care and magically the funding and everything else will fall into place. If you say so Peter Pan. I bet you thought Tinkerbell could be saved by believing in fairies too.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Oh so all it takes is for someone to care and magically the funding and everything else will fall into place. If you say so Peter Pan. I bet you thought Tinkerbell could be saved by believing in fairies too.

Gary

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I don't know what is sadder - the team or the indignation from Americans now that it has failed...

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Oh so all it takes is for someone to care and magically the funding and everything else will fall into place. If you say so Peter Pan. I bet you thought Tinkerbell could be saved by believing in fairies too.

Gary

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Mrs. Windsor and Ken Doll should have attained their funding before acting like pretentious little c*nts in front of the world press.

Can you get that through your head princess?

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Windsor tried to reinvent the wheel and it didn't work out, a noble effort!

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Yes, let's shower the whole USFail crew with frankincense, myrrh, and gold.

USF1's failure doesn't offend me so much as my fellow forum mates so I don't really get people's anger. They've tried their best and failed miserably, lesson is never try. Right? They probably should have talked less and take a decision sooner (I don't even know if it's official yet) to free that spot. They shouldn't have started talking about reinventing the wheel before they even had one. However I can't blame them for trying and failing... it happens some times. Certainly, Bernie promising them extra time and FIA making (as usual) vague threats if they fail to attend any race didn't help them take a decision either.

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Originally Posted by CCWS77

Yes, because what F1 needs is more bureaucracy and legalise to make it better. Who cares if a team started but failed? Did they take your money to do it or something?

Applause to whoever tried but failed to get a business started.
Bureaucrats who want to stop those guys from even trying, unless they first fill out 10000 pages of paperwork, need to take a long walk off a short pier.

Maybe instead of lamenting how USF1 wasted a spot on the grid you should be asking why it is required to reserve a slot and meet so many requirements.

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Why so many requirements? Because there are only a finite number of spaces on the grid and the FIA have a duty to ensure that they are given to teams who stand a genuine chance of turning out a professional outfit for 19 weekends a year.

To allow unprepared or unfunded teams to waste everybody's time is massively unfair on those who might have otherwise been able to have raced this season, whether that be Stefan, Prodrive or CarlMetro's Dad.

Others may admire Windsor for having balls, but I believe he is a delusional dreamer who let his massive ego take precidence over a sound business plan.

My opinion, I'm not about to end my post with "FACT" so if you disagree then feel free" :)

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Mrs. Windsor and Ken Doll should have attained their funding before acting like pretentious little c*nts in front of the world press.

Can you get that through your head princess?

Yes, let's shower the whole USFail crew with frankincense, myrrh, and gold.

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Yeah right! Please give us your money and we'll tell you later what is it for.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I see what you're saying but in my experience a silent team doesn't attract sponsors and interest. Had they not realised videos on their main sponsors website (YouTube), I doubt anyone would have taken them seriously in the early days. As soon as they went quiet in the last months, people have been slating them. Like you I don't blame them for trying and hope maybe something will come of them in the future.. :)

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I don't blame them for making themselves heard... on the contrary... too much talk however about how they are going to be different... better.... Openess and the other stuff... and they have contradicted themselves before even starting... there was nothing open about them... A few weeks left and I don't think they have officially stated where they stand.

I don't really mind about Windsor. It's that Anderson guy. Windsor should've known better.

Anyone checked out their twitter page? There's a lot of delusional people out there, one fan even offered to "change tyres" to make sure USF1 made the grid. ROFL :D Seriously! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Anyone checked out their twitter page? There's a lot of delusional people out there, one fan even offered to "change tyres" to make sure USF1 made the grid. ROFL :D Seriously! :rolleyes:

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One guy in the WRC forum once said that he'd organise a sausage sizzle to help raise money for Skoda to stay in the WRC :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

I'm so glad that I saved this quote:

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I knew I could count on Windsor.

Once a failure, always a failure.

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Originally Posted by bartlock

That he has balls and he tried to make a Formula 1 Team! in my book that is a great thing.

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Yeah, 3 hurrays for failure!!!

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Originally Posted by henners88

I know there sure is some silly comments on there.

"I know others have said it, but ifs theres anything we can do to get US-F1 on the grid, we'll do our best!"

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:rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

One guy in the WRC forum once said that he'd organise a sausage sizzle to help raise money for Skoda to stay in the WRC :rotflmao:

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The obvious thinking that the car would have made a better barbecue than a Weber comes to mind.

So it was a Mastercard Lola like many of us predicted. :rolleyes:

It wasn't even that. At least Mastercard Lola turned up with two working cars (just about) and attempted to qualify.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I knew I could count on Windsor.

Once a failure, always a failure.



Yeah, 3 hurrays for failure!!!


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Failure is no disgrace - never trying and quitting IS.

Now, we do not know what the situation at USF1 is and until we do all that there is, is speculation.

You obviously take great delight in watching the USF1 difficulties, which is disgusting to all decent people.

You supposedly are a fan of formula one yet you take such pleasure in seeing a new team suffering.

Mean-spiritedness is the biggest disgrace of all. You have my pity and none of my respect.

I respect Peter Windsor and I sure do hope that we see his brand new racing cars, this year and if not, then maybe the season after that.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Why so many requirements? Because there are only a finite number of spaces on the grid and the FIA have a duty to ensure that they are given to teams who stand a genuine chance of turning out a professional outfit for 19 weekends a year.

To allow unprepared or unfunded teams to waste everybody's time is massively unfair on those who might have otherwise been able to have raced this season, whether that be Stefan, Prodrive or CarlMetro's Dad.

Others may admire Windsor for having balls, but I believe he is a delusional dreamer who let his massive ego take precidence over a sound business plan.

My opinion, I'm not about to end my post with "FACT" so if you disagree then feel free" :)

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I fundamentally disagree with the idea that the FIA should give out some limited number of spots based on politics. If there is really some epidemic of too many cars then engage in something called qualifying. Teams that can not qualify will soon quit. Who needs all this backroom dealmaking to get a starting spot. This entire idea of complaining about USF1 is based in these politics created by the FIA. If that wasn't case then fans should simply like to see as many cars as possible attempting to show up.

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

"Reinvent the wheel"?? Could you fill me in as to what that means please?

It looks to me that Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson tried to setup a team in the US and attract the wealth there but they failed.

They tried, they failed. Hopefully one day there will be a US GP and a successful US entry in F1.

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Windsor and Anderson wanted to do the exact opposite of what all other F1 teams have done. They thought that since so many F1 part suppliers are in the U.S., it would prove less expensive to be in North Carolina than Europe.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I think that American drivers focus on stock car racing and that's why their drivers are not very strong in F1 and with the notable exception of Hornish jr. in IndyCar. Whether a US team would be successful, seriously successful in F1 I dunno. It seems that only teams from Great Britain and Ferrari can be consistently strong, so who knows? The Japanese, also a great nation, tried and failed.
But in reality I don't believe in the concept of better and weaker nations. It's about the people. The best teams are international. Check the Ferrari dream team...

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How does Hornish enter into the equation? He went from OW to stock cars because he felt he could make more money as a middle of the pack stock car driver than a winning IndyCar driver.

A lot of American drivers start in OW, but they're driving sprint cars and midgets, both of which are front-engine. It's easier (and currently more lucritive) for them to transition to full fendered stock cars than mid/rear-engine OW cars.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Mrs. Windsor and Ken Doll should have attained their funding before acting like pretentious little c*nts in front of the world press.

Can you get that through your head princess?

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Their plans were leaked to the media before they had made a final decision to start the team. At that point you have to start the team to save face.

Lots of news about USF1 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/sp...sq=usf1&st=cse
Also a lot in Argentinian Press For all that people who don’t have problem reading in Spanish or with help from google translator this are the best Sites to get the latest news from USF1- Meta- Lopez Crusade
La Voz del Interior Newspaper from pechito’s city and one of the most importants in Argentina, they had direct access to pechito secretary of press and Jose Lopez Father.
Ultima Vuelta Motorsport specialized Media property of Felipe McGough the manager of Pechito and also Involved in F1 Broadcasting for LA
Corsa Magazine Motorsport specialized Media sponsor of Pechito with around 1,5 Millions Dollares
Campeones Motorsport specialized Media
Carburando Motorsport specialized Media

The latest from Motorsport.com has Ken Anderson asking the FIA for permission to miss the first 4 (four) races. The rules sort of allow for three maybe.
What gall. Then says Jean Todt must reply quickly.
Talk about delusional.

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Originally Posted by Sonic

Anyone checked out their twitter page? There's a lot of delusional people out there, one fan even offered to "change tyres" to make sure USF1 made the grid. ROFL :D Seriously! :rolleyes:

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http://www.youtube.com/usf1team
have some good stuff

can someone translate this

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Anderson admitted that the FIA might turn down US F1's request and put the team out of business.
"I guess anything's possible," he said. "But what would be the point of that? Why would they give us a franchise and just, the first time there's a bump in the road, yank it and put it out of business? That's definitely not the message that I'm getting from them. They want to help us, not shut us down."

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http://en.espnf1.com/teamus/motorsport/story/9205.html

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US F1's team boss Ken Anderson has asked permission for his team to miss the first four races of its debut season this year.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Windsor and Anderson wanted to do the exact opposite of what all other F1 teams have done. They thought that since so many F1 part suppliers are in the U.S., it would prove less expensive to be in North Carolina than Europe.

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Thanks for the explanation!

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

You supposedly are a fan of formula one yet you take such pleasure in seeing a new team suffering.

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While USF1 is clearly a self-inflicted fiasco of the highest proportions, I agree with your sentiment. No-one who is a proper F1 enthusiast should wish failure on any team/driver in that way. I feel very strongly about this.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Their plans were leaked to the media before they had made a final decision to start the team. At that point you have to start the team to save face.

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Or you could ignore the media 'pressure' and do the right thing. This is perhaps the best option, in this case and others.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-...ip-four-races/

If by races you mean tests and by Barcelona you mean Bahrain.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Failure is no disgrace - never trying and quitting IS.

Now, we do not know what the situation at USF1 is and until we do all that there is, is speculation.

You obviously take great delight in watching the USF1 difficulties, which is disgusting to all decent people.

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Yeah, I hope the team goes down and the spot is given to someone who will actually add something to F1. This team is a failure. Rather Stefan GP than this.

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You supposedly are a fan of formula one yet you take such pleasure in seeing a new team suffering.

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This is nothing compared to the suffering Race fans would suffer if we had to witness the comedy of that team actually making it to F1. They have no car, done no testing, nothing, they would be 5-6 seconds slower per lap. Is that something you want to see? I dont.

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Mean-spiritedness is the biggest disgrace of all. You have my pity and none of my respect.

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It just breaks my heart.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

While USF1 is clearly a self-inflicted fiasco of the highest proportions, I agree with your sentiment. No-one who is a proper F1 enthusiast should wish failure on any team/driver in that way. I feel very strongly about this.

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it is a fact that they are a failure and with that idiot Peter Windsor leading them, it was doomed from the start. Rather give the gridspot to someone competent, instead of someone who cannot make it to the first race, because they are utterly incompetent.

I dont wish to see failure teams in F1, who are there just to make the grid bigger, but will be 5-6 seconds per lap slower. What would such a team add to F1?

So stick your proper f1 fan reference up your arse.

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Their plans were leaked to the media before they had made a final decision to start the team. At that point you have to start the team to save face.

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No you don't and that is not smart nor sound business practices.

Yeah, lets ruin our reputations, embarrass ourselves, kill all business trust, cause a debacle to the FIA and F1 in terms of grids, and all the other fiasco's involves, so we can save face from a leaked ores conference?

The smart person would have said :"We are thinking about it but will need to make sure many factors are well in place before moving forward with such an exciting and difficult challenge. So those plans constitute our exploratory meetings and inquiries to the availability of creating a team given the new budget proposals set forth by the FIA. "


Instead they made a mockery ( along with mad max) of the whole process tot he detriment of all F1 racing fans. The sooner they go away the better. Let stefan GP in and maybe 5 years from now come back with a real plan and budget.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So stick your proper f1 fan reference up your arse.

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No, I stand by it — and without, you'll note, any need to come out with charming statements like that.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No, I stand by it — and without, you'll note, any need to come out with charming statements like that.

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Oh yes, that makes you so much better than me.

I stand by my comment too.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

The latest from Motorsport.com has Ken Anderson asking the FIA for permission to miss the first 4 (four) races. The rules sort of allow for three maybe.
What gall. Then says Jean Todt must reply quickly.
Talk about delusional.

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If that is the decision they are asking the FIA to make then I would say the FIA should take away their grid slot and give it to Stefan who actually have a car ready to race from Bahrain and have already flown their equipment there.

Looks like at best USF1 might make the 5th race, worst case is they will never appear at all.

Time for the FIA to bite the bullet and admit their vetting process wasn't up to scratch!