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Was the problem with F1 the exorbitant fees involved? If so there is no way that WRC could command comparable figures. Maybe the BBC could get a bargain in comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMetro
I think a smart move on North Ones or whoever's part would be to give the rights to a any terrestrial channel for a nominal fee. Maybe that would help raise the awareness and interest for te WRC.
Ignoring the many obvious flaws with this post, let's for a moment be hopelessly unrealistic and assume that in your wildest dreams 100,000 people respond to your e-petition - the threshold at which it may (or may not) be considered for debate in Parliament. That's out of a population of 70 million or so. By your logic why should the BBC be at the whim of such a tiny minority of people?Quote:
Originally Posted by ilsit
I admire your aim, but you're deluded if you think a petition is the way to go about achieving it.
Well if the bbc annouced that they were doing away with eastenders their would be a petition in seconds its worth a go it doesnt cost a thing your all being defeatist.
If it doesnt get broadcasted to a wider tv audience sponsors wont be forth coming dont forget the likes of Ford and Citreon use it as advertisement also (How many DS3 are a round now?). Why would other manufactures consider it if there is a small tv audience.Quote:
It is not 'the taxpayer' that pays for the BBC, but the licence fee payer. There is a difference. And in no way is it 'the fans' that need to make the first move. The likes of the BBC will only ever want to take up WRC coverage again if there is something worth covering, which, at the moment, there isn't. In short, your sentiments are well-meaning but misguided
BDunnell your stuck in the past looking back at the rallies form the 1980s and 1990s (in another post about tv coverage) how are you going to get anything anywhere near those crowds without getting it on to a main tv channel theres no harm in trying.
so what are these flaws you talk about? Also what way would you go about it since im deluded? As i have said before their are to many people who just moan and will not try anything.Quote:
Ignoring the many obvious flaws with this post, let's for a moment be hopelessly unrealistic and assume that in your wildest dreams 100,000 people respond to your e-petition - the threshold at which it may (or may not) be considered for debate in Parliament. That's out of a population of 70 million or so. By your logic why should the BBC be at the whim of such a tiny minority of people?
I admire your aim, but you're deluded if you think a petition is the way to go about achieving it.
It is a vicious circle, you're right, but not one that will be broken by a petition to the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilsit
A past in which people wanted to watch rallying. Maybe if the powers-that-be had also got stuck there, the sport wouldn't be in this mess, and lacking decent British TV coverage. All these issues go much deeper than a lack of enthusiasts sending e-mails to the Director-General of the BBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilsit
So in your opinion what are these issues?Quote:
A past in which people wanted to watch rallying. Maybe if the powers-that-be had also got stuck there, the sport wouldn't be in this mess, and lacking decent British TV coverage. All these issues go much deeper than a lack of enthusiasts sending e-mails to the Director-General of the BBC.
The issues of low manufacturer interest, lack of TV coverage, weak national championships, etc, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilsit
It seems to me that the core issue is getting a larger fan base for the WRC and I don't think additional TV coverage will necessarily guarantee that. There has to be investment on all sides for the WRC to grow and the only thing I can do as a fan is to bring as many people to the sport as possible. I have gotten at least a dozen friends involved in watching WRC over the past 2 years, which may not seem like a lot, but if they each brought 12 people to the WRC, etc., that is how grass-movements grow. it would be hard for me to imagine that any fan of motorsports wouldn't enjoy rallying if they were exposed to it by a person who could explain the rules, scoring, tactics, driving techniques, etc. As a passionate WRC fan, I would love more/better footage but that is mostly because I am WRC crazy. I think the footage that is available is acceptable for bringing new people to the sport, it just needs to be made more widely available. I would like to see all broadcasts aired, in full, on WRC.com as soon as they are available. I have other means to get them myself but it needs to be made simple for the average viewer.
Occupy WRC!
What is happening to TV and internet coverage - what are this years promises?
today on eurosport i saw that they are going to cover the event...it was part of their January motorsport coverage schedule. No details though...
You mean MC Rally NOT?
yes MC
I haven’t been so interested how the commercial part works between FIA, the promoter of WRC, sponsors and teams but the recent news about NOS and the coverage of WRC have changed my mind.
In the Tuesday issue of “Helsingin Sanomat” (biggest daily newspaper in Finland) there was in the sports section an article called news analysis. There the writer says that: “the most important source of income for the WRC has been the TV rights”. He also says that: “Antonov’s other business are in bad shape and FIA haven’t seen a cent of the millions promised by CSI”.
Things that are clear is:
- The sponsor of a team pays the team to get media coverage via the promoter.
- The promoter pays FIA to have the TV rights.
What is unclear for me is:
- Sponsors as Abu Dhabi, Nokia etc. pays FIA or the promoter (which one?) to get media coverage.
- FIA gets the money for the TV rights.
- If the TV rights is the most important income for WRC, does the teams benefit anything from this or does it all go to FIA?
In this case, I'm not sure that no news are good news...
Looks like shot in the feet for FIA, they banefited from tv rights killing WRC at the same time (in long run). Just want to share my remarks, Mini has greater pubicity from Rally Dakar than will have from the whole series of WRC this year. Lets make one step back and start from beginig - bring back Eurosport to WRC to get publicity.
WRC's site says that next season Eurosport is going to broadcast highlights. Does anyone knows something more about this?
World Rally Championship - Fanzone - WRC TV Guide
Looking form todays POV yes, but in two; three months time Dakar will be gone and forgotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc1600
Would like to bring back this one, a lot of good points here.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc_flipper
Not much has happened in a year, and no plan to develop either has been presented.
Everyone from the top down i FIA says that Rally is a sport where the Internet should play a vital role, in addition to TV.
There are a lot of smart people on the forum, what could be done to improve the Internet part of the media show?
If this is true that would be great! I hope there will be an announcement regarding this very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Go Eurosport.
Can I Race It?: Statement by North One Television over the WRC rights issue
A story has always more than one side.
Definitely interesting developments, it will be interesting to see what will happen over the next few weeks between the FIA, Eurosport and North One.
Can't see NOS being involved in anything. Contract has been terminated by Paris. All employees made redundant.
More important than guessing if Eurosport Events will do better than NOS, it's time to see the FIA take some ambitious measures about the WRC future.
WRC will never be the F1, so it's better to reconigze that the promotional issues should be separated from the technical and sport regulations.
Having an external promoter deciding what events and cars should be run in WRC it's wrong and won't benefit the series.
Those subjects are competence of the FIA and should be based in a permanent feedback with WRC players: manufactureurs, teams, organizers, drivers, etc.
Only promotional stuff like media coverage, series sponsoring and merchandise should be delegated to an external entity, by a fair and reasonable commercial rights agreement.
PS: everybody is remarking the good job of EE on the IRC, but hasn't the series been in a visible decline due to permanent calendar changes, motivated by the promoter economical interests?
Just look at MAds Ostberg´s incar camera from testing today. That´s the way incar coverage should be. And Live. And in everycar. Chooseable for everyone. Wishful thinking? MAybe!
But Mads found the perfect angle (120 degrees camera shutter)
Sure that it's a 120 degree angle, not a 170 one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
the camera is very good indeed....
WRC needs some fresh ideas to bring new fans and people to get interested in... using cameras that capture the true speed and skills is an easy way to do it, anyone watching such footage will definitely be attracted to watch more of it, if he has a spine that is.
Sorry 120 was my guess. Looking at it twice it´s more likely 170-180 degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Yeah, tonight at work I did test the incar footage of Mads to my fellows and they said it was amazing how fast it did feel and they even screamed (you know what I mean..) in some bends when Mads came in too quickly and touched the banks.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
So this is what we have to see more of. The Ostberg team has invented a new way to show incar pics.
If we can get inboards like these, and streamed out to internet, like Ramona Karlson tested in swedish rally, we are on the right track. The technology is there - explore it, lead from the front !
It looks like GoPro Hero 2. It is definitely 170 degrees angle. I am using the same camera and 170 degrees lens for underwater research. Picture looks very, very same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Thats the way onboards should be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
WRC 2012 - Hirvonen testing the Citroën la DS3 WRC before Monte Carlo Rally - YouTube
Hirvonens test - If you watch from about 23 seconds to 28 or something(trust me :D ) the view, right at the front of the car, I think really demonstrates the speed, I'd like to see more of this also!
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
I take it you diddnt like it :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
So, the contract with NOS has been ripped. I guess its Eurosport then! Looking forward to it, i like changes and i hope they will bring some new ways of doing stuff!
And most improtantly, I have eurosport but no MTV3max here in Finland! without this i would have been stuck with late night wrap ups, now hopefully some more footage and reports during normal hours. hah!
For sure. But the incar pics at Mads test shows the speed, how the driver turns the wheel, shifts gear and finally the view 180 degrees makes it rock!Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
The camera are a VIO POV HD, and the lens was mounted on the side of Mads chair.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Oh yes, i hope the new camera men are taking note:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper