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I hope we can get something different from the Gascoyne lotus.
Did not realize Petrov was so much stockier than Kubica. I think he is going to have to slim down a tad.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
Definitely a good combination - both are aggressive in thei driving.
Sweeeeeeeeeet!!!
Design wise, it does look a lot more simple than the Sauber
Could somebody tell me why BMW is already pull out from F1, then still calls "BMW Sauber", even the engine and gearbox are Ferrari?
Could anybody explain me, please?
Best regards
Hmmmmm, a rather worrying lack of sponsors for both teams.
Given that BMW Sauber haven't renamed themselves yet, I suspect that title sponsorship negotiations are still ongoing. Are Nestle prepared to go that extra mile and have their name as part of the team name?
I wonder how much BMW has bequeathed to Sauber to keep it going this season. If Sauber did carry on developing over the winter and are now going to go testing presumably they have received some funds from BMW.
I am guessing this has something to do with it. Also, maybe BMW don't want their name associated with specific sponsors so Sauber won't release their final livery before the name change is sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Both cars looks good, in different ways. Seem the airbox fin is the new craze in F1 this year.
Edit: It seems there is some small Japanese sponsor on the rear wing endplates of the Sauber.
renault car: oh la la la la, best looking car of the year so far, still needs a bit of white for some 1980s look, back to the future yes.
Nah - we've seen the mock up already. Nothing spectacular, quite stocky looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by turismo6
The renault is automotive magnolia. Yes, the livery is superb, but the car looks too conservative.
I agree, maybe they have a few aero tweaks to add later during testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
I'd have to agree with most of you, the Renault looks really bland compared to some of the edgy designs we have seen already. Next to the McLaren it looks like a Nissan World Series car... and doesn't look any faster than last year's ill-fated entry. I would imagine we'll see some Petrov sponsors pop up in the final livery version...
How do you judge speed based merely on looks?Quote:
Originally Posted by maximilian
Anyway these are merely show cars, the Renault in particular since the shots are clearly of a car in a studio as opposed to one being prepared for testing. Why would they bother displaying their latest developments for other teams to peruse at their leisure?
I think the Renault is the best looking car so far this season. Good luck to Vitaly Petrov in his rookie F1 season.
That's kind of the point of presenting your new car! :D Otherwise you might as well do a useless exercise like that "Mercedes GP Petronas Presentation" last week. :rolleyes: Even if all teams hold back their latest design secrets at the presentation, the Renault still just doesn't "look" fast... but we shall see... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
the renault looks very normal and conservative. still, the livery is nice and im glad to see the return of a proper use of yellow.
The Renault looks like the 1997 Jordan a little bit :)
The Sauber looks amazing - it simply HAS to be quick.
Definitely the second prettiest car of them all so far - after the MP4-25. Clean lines, sleak and nothing overtly complicated. The suspension set up is just so clear.
Love the nose and front wing.
If it goes as well as it looks, with drivers like Kubica and Petrov, it is going to be one of the successful cars of 2010.
I like the industry related sponsorship of Total - now THIS is how a racing car should be painted and sponsored. Banks just do NOT belong in racing.
Liquor and oil babies, liquor and oil!!! :-]]] Elf Acquitaine where are you - we STILL miss you!
Well, I like the Renault, but the Sauber seems conservative and ugly to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
Ohh Jordan are back :)
sauber looks conservative and very plain
the renault, I think will change liveries before Bahrain, from first looks, it seems to be an improvement from 2009
btw
how come sauber don't have a website, can't find it anywhere
I don't think so. Bob Bell mentioned the new colors and I don't think that he would have done this if this was interim.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I like that Sauber - it looks innovative, aggressive and racy, especially the front end. I remember BMW-Sauber's 2009 car looked quite conservative and didn't deliver the results, so it looks like the design team has taken a more aggressive approach this time around. Considering that the 2010 car has been developed with BMW's funds, it may be one of the dark horses for the season, especially for the beginning. However, team's long-term development ability is in doubt. The most worrying part is lack of sponsor signs - haven't they managed to add them yet or what is the case? I see in Renault's case Petrov's sponsors aren't visible on the car yet either.
Now to Renault... Considering that yellow is my favourite colour, it goes without saying, how much I enjoy this livery. :D A bit reminiscent of Jordan, a team, who I really liked as well. And the yellow colour has been nicely mixed with other colours, that ING-Renault was a bit too messy compared to this I'd say. As for Renault's car design - may I tell you that this is not R30, it's probably something from last year. ;) Just take a look at this:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/i...am99b/reno.jpg
All 2010 cars have been longer than the 2009 cars. Surely Renault would have done the same?
i very much like the look of the Sauber and Renault, in fact all of the new cars so far look visualy stunning to me, so much detail without all the stupid winglets. last years cars were a bit flat, this year there are buubles and curves all over.
i like the front wing mounting on the sauber - return of the walrus anyone?
1999 BAR anyone? :cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
In all fairness, the picture on page 3 has a different front wing and obviously the shark fin airbox which means it can't just be last year's Renault. Though the dimensions (if accurate) might suggest a similar chassis or floorpan. On the other hand, those dimensions could be inaccurate also.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
wow that is a good side by side.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
you are probably right
surely Renault have updated their design, thi was probaly similar to the mercedes gp liver launch, I expect a redsigned car to hit the testing tracks, otherwise, this would be a stunning (non) development if renault stick with their 2009 design. Maybe they think that the heavier fuel tanks are enough of change to improve the car.
Can't really call it a sponsor though, when Total(& Elf) and Renault are both owned by the French GovernmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Not really bothered by liveries generally but that Renault one is a beauty. Very 80's retro.
I feel like a teenager again.
When does Miami Vice start?
I've always thought school buses looked kind of tacky.
They provide money to go racing - I call that sponsoring. You are welcome to consider it another way.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamM
Importantly these days it is money that enables an f1 team to compete.
Nice angle on some of the detail work of the sidepods and the floor.
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1324339
And is this the exit for the exhaust? Departure from the norm.
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1324331
I don't get it, Total have been supplying Renault for years, their logo has always been on the car so whats new about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
The Renault looks awesome.
Pedro De La Rosa is a bad choice for a main driver, he is too old, he will be too slow and he will fail, i expect to see Raikkonnen as an interim replacement by mid season.
Thank you.
Kimi? What are you smoking? He wouldn't sign for McLaren for 7 million, why would he drive for a mid field sauber which clearly, due to lack of sponsors, could not afford him? However I do agree - PDR is past it - but money talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuartf12007
Both of them are awesome, and Renault´s livery is just what I was asking for... it only needed ELF instead of Total and it´d be like being back in the summer of ´69. OK, not that far, but like in the 80´s.
I´m also waiting to see how the Sauber runs, because it looks FAST. I know how it looks has nothing to do with performance, but you can always think of 96´s Ferrari and Williams...
This season is getting better and better, and tomorrow we´ll see these cars on track. And Toro Rosso too. In fact, I´m not getting bored this year as other pre-seasons... htat´s a good start.
Let's see... a sponsorless car with an extremely sophisticated front wing, nicely sculpted side pods and a very compact rear and. Have we seen this before?
As for Renault, I really hope it's not the final car. It looks too simplistic compared to the Sauber and the McLaren.
Both liveries are :up: .
Is it possible that BMW started developing their 2010 car quite a while before the 'contenders' (Ferrari, Red Bull, McLaren, Mercedes/Brawn) as it was clear from a very early point in the 2009 season that the BMW was a dog?
Lovely shape on the Sauber.
Lovely livery for the Renault.