Or any people with iPods :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Or any people with iPods :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No, we have iPods here. just no mass transit system for them to sit on like iZombies :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Quite the list. Except it does have external connection capabilities. Where does it say that early versions won't have 3G?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
I seem to recall that the original iPhone had similar criticisms, and its eventual successor has (apparently) revolutionised how we use phones. None of us here have used an iPad, and I'm not going to pass judgement on it until I have. I can see it has drawbacks, but I can also see where it will be useful.
Perhaps it's more a case of what this iPad has the potential to do, rather than what it looks like it can do on specs alone. I'm sure some clever soul will come up with applications for it that will make it a very handy piece of kit.
They won't. But the 3G version will be released a few months later apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
Tablet PC's have been around for ages and very few people have use for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
A rather patronising comment don't you think? I think you'll find that on average Apple sells to a higher income bracket than PC products, so for being uneducated those customers have done quite well in life haven't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I don't believe this iPad is going to be a core product for Apple in the same way as the iPod or iPhone but is likely to be a slow-burner that will keep revenue flowing in for some time. With good publisher support it will act as a strong competitor for the Kindle and the Sony equivalent (given how strong sales were just before Xmas for those two products Apple is entering into that market at just the right time too). Given that Apple and most PC makers currently have NO ebook equivalent entering the market is quite a step, and like iTunes Apple will profit from selling you the iPad and the books you read on it.
Having lots of money doesn't mean that you're intelligent now does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Apple products are a fashion accessory.
You say the iPad is going to be a competitor for the Kindle and Sony reader? how? wtf? lol?
The big thing that readers do is digital ink/electronic paper which gives a similar feel to reading a book. When i first saw one of the Sony readers in a store I couldn't work out whether it was actually on or not at first because the text doesn't have that whole backlit look that the iPad will have being an ips screen. The iPad will feel no different to reading a book on a PC screen and that's tiring to the eye.
Have a read and you'll see while the iPad shouldn't be the choice of the average clot for a reader, not I say should because people will think that because it's an Apple product that it must be the best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper
iPad, jack of all trades, master of none.
Well yes, you can buy an adaptor that will give it the basic USB port that even the cheapest phones and notebooks include as standard, but as with the Air you'll end up with all manner of wires and adaptors spoiling the admittedly lovely form if you want to use it seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
Early versions won't have 3G according to Apple's own site. As ever, early adopters are nothing more than paying beta-testers, shafted when the next version comes out. At least they won't be tied into an airtime deal unlike the poor mugs who queued up for the 1st generation iPhones.
Intelligent or educated? The two are different, so Apple users are what, uneducated? unintelligent? Or just both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Not really. I use mine as a home office with spreadsheets, statistical analysis software, word processing and radiology DICOM file viewers. I use a Mac because its reliable and because if I bought a PC I would have had to pay thousands of pounds for a DICOM viewer software that I get for free with the Apple. Which of those bits is a fashion accessory? The time I used to spend sorting out my PC which kept crashing is now time I can use working, that in itself is invaluable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I don't disagree that the tech specs are not those of an ebook, yet that is where marketing comes in isn't it. Buy an iPad and download books straight from your favourite publisher at the click of a mouse. Many people don't know about the Sony or the Kindle, they will know about the iPad whether through advertising or sheer hype. Whether the iPad is easier to read off (I agree it probably won't be) is a secondary concern when it comes to selling. But then, can you view video on a Kindle? How about music?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
What will likely happen, as with the iPod that Apple will tie up suppliers into contracts so the only decent e-books will require you to get an iPad and the superior Kindle won't have much left to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
No you can't view video on the Kindle, but it's supposed to emulate a book experience as closely as possible, so why would you?
Perhaps misguided would be a better wordQuote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Just out of interest what do you do for a job? I googled DICOM viewer and it seems to be radiological? Also seem to be free versions for PC's as well. Mac's aren't immune to crashes, Caroline's sister in law got a 27" iMac for Christmas and tbh it was being a bit fruity (Apple have had widespread issues with the screens on these two), a good PC though shouldn't crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
I agree with you and whilst that's where Apple are good you have to admit it's also a bit crap. They're advertising the iPad as this fantastic reader when really it's actually not as good as other devices or indeed a laptop or netbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Absolutely, the iPad's technical specs will be a secondary concern. Apple's contracts with publishers will be of greater importance than the technical specs of the iPad itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
No, if you just want an electronic book then you don't need video but imagine looking at the two products side by side in a shop. Buy the Kindle and you have a perfectly good ebook but only an ebook, spend that little bit more and you get something you can view video etc etc on as well as an ebook.
Its the same marketing concept as for SUVs. Why buy a Mondeo which merely gets you from A to B in comfort when you could get an X5 which does the same, is slightly worse on road where you'll be 99-100% of the time but much better off road where you'll be 0-1% of the time and in your dreams. People still end up buying the latter.
Yes I'm a radiologist. And no when I bought my powermac 5 years ago there weren't any free PC versions. They've only come onto the market in the past year or two, too late as most radiologists seem to have switched to Apple already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Clearly standards have dropped since they started letting Macs boot up Windows ;) Yours sounds like a hardware problem rather than a software issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
PCs may have become more reliable of late but my Mac just never goes wrong. I have no need to gamble by seeing whether PCs have caught up in the stability stakes.
Recently my fiancee and mother both bought new laptops for the same price, a Dell and a Macbook. The latter takes just over a minute to boot up and be useable, the PC nearly four/five minutes. The Mac hooks up to the wireless seamlessly once the code is put in, the PC procrastinates. Both were straight out of the box so just as the manufacturer intended. Experiences like that merely reinforce my opinion that PCs are literally a waste of time, not something I can afford.
So essentially you're (in a sense) basically advocating the misselling of a product to customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Why buy a kindle which will do what you want, buy an iPad which won't do what you want well, but it'll do lots of other stuff which you probably already have things to do anyway. Back a few years ago technology was all about convergence and getting all the functionality into one product, are you saying that we should start owning tonnes of things which do the same thing and carrying them around with us all at the same time? :confused:
No I don't. I believe people should be free to sell what they want, how they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
People are free to make the decisions they want to when they buy stuff, and I believe that when people see a Kindle next to an iPad many people will go for the latter because of the extra gadgets and the better publisher support. Many will clearly stick with the Kindle because of its better reading screen too, but to state that the iPad is destined to be a failure seems just a little 'misguided' at this point.
And no I'm not suggesting that people will be buying both, quite the opposite. The iPad offers convergence, a tablet that can do more than merely present books. As you said yourself its a jack of all trades, a master of none and past history suggests that that kind of product tends to win over something that is good at just one thing.
Brace yourselves for a revolution...
Of course, I've always said that Mac's do make sense for some people. If you have to pay thousands for something you get with a Mac for free then you're an idiot not to go with a Mac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
The problem with PC's is that they're a lot of rubbish hardware out there. I build my own PC's and only choose the finest cuts (oh wait it sounds like an ad for premium cat food :p ) I mean best parts I can afford and I've not had a hardware failure for a good 4 years though to be fair the issues I had back in Australia were all heat related as the room my PC was in was always very hot in summer.
Laptops are a problem, quite often a lot of crap gets bundled with them which slows them down. Remove the crap and the PC will go a lot faster. Download lots of needless crap for your Mac and it'll suffer too ;)
Sorry if I was unclear, her screen wasn't yellow but many people have reported it as a problem. Her problem seemed more software tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Don't get me wrong, it's a neat bit of tech. But it's the solution to a problem that doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Of course if someone sees the Kindle and the iPad next to each other they're gonna go for the iPad but if they want a good reader they're misguided. Some things are best done by a dedicated device. For instance phone cameras are years and years away from catching up to compact cameras let alone DSLR.
The iPhone sold well because it was a flashy and seemingly innovative replacement for people's previous phones. But the iPad is trying to carve out a new market and trying to kill off readers and netbooks and I just don't see that working because the readers are actually pretty decent and people like netbooks. The air is a commercial failure by Apple standards, it solves the problem that no one had which is "My laptop needs to be stupidly thin, expensive and needs to be tied to a dock to have any decent amount of connectors", then there's Apple TV which doesn't appear to be taking off anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by schmenke
you just had to go there, didn't you... :p
A very good explination of just what the iPad (*snicker* :p : ) was meant to be...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/app...sole,9525.html
Quite good for a Toms article. They're right, it's just a console and a way of making people buy stuff from iTunes to make tonnes of moola.Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
I've been using a tablet for years now.
Lightweight, very readable, not so great with the battery life, but I really like it.
I read books using my fingertips to scroll and turn pages..very tactile.
It's tiny, but is fully capable....4GB RAM, 64-bit OS, 320GB HDD, camera, speakers, wifi, dual CPU, full connectivity ...and on and on.
It does all the stuff I'd want, and much more than iPad, for just a little bit more money.
I don't get all the hype.
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The MAXI PAD?
I just can't understand this. It's too large to fit in your pocket but not large enough to replace a computer? And still no multitasking?
Maybe Apple are running out of ideas. This doesn't really do anything revolutionary.
Also reminds me of this :p
http://www.amitbhawani.com/blog/Imag...onevsstone.jpg
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Originally Posted by christophulus
Yep that sounds like me as a teen, reading up about which graphics card was x% better than the other, and where I could get one for £5 less than some other place. If you're going to build a PC like that then I agree, the Mac can't even compete and back in those days I did think Macs were pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Problem is that for a lot of people working jobs with long hours a PC or Mac is simply a tool that needs to boot up and just work. I don't care if the thing I use isn't optimal or if I paid 20% more than I should have, I just want it to work seamlessly off the shelf. It simply isn't worth my time to go hunting for the best package or keep tinkering with what I've got. The Mac does everything I ask of it and more but most importantly it never causes hassle, and that still is the majority experience with them.
Aren't most Apple products solutions to problems that don't really exist? What was the iPod when it first came out? Just another MP3 player that required iTunes but looked quite smart? The iPhone was merely a smartphone that was easier to use but with fewer concrete features than its rivals, though its software is much more easily personalised with tonnes of downloadable content out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
You're right, no phone camera is close to rivaling a compact camera, yet there are plenty of people out there who only use the phone camera simply because its handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Sure, Apple have failed many times. The iPad may fail too, but I think you're jumping the gun in condemning it so soon. As I said my personal opinion is that it'll be a slowburner, it'll have a long product life but won't sell huge amounts, and I think it'll generate a decent revenue through the online books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Something that I just heard that I didn't know: according to Bloomberg, the fastest growing video game console is the iPhone... not the X-box, Wii or the Playstation. And the iPad is apparently 2/3 faster than the iPhone. EA and Rockstar Games are already in the mix to produce games for the device. So in addition to attacking the e-reader market, it seems like Apple is also going hard for the video game market. I don't play video games. So that is lost on me. But from what I hear, a LOT of people do. ;)
But as I already said, it's WAY too early to announce this device as a success or a failure... before the first one has even been put to market. Buying the first gen of any product (car, OS or TV set) is not going to give you the best bang for the buck. But I'll be quite anxious to see where this device is 12 months+ from now.
I've heard that as well, and that Steve Jobs isn't very happy about it (not liking games) but isn't going to do anything to stop people from developing games either, after all profit is profit....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
To be fair when the iPod came out it was pretty darn good :) I had a U2 G3 and tbh at the time it was better than most of the other stuff out there iTunes or not. I dropped it a little while back and broke the hard drive. I took it apart and confirmed the hard drive was knackered but realised there's no reason for me to fix it. I've got a 16gb USB stick and a 4gb one both which live in the Fiat and they hold all my music which I can control with either steering wheel buttons or voice commands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
"Fastest growing" is something which is often said but means nothing. Trying to make something new look like it's a challenge to the established products.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
2008: 10 million people buy an Xbox
2009: 11 million people buy an Xbox
2008: 10 people buy an iPhone
2009: 20 people buy an iPhone.
Then iPhone sales are growing 10 times faster than those of the XBox.
Offtopic but talking about Nokia N900, to me it's pretty cool that I am able to make FREE video calls ( from my Ubuntu) to my mate's N900 no matter where in Finland he is, since he has a 3g connection in his phone. It works bloody well, he can see me and I can see him and the sound works.Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
I think I just made a mess in my pants.....
http://gizmodo.com/5365299/courier-f...-secret-tablet
That's pretty slick and a very sensible form factor too.
Hitler aint happy!
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I detect a distinct anti-Apple trend in this thread....
How intuitive :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
To be fair the last two posts whilst not entirely serious do make a point don't you think?
Oh and I did say the iPod G3 was alright! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
Stupid article: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01..._book_readers/
Entirely misses the point of e-book readers.
The Reg has really gone downhill. Lots of opinion and not much intelligence of late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark