Agreed, I've actually just sent them an Email begging them to pull or edit it, probs way too late for all that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
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Agreed, I've actually just sent them an Email begging them to pull or edit it, probs way too late for all that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
Timo Bernhard in Germany, and Romain Dumas in France, will run their own national championships this season, with Porsche 911GT3 both of them
Wow, that is interesting - as they are Official Porsche factory drivers - loaned to their related company Audi, and defending Le Mans winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by morganmilan
The GT rules have been published.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...18.01.2011.pdf
This class is called R-GT (R Group).
Min weight for cars with cylinder capacity greater than 3100 cc is 1200 kg and 1020 kg for cars less than 3100 cc.
Restrictor sizes are on the last page.
Looks promising. Also no word about speed limiter. I would like to see RH also...
RH ???
RH is Homologation regulations (Reglement de Homolgation), they are much more detailed but not available for public download.
Merci !
It seems that the R-GT cars must have their own homologation.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...18.01.2011.pdf
2.1 Type of cars eligible
For a vehicle to be eligible, it must be a car homologated by the FIA in Group RGT.
If this is true I don’t think there are single R-GT homologation yet.
If none are homologated yet, is there any way of finding out what cars are planned to be homologated when ?
Any news on this class? Is Porsche going to homolagte R-GT's? What about BMW and Nissan, would be great!
Still no Article 256, does that mean they can not homologate, or are they ready just not published to the public ?
Guessing we will not see any GT cars in FIA rallies before 2012. Pity really, would be a fun spice !
Maybe IRC should allow an interim GT class in 2011, to get the beautiful cars below out in a cup?
Is there no movement at all in this class ?
Many people are waiting for homologated cars to buy, but still no factories or tuning firms that I have seen has done any homologations yet. Why ?
Rallying 2011 - The AUTOSPORT Bulletin BoardQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Seem the 300BHP limit is causing a problem.
There is no such limit in the rules. Only restrictor size dependent on vehicle weigh.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...18.01.2011.pdf
Mirek; What is missing since no one have homologated cars for R-GT yet ?
Do you think there will be any cars ready for 2012, and will FIA have a series for them ?
I do not think that it is attractive enough for manufacturers to homologate a car that fights only for a class win or drivers that is driving just for fun. I believe that a RGT car would be much more expensive compared to R2 and R3 so there wouldn’t be a big market for them. If they had a own championship it could be different (RGT ERC).
Btw, it would intetersting to know which countries have a class or championship for GT cars and what kind of rules are in use.
Lotus to launch new Exige-based rally car
I am not sure if this has been discussed here before, but Lotus is apparently making a new Exige as a rally car, to be presented at the Frankfurt car show in September:
Lotus to launch new Exige-based rally car | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online
"Lotus will homologate the 300 models necessary in time for launch in January 2012"
I posted it in another thread some time ago, I don't remember which one anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
Of course I would like an Exige rally car, but this rumors started in May, and until now it has been so quiet... can we trust it?
Well, September is soon, then we will know more. Unfortunately, I could not find any new article that doesn't simply qoute from CAR magazine article.
Some news on the new Lotus rallye car that was rumoured to be presented in Frankfurt later this month:
Lotus Elise S To Be Joined by Two New Models at 2011 Frankfurt Auto ShowQuote:
Lotus plans to show three new cars. The company hints that one of its Frankfurt debutantes will be "one of the quickest road cars Lotus has ever built" while the other "marks the return of Lotus to another adrenaline-filled motorsport discipline."
Well, an "another adrenaline-filled motorsport discipline", could be rallye, couldn't it?
It could be, and I hope it is, but "marks the return of Lotus"...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
Return? When did Lotus competed in rallying? Maybe they're talking about a series in which Lotus already competed? Or maybe they just used "return" just because it sounded better :D
The Talbot Sunbeam from the early 80's did have a Lotus engine, didn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
I have been very disappeared by the lack of interest in this class. I can only think the FiA have had pressure placed on them by WRC Manufacturers in case the GT’s are more spectacular.
Let’s hope this Lotus Exige is the start of a few more coming in. Maybe the sport will gain a bit more respect having proper cars, rather than family runarounds as the basis for Rally cars.
Oh right, the Cortina and the Sunbeam, I didn't thought about them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Well, even if was just the engine by Lotus of that cars, now "return" could make sense...
If anyone had a go from Porsche, their GT 911 should also be quite easy to homologate for the GT class. Are any firm working on that process ?
Timo Bernhard is driving official Porsche in German championship.
Some early Chevettes had Lotus cylinder heads, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hsmed
Yes, but this one only have a national approval, has it not? Are there any initiatives to fia approve it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Here the official Lotus countdown to Frankfurt:
Lotus Cars - Frankfurt International Motor Show 2011
they are not saying more than what we know already, "the return of Lotus to another adrenalin filled motorsport discipline."
Hmm... I see in the section "Motorsport" of that website, that Lotus is already in maaany series, so "another motorsport" could rally mean rallying...
Some interesting stage time comparisons of the Penske GT3 Cup ST vs. ex-WRC, Grp N, S2000, etc. at Rallye Wartburg (tarmac).
In The Garage: Penske Sportwagenzentrum 911 GT3 Cup ST
Especially, it says "motorsport discipline". Just another GT racing series hardly counts as another discipline. Also, they might not join a specific series (i.e. IRC or WRC), but just sell cars and support for the rally "discipline". So I think the formulation fits well. We will see on Tuesday...Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Some good times, though it helps having a driver of Timo's class. A very underrated driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by CurtEgerer
Yes, I think that in the case they join rallying, it would be in this way. Anyway, can't wait for Tuesday to see the car!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
So, the Lotus Exige R-GT has been revealed:
Google Traduttore
Thoughts?
Yes, here it is also with direct quote from Claudio Berro, who is responsible for this project - Autosport (or in english Google PYeklada)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
More details on the Exige R-GT, including quotes and technical details:
Lotus Cars - The Return of Lotus to Rally
The Lotus brings back memories when there were cars like Porsche 911, Renault Alpine, Lancia Stratos and Lancia 037 in international rallies.