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First on track Buemi - 1.26.395 and Barrichello - 1.26.715 just a few minutes ago, nobody else on track.
ahh, the team complaining that other teams would still use a double diffuser and it's unfair has... a double diffuser!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Does Ferrari still have ANY credibility left whatsoever?
Ah, so that's where Darth Vader left his head gear.....Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Maybe I didn't get it but didn't they say that they still thought the double diffuser legality was a bit of a stresch... however some teams seem to have bent the rules this year even more... like really beyond the breaking point??Quote:
Originally Posted by RJL25
However I don't want to make you understand things you want to misunderstand. My apologies.
Quick update just before 2pm:
1. Massa (Ferrari) - 1:13.088 (44 laps)
2. de la Rosa (Sauber) +0.159 (39)
3. Rosberg (Mercedes) +0.455 (39)
4. Paffett (McLaren) +0.804 (52)
5. Barrichello (Williams) +1.361 (42)
6. Kubica (Renault) +2.210 (37)
7. Buemi (STR) +6.191 (8)
Hard to tell without watching the sessions on TV but the Renault time isn't looking good, whereas Sauber is better than I thought. But that all depends on how good a benchmark Massa's time is...lets see what happens this afternoon
I knew that Sauber would be quick, and even though it's just the first morning it's looking good for them.
I hope Renault are not going for fast times because that's what they are not at the moment.
PS I wonder if there's a problem at Toro Rosso as Buemi's only done 8 laps and is just over 6 seconds down on Massa and de la Rosa.
Amazing how everybody came up with a different idea there!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
And already quicker than Rosberg!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Barrichello ran out of gas. :laugh:
I think he would be the first of many this season! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I didn't know that Button was testing today. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Position Number Driver Team Time Gap Laps
1º 7 Felipe Massa Ferrari 00:01'12''574 101
.2º 26 Pedro De la Rosa Sauber 00:01'12''784 00:00'00''210 74
.3º 3 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 00:01'12''947 00:00'00''373 40
.4º 4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 00:01'13''543 00:00'00''969 39
.5º 28 Gary Paffet McLaren 00:01'13''846 00:00'01''272 86
.6º 9 Rubens Barrichello Williams 00:01'14''449 00:00'01''875 75
.7º 16 Sebastian Buemi Toro Rosso 00:01'14''762 00:00'02''188 18
.8º 11 Robert Kubica Renault 00:01'15''000 00:00'02''426 69
Positive surprises:
-DLR: although they were probably running very low fuel to attract sponsors, they were consistent the whole day, with Pedro being the fastest driver for a loooong time, till the final 5 minutes rush.
-MSC: although he is who he is, and the track was faster in the afternoon, it is good to see him back in good shape, beating ROS.
Not surprises:
-McLaren: ok, 1 second off the pace, but we all know BUT and HAM are a lot faster than Paffet. Not worried about McLaren.
Negative surprises:
-We don't know about Renault, but we are certain that Williams was running on veeery light fuel loads (apparently Rubens stopped his car in the middle of the track with an empty fuel tank), and they were still 2 seconds off the pace in a "70seconds circuit". That's a lot IMO. 2 seconds difference here is 3 seconds and a half in Bahrain (now a "100seconds circuit")
- Poor reliability in the STR, with BUE only being able to put just a few laps due to a broken gearbox.
And please... don't start with the old "test times are not important" cliche, cause after Brawn last year it was clearly demonstrated that they do matter indeed, in 90% of the cases.
And please, don't start with the old "test times are not important" cliche, cause after Brawn last year it was clearly demonstrated that they matter indeed, in 90% of the cases.
Hmm, maybe Sauber are going to "do a Brawn" this year.
I can imagine Kubica is not a happy boy after today....
Test times are certainly important, it's just that we don't know the kind of fuel loads each team was running, and the kind of program they were working on. That makes it difficult to judge ultimate pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pulidor
The real evidence comes at the first race :s mokin:
True but I think Pulidor is correct in some of his assumptions....Williams clearly ran light, were off the pace and car look unbalanced. STR had poor reliability.
Mac ran consistently in hands of Paffet but as said he's no Lewis or Jenson.
Absolutely, although if it is genuine pace, then Sauber have every reason to be a bit excitedQuote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
What makes me cautious about Ferrari, is that they looked like a frontrunner during the whole winter last year only to narrowly make it into Q3 in the opening races.
Sauber? Well, their pace certainly doesn't surprise me, explained in the launch thread (BMW-Sauber was pretty good in late-09 and current car has been developed with decent funds so far), but there is a slight unclear question in the air - considering that they have no sponsors, are they trying to "do a Prost" and attract some? Then again last year the same was thought about Brawn, but they were for real. So the real outcome remains to be seen.
But I think I'm going to wait until the end of that 3-day testing programme and some insider information/comments about the whole situation before giving a judgement on the general pecking order.
P.S. It looks like Schumacher is the Real Six-Tenths-Man. :D He has already improved the time just as much after taking over from Rosberg. :p :
And Renault must be horrified!! They might be as slow as the car looks! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
Here is a short video with a bit of the new Mercedes in the hands of Michael.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bJ0I-5Ea-Q :)
I dont know, with the car looking "bland" they may have improvments to it already in the pipeline and also there is the possibility of Kubica tesing running the car on full tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by maximilian
Like Arrows said, the first factor of where everyone is at will be Bahrain on March 14th
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4z2Vx6hniw
Take a look at the BMW Sauber.
It seems as it is the fastest car of them all.
Well done! Fast out of the box.
The MacLaren was late in the session once again painted in flow wiz.
Not a good sign, not at all!
Great first test, makes me anxious for the next one. I'm happy for Felipe, Perdo and Michael, disappointed that Jenson wasn't driving today, though.
Hmmm... If the car is the real deal, I would slightly feel sorry for one thing! Trulli has said that he had negotiations with Sauber, but those ended pretty quickly after Peter asked for outlooks of bringing sponsorship. Shame about Jarno missing out a good car just because he isn't a paydriver. I suspect this is also why Heidfeld fell out of contention pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
so where can I see the testing online, I missed it today
PM me if it is an issue for the mods
James Allen speculates, that the weak teams will drive with lesser fuel which will translate to -1,5 secs of pace. Check his blog, it is interesting.
Funny how at the end of the vid there's this random Spanish guy shouting "¡va roto!" (it's broken!) when the rattling engine of Massa's car passes by :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
(sigh)
Well...sorry there jens, but I can't agree with you here. AFAIK, DLR is not bringing any sponsor to the team (actually, Sauber is still sponsorless).Thus, he can't be considered a pay driver. He himself jokingly stated on several media sources (I heard him on two national radios) that he wishes he could be a pay driver to help the team economically, but that's not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Besides that, IMO Jarno, Nick, and Pedro are all in the same league: not bad drivers, but not WC material, and on the top of that Pedro is the best car developer out of those 3. All in all I think it's not such a bad choice for Sauber...
They used the paint ALL last year. I think it has become a part their development program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Poor old Robert Kubica. If the season pans out like the first test he's gonna have to get used to being lapped by his old car.
Is the engine cover on the McLaren attached to the rear wing?
http://images.gpupdate.net/large/144551.jpg
No. But it sits very snug to the elements of the wing.
Those experienced hands will know that today's first test was everyone just finding out if the car holds together and runs without bits "scraping" or overheating.
Paffett indicated that Mclaren ran full tanks and they were concentrating on the understeer effect from the new tyres - that has to be dialed out.
Rosberg rand in the AM while Schumi in the PM and temperature makes a big difference as well as fuel loads.
Same with Ferrari who ran Massa about 30 more laps than anyone else.
Nothing can be judged from this first day and probably the entire first test.
It is not accidental that Newey does not mind sitting out the first test. Adrian Newey is to design what Schumi is to racing driving - and Virgin may be concerned given his reply to a question during the Autosport show recently.
Only each team knows whether it is time to panic!!!
I think the Mercedes at the track is just a beautiful car - the best looking car so far I'd say - although I am expecting Red Bull to once again be the prettiest car by far. Sebastian "Mansell" Vettel could be the favorite this year to win - Adrian Newey remarked that Vettel reminds him a great deal of Nigel Mansell.
I think that the first test still is important, because you see how the car handles and then in the second one you just push. I don't think that RBR are missing it because Newey is genius - I believe that they are simply late, because they really wanted the 2009 title and one could speculate that they knew that this were their best shot. I also want to remind that Newey has produced not only brilliant cars, but some abominations as well. This is not to say that he can not produce a Brawn GP-like dominator; undoubtedly he can. But he might produce a turkey as well. IMO it is way too early to say that his team is favorite, I won't be surprised if they flop.
But I do agree that it is very premature to judge from times. Honestly, I think that the Sauber and maybe the Williams ran light, while McLaren and Renault were likely heavy. Ferrari and MercGP were likely in between. However, I believe that Michael was very impressive. They said that he wouldn't adapt to the car and he is fast right from the start. Same about Felipe. Some people thought that the injury would prevent him from performing well, but for now the signs are good.
That's why - and because it is fun - the test is important.
Quote:
Originally Posted by maximilian
As RK says:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81195Quote:
"I don't care about the times, the priority for today was different. Testing is not to be on top of the list. Last year the maximum fuel load was 60-70kg, so if someone was lighter the difference was about 30kg. This year you can find some cars running 30kg and some 150kg, which makes the gaps much bigger. It's important to be where we should be when it counts, in Bahrain."
Yeah, Mansell was an asshole too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Whichever team is the fastest on a given day, the people will hype that team to be a winner and a really fast car. Has been so eversince I made The Mistake and started reading internet forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88