WRC car on TG test track?

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27th February 2007, 14:51
StevoEvo

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Originally Posted by Doon

I know this isn't directly relevant to the WRC, but I have always wondered how a WRC car would do round the Top Gear test track and why they have never put one round it, anyone know why? The main reason they should is cos that the car is road legal and joe bloggs (a rich joe bloggs) could go out and buy one and drive it anywhere they want! Anyway it would be nice to see something wipe the floor with that thing with the silly, long name!

I would be curious as to what time the WRC would clock!
I also cannot see why they would,nt want to run this WRC feature, as they did it with a Renault F1 car
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/86864/...1_car_topgear/
27th February 2007, 14:58
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Viking

My bet is on.....WRC car :up:

Best time currently is the Koenigsegg CCX (Swedish version of Il Tempo Gigante :D ) at 1.17.6
The closest thing to a rally car must be the Mitsubishi Evo FQ 400 at
1.24.8

A full spec WRC car must be 7 sec faster than the road running Evo or... :rolleyes:

Yes but the Evo has a far higher top speed of 175mph and doesn't have a 32mm restrictor, has just about as much torque. The Evo was made to go fast on the road/track. A WRCar is specifically built to go fast on a rally stage. It wouldn't surprise me if the FQ-400 was faster than a WRCar on the TG circuit.
27th February 2007, 15:01
Captain VXR

I wonder if Top Gear could do a feature on Group B cars with all the evolutions of Audi Quattrohttp://www.stormloader.com/groupb/photos/audi.jpg http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/photos/snowy.jpg, RS1700T, RS200, 240RS, Celica Twin Cam, the never competed MR2, 911, 959, Stratos (not really a Group B car but almost as wild), 037, Delta Q4, 205 T16, Metro 6R4, R5 Turbo, Ascona 400, Manta 400, BX4 TC and get the team to make a Clio V6 into a Group B car
27th February 2007, 15:05
StevoEvo

[quote="turves"]The old versus new feature was an Escort Mk1 against a roadgoing Focus RS, and there was a Quattro against a roadgoing Mitsu Evo (VII I think), both rally cars lost!!!

I think I can remember the rally audi vs the Evo. Didnt they use an 83 long wheel model?
Would have liked to see how an 84 short wheel would do, or even better lets see a S1 against an Evo X...... :lips:
This clip from the old top gear has the 2 road going models
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoyxwWeFiP8
27th February 2007, 16:09
turves

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Originally Posted by StevoEvo

Didnt they use an 83 long wheel model?

Yes, they did. It was probably one of the slower cars they could've used. It would've been good to see either a Quattro S1, Delta S4 or 205 T16 Evo2 against the Mitsubishi, the result would've been a lot closer.
27th February 2007, 16:21
Flyinglex

Could someone possibly write where TGtrack results can be founded?
27th February 2007, 16:24
Doon

I'm sorry but if the road going Mitsubishi Evo 6 was up against a proper S1 or T16 rally car it wouldn't have been close at all, they would both eat the Evo for breakfast!
27th February 2007, 16:28
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by Flyinglex

Could someone possibly write where TGtrack results can be founded?

Here you are http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonb...times/thestig/
27th February 2007, 16:28
jonas_mcrae

I remember Top Gear featuring colin in the Focus in Silverstone, sliding all over the curves, looked very fast! but was beaten by the f1
27th February 2007, 16:58
Flyinglex

Thank u Subarunorway.
Look at monte results. WRX STI has aprox the same speed as N4 car. And here we can see difference of 11secs between WRC and N4 .http://www.wrc.com/page/StageTimes/0...200712,00.html
But there was hairpin and length of MC sss was 2.8kilometers
So i think possible for wrc to top the list/
27th February 2007, 17:17
Doon

Good point Flyinglex. I reckon there must be something better in terms of speed (mostly cornering speed) about the N4 when compared to a road going WRX STI, considering the price difference of about £60,000. I know the rally cars are built for a bumpy, if not car damaging road and not a race track, but i still reckon an N4 would be quicker than a road car. So yes the WRC car may have a chance! how long is the TG test track?
27th February 2007, 17:43
Doon

Does anyone remember the Stig driving a couple of 911's (one 4wd, one rwd) round the Millenium Stadium before the Cardiff SS in 2005? I heard that the 911's were about 10 secs slower than the best WRC car time set by Miggins. Anyone know exactly what time the 911's set?
27th February 2007, 18:25
Jaanus

I have that show on tape where they test the 2 911 on Cardiff super special. The times were:

2WD 911 1:12.0
4WD 911 1:11.5

I don't know what time Higgins set that year to win it, but last year Macus Grönholm won the stage with 1:01.5. But to be fair, the 911 is not really a supercar.
27th February 2007, 19:51
SubaruNorway

Fift Gear testing the Impreza

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/f...db0114c126.htm
27th February 2007, 20:21
jso1985

and the Cardiff SSS was an extremly twisty track, perfectly matched for WRC cars.
Rally cars in general aren't made for long straights, so I really doubt they can beat a supercar on a normal circuit.
As for the 1986 Estoril story, really need proofs to believe that, the track's main straight is about 1km lenght and F1 cars reached easliy more than 300 km/h there
27th February 2007, 20:27
cut the b.s.

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Originally Posted by Doon

Good point Flyinglex. I reckon there must be something better in terms of speed (mostly cornering speed) about the N4 when compared to a road going WRX STI, considering the price difference of about £60,000. I know the rally cars are built for a bumpy, if not car damaging road and not a race track, but i still reckon an N4 would be quicker than a road car. So yes the WRC car may have a chance! how long is the TG test track?

I was talking to a top GpN driver recently, he said his standard road going Evo was faster than his rally one!! Wouldnt last long in a forest though.
27th February 2007, 20:37
Daniel

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Originally Posted by cut the b.s.

I was talking to a top GpN driver recently, he said his standard road going Evo was faster than his rally one!! Wouldnt last long in a forest though.

Yes. People don't seem to get this though.....
27th February 2007, 20:56
SubaruNorway

Of cours a Evo would do like 250kph as it doesen't have a restrictor and high ratio gearbox but the N4 has a different cpu and low ratio gearbox so on a track like Monte Carlo sss i think the N4 is faster
27th February 2007, 21:35
pentti

Henry himself told me about this Estoril test that he would have been 5th in F1 grid but you have to remember that he was comparing both car types in wet. I still not believed then and now.But maybe he was.
I once tested T 16 evo with 5th wheel attached on back to record accurate for Autocar mag. From standing start on dry tarmac it took 2,7 seconds to reach 60 miles/hour, which at time were some 0,2 second faster than F1. But I never got perfect start. Either too much wheel spin or not enough. Over 500 horse power was too much for me. When you changed to 6th gear fiber class doors started open little and you could see road under the doors. No protection but the biggest problem was to be able to change gears quick enough. I mean in that type run i had to change in H-pattern from 1st to 3rd under total time of 2,7 seconds!
The car I would like to see in TG so called track would be Rod Millen,s Toyota truck, which he used in Pikes Peaks. Over 800 horses, 4wd, big wings and light. Eat your heart out super cars!
28th February 2007, 04:53
WRCfan

Remember everyone it's not how fast you go around the track but how sideways you do it and how much rubber is left planted on the track (evil grin breaks out)
28th February 2007, 08:18
janneppi

Isn't that drifting, the ski ballet of motorsports? ;)
28th February 2007, 09:41
Daniel

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Isn't that drifting, the ski ballet of motorsports? ;)

:laugh: Sooooooo true. Drifting is the most useless "sport" in the world after Drifting, Drifting and Drifting.
28th February 2007, 09:53
Iskald

It must have snowed!

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Originally Posted by pentti

Henry himself told me about this Estoril test that he would have been 5th in F1 grid but you have to remember that he was comparing both car types in wet. I still not believed then and now.But maybe he was.
I once tested T 16 evo with 5th wheel attached on back to record accurate for Autocar mag. From standing start on dry tarmac it took 2,7 seconds to reach 60 miles/hour, which at time were some 0,2 second faster than F1. But I never got perfect start. Either too much wheel spin or not enough. Over 500 horse power was too much for me. When you changed to 6th gear fiber class doors started open little and you could see road under the doors. No protection but the biggest problem was to be able to change gears quick enough. I mean in that type run i had to change in H-pattern from 1st to 3rd under total time of 2,7 seconds!
The car I would like to see in TG so called track would be Rod Millen,s Toyota truck, which he used in Pikes Peaks. Over 800 horses, 4wd, big wings and light. Eat your heart out super cars!

Maybe it had snowed on Estoril, pentti?

Your story about the T16 just goes to show that the Group B cars were awesome "creatures" anyhow. And scary too I believe. There was a lot of Ford RS200 cars in Norway during the glory days of rallycross (after Groub B were banned from rallying). Martin Schanche ran a 2.2 litre version believed to have around 700 hp. But the safety features in the car, the roll cage etc., was ridiculous. I don`t know if the ground was visible in 6th gear in the Ford, but it probably was. Group B cars will forever stay as the icons of rallying, but as story also reminds us, they were deadly machines.

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