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9th January 2010, 16:50
OldF

Erik Carlsson: Monte

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...Erik_Monte.jpg
9th January 2010, 16:52
OldF

Erik Carlsson: Midnightsun rally

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/i...idnightsun.jpg
9th January 2010, 17:03
pettersolberg29

What book is that from OldF?
9th January 2010, 17:08
OldF

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

What book is that from OldF?

Rallying with BP, 1965
9th January 2010, 17:21
pettersolberg29

Thanks.
11th January 2010, 15:51
Tom206wrc

If Saab goes to Bernie Ecclestone NO CHANCE of a rally car in the future :rolleyes:

If it goes to Spyker no chance neither as the dutch brand runs on circuit though :s
27th January 2010, 09:41
bluuford

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Originally Posted by Tom206wrc

If Saab goes to Bernie Ecclestone NO CHANCE of a rally car in the future :rolleyes:

If it goes to Spyker no chance neither as the dutch brand runs on circuit though :s

It seems that Spyker has bought Saab and I would say that in terms of possible rally future it was better chance :-)
27th January 2010, 10:49
Daniel

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Originally Posted by bluuford

It seems that Spyker has bought Saab and I would say that in terms of possible rally future it was better chance :-)

Considering that Spyker have never turned a profit in their life I wouldn't hold my breath.
27th January 2010, 10:57
Daniel

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Yep. I picked up an 85 just like that in 1995 for $150 in Boston. 16v B204 5 speed no turbo---sold the electric window winders for $75 each and the rad for $85 9and shoved in a spare new one i had laying around.
Excellent car! Cruise all day at 85mph/135 km/hr and got decent mileage.
But those 2 door with a boot were hyper rare in USA.

Saab USA decided we all want either 3 door (hatch) or 4 door versions of this car (with tiny fawkin front doors!!! I thought kids were small and adults like me big, WTF do the wee little curtain climbers get a larger rear door for?) so only 1500 ever imported....I've seen 5 maybe and I was in the Saab repair and rally business!!!

This shell, 2 door with boot, but turbo and maybe power steering is what many of my hundreds of 96 customers said they wanted.

Dra åt skogen me' dig!

Oops Saab USA was HQed in Connecticut so they wouldn't tell you to get lost with the Swedish phrase "Head for the woods!" it would probably be closer to "Fawk youse youse fawkin fawk!"
That's what the message was.

And I agree when they sold those Calibras as "900s" ugh!
(By the way did you know that the "Opel 900" took only 39% of the man-hours to assemble as the "real 900" did? Not 39% less time, 39% of the time for final assembly on the line at Trollhättan.

It fooled nobody.

Final example:
1995 Summer National Championship (or as i call it Nationella Champignonskit)
round in Maine. I win our version of F2 called Group 2 for 2wd cars only and was 9th overall in my trusty ol 1969 V4
http://www.rallyrace.net/jvab/spgm/g...an%20maine.jpg

I call Saab with results---they paid fantastic by US standards then, unbelievable good by the standards in USA now= zero!!) and what do they say (you have to imagine some upper class Brit twit so BOTHERED to speak of such piddling annoyances as mere 800-900 dollars) "Really now John, isn't it about time that you begin to think of something just a bit newer than that old 69.....?"

So being a wee bit offended I said "Funny you should mention that....."
Saab: "Ooooooooh Reeeaaaaly??"

Me "yeah, I have a nice '73 96 shell I was starting to prep...."
Saab ..."(groan)"

Cool picture :)

Old Saab's are just cool :) There is a red 96 around here which is still rallied :thumb:

GM just didn't "get" Saab, that's for sure.
27th January 2010, 12:33
Rallyper

Anders Norstedt a well known rally and rallycross driver in Sweden told the local radiostation this morning that he´d do everything to make Saab comeback to rallying again in some way or another now that Saab will go on living.

He also said that there was a couple of 4WD prototypes of the 900 model running in the beginning of 80´s but new bosses at Saab turned that project down because they didnt believe in 4WD at the time. Which unfortenately was a big wrong decision back then.
27th January 2010, 12:59
JFL

So Anders wanted to prove them wrong and built one himself.. To bad the budget was a bit too small.. But mr. Eklund sure made it fly later on.. ;)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5246/scan0028lr2.png
27th January 2010, 13:15
driveace

Eric and saab

rally photo,s_0006.jpg
Brilliant man Eric,used to walk round when we were servicing,in the 70/80s and always stopped for a chat
this guy also could make a 96 go,as could his team mate Per Ekland
27th January 2010, 15:34
Saabaru

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]There is no suitable car for building S2000 in Saab's portfolio.

9x concept! GM was trying to sell it by itself before Spiker came along. The word is its been ready to go but GM wouldn't give the funding to put it into production.

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Originally Posted by Woodeye

I agree 100 %. GM, job well done. Only morons like the ones in GM manage to kill such as great brand. I never got to own a Saab and now I never will get one.

The fact that GM got Saab to turn a profit in 2007 for the first time since long before they ever considered buying the brand would argue otherwise.

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Originally Posted by RS

It's about time they closed down GM themselves, they've already lost something like $1.5bn since "emerging from bankrupcy"

I couldn't agree more, no room in the world for government made cars. The good news is Saab might not go down with them. Word from U.S. news papers is that Spiker will take over the Saab brand for the bargain price of $76M but GM will retain $366M in common stock options. I'm trying to remain optimistic and hopeful for Saab! I'll get mine on the rally stages one day!
27th January 2010, 15:39
Daniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saabaru

9x concept! GM was trying to sell it by itself before Spiker came along. The word is its been ready to go but GM wouldn't give the funding to put it into production.

The fact that GM got Saab to turn a profit in 2007 for the first time since long before they ever considered buying the brand would argue otherwise.

I couldn't agree more, no room in the world for government made cars. The good news is Saab might not go down with them. Word from U.S. news papers is that Spiker will take over the Saab brand for the bargain price of $76M but GM will retain $366M in common stock options. I'm trying to remain optimistic and hopeful for Saab! I'll get mine on the rally stages one day!

Face it, they're dead. Spyker have NEVER turned a profit and over the last 2 years have sold 60 odd cars.....
28th January 2010, 05:58
Brother John

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Face it, they're dead. Spyker have NEVER turned a profit and over the last 2 years have sold 60 odd cars.....

Yes they´re dead before they start. Spyker said on TV that them wants to build cars in the same class as BMW and Audi! :(
If they cannot pay the European loan back in time the Swedish government must pay back that with tax money!
Tax money of the Swedish population!
I do not believe that Saab continue exist in Sweden with Spyker, the production can disappear also to the Netherlands or somewhere else!
How can the Swedish government trust a company which is present already deeply in the debts?
Then we not yet talk concerning deceiving the Dutch state with the accountancy of Spyker! Or the formula 1 team which he bought and had to sell after 1 year to pay the debts of Spyker.
GM had already taken the correct decision to let disappear Saab.
Of course to see Saab disappearing it not nice, but the financial drama will be continued! :confused:
28th January 2010, 09:03
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother John

Yes they´re dead before they start. Spyker said on TV that them wants to build cars in the same class as BMW and Audi! :(
If they cannot pay the European loan back in time the Swedish government must pay back that with tax money!
Tax money of the Swedish population!
I do not believe that Saab continue exist in Sweden with Spyker, the production can disappear also to the Netherlands or somewhere else!
How can the Swedish government trust a company which is present already deeply in the debts?
Then we not yet talk concerning deceiving the Dutch state with the accountancy of Spyker! Or the formula 1 team which he bought and had to sell after 1 year to pay the debts of Spyker.
GM had already taken the correct decision to let disappear Saab.
Of course to see Saab disappearing it not nice, but the financial drama will be continued! :confused:

I just read that quite a big share of that deal was also backed by Abu Dhabi
28th January 2010, 09:18
Tomi

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Originally Posted by Brother John

Yes they´re dead before they start. Spyker said on TV that them wants to build cars in the same class as BMW and Audi! :(

Agree, it takes years and huge amounts of money to build a image that Saab for sure dont have now, better if they would take a few steps back and build good reliable cars that works well even when its a little colder outside, bad also if they move the production away from Sweden, built in Sweden stands for quality.
28th January 2010, 10:14
Koppomsbo

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Originally Posted by Saabaru

I couldn't agree more, no room in the world for government made cars.

Then Saab is dead aswell, as there is swedish government who is backing up this.
28th January 2010, 11:25
Gordini

Volume seller

To many will like to become Merc and BMW.Audi managed to, but not many others.
SAAB need at least one smaller and cheaper car to be their volume seller, or they will never make money.
29th January 2010, 00:02
Saabaru

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Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Then Saab is dead aswell, as there is swedish government who is backing up this.

I thought they where only insuring the loan. :(
29th January 2010, 06:29
Brother John

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordini

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SAAB need at least one smaller and cheaper car to be their volume seller, or they will never make money.

Yes that´s what they need! The boss of Spyker only talks concerning sport cars or cars such as BMW and Audi.
Yes the Swedish government only insuring the loan, but what meant that for companies in these times?
31st January 2010, 22:07
Saabaru

More good news!

"Saab and Spyker
Over the last few days many of you will have seen the enormous media coverage surrounding the ownership of Saab. On the 26th of January General Motors and Spyker Cars NV, led by CEO Victor Muller confirmed the details of a binding agreement over the purchase of Saab Automobile AB. The transaction is expected to close in February and Saab Automobile will exit the orderly wind down process in line with that timetable. Saab´s future as an independent company is secured.
For the latest information, interviews and to see what others are saying about us please visit the Saab Newsroom."

newsroom.saab-web.com
31st January 2010, 22:20
Saabaru

Now Spyker needs to get the 9X in production and market it much like Subaru and Mitsubishi does the Impreza and Lancer. Have and economy car that most people can afford without breaking the bank but also have a have a big brother like the STI or EVO that will get people's attention.

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