What's your problem fousto?
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What's your problem fousto?
Massa is making it a habit!
I know it's only practice. Bla, bla, bla!
you are acknowledging that Massa is inferior to Rak??????Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Don't think that has been proven yet
No I don't! In fact I hope Felipe comes out on top. But why are you so in rage?Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
I think a lot of people hear (or read) the name Massa and think 'Sauber, 2003'. Ok, so the Ferrari was a really good car last year, but it was ( as shown by Michael Schumacher) still a car designed around the usual Ferrari/Byrne principles of design, which make the most of the fact it oversteers more than it understeers, and that helps the driver's style. The last time Massa had a car like that, he threw it at the scenery, but he didn't do that in '06. He just isn't the same driver, he has learned! Ferrari doesn't hire anyone as a test driver in the middle of a huuuuge rule change (single-tyre rule 04-05) who crashes the car all the time.
Put it this way, every team boss in F1 ever has always said it's much easier to make a quick driver consistent, than to make a consistent driver quick! What we are seeing with Massa is that stage where he is still quick, and is consistent. It's not 2003 and he's not in a Sauber!
If the driver does not learn this consistency he is unreliable and prone to errors even when not running on the edge, we saw this with Alesi all through his career even in the DTM! That is the difference between potential and evidence. In Massa we are seeing evidence combined with potential, same as Raikkonen. Let's just say this year will be a challenge for them both, but that may prove to be too much of a challenge for Ferrari to balance this with their own needs as a team without a definitive focal point for the team, such as Schumacher. I can't see either driver providing this at the present time.
I can quite easily see 4/5 drivers battling for this year's title, but I for one would definitely include Massa in that bunch :up: Hope so anyway!
Massa should flourish even more this year, with the continuing spur of competition from Kimi. What was it that Mario Andretti once said - you can tidy up speed, but you can't speed up tidiness. Perhaps that phrase applies to Massa more than most.
I am rooting for Massa.
If the team does it's job, Massa will be the new champ.
Based on what? Massa is better than Kimi? Dream on...Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Heh...you guys will get sooooo disappointed during the season.
And Kimi is better because he has won 0 WDC after numerous seasons with Mclaren :?:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Massa is cleaning up the lazy drunkard Kimi during testing and hopefully will carry this form into the race calendar.
Go Massa :up:
Brave words RA :) It'll be quite something if you're proved right :s mokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
Sure....Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
race amigo, Ferrari always does the job, so it will be up to Massa...and Kimi ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
It will be very interesting to see the car reliability of BOTH cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Remember how Ruben's car was the one that almost always went kaputs.
Michael's positive reliability ratio must be another of his many records.
Only time will tell on this one and I hope both drivers get equall treatment from their team.
race
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Now 555, remember, this is a family forum, and there are Finns reading the board. Watch your language, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Let him have his fun, while it lasts... I'm quite happy to rub it in, when the season starts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannex
Just getting the blood boiling for the start of the season boys ;) Makes life more...interesting on the forum :p :
I quite like Massa. In fact, now Schumacher is retired, I'd be happy to support Ferrari. And this is not MS bashing, he just rubbed me up the wrong way with his arrogance, and his driving into people tactics. I don't despute he was one of the best drivers though, I just never liked the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by raphael123
And, as a parallel with Senna, at least Senna admitted he rammed Prost on purpose, has MS admitted to the Hill/Villeneuve stuff? So I cannot see MS being revered in years to come like Senna is....
Guys. Please dont dig too much into testing. Look at Massa's history. He is just way too inconsistent. There is no way he can beat Kimi over the full season. Unless the F2007 becomes like the F2004 and Kimi screws up too much, I just cant see Massa becoming WDC.
Over the course of a complete race, Massa just does not have the consistency. His lap times will show that he is not WDC material. Mark my words Felipe is just not good enough to win WDC.
Let's wait and see F1rocks, all we can do is wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by f1rocks
What we do know for sure is that it's going to be dam interesting.
This new season, with all it's changes is a wonderful thing for us that go nuts with F1.
I can't wait for those red lights to go green and see the cars go for that first corner . . . .
Can't wait.
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I wouldn't blame it on practice. Massa has been running the latest spec Aero, intended for Australia. Seems to be a good step up from the debut spec aero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Kimi has been pretty close to Massa in all testing and most of the time in either year old, or old spec equipment.
From what I read the only time Kimi got to run the Aussie spec aero was Wednesday afternoon. All fast times have been set in the morning, including massa's.
Think about that for a little before jumping to conclusion...
quite right, i did jump the gun. in fact i don't belirve that kimi has even run a quali setup in practice. perhaps in the eyes of ferrari massa needs the practice more. we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjanicke
Never write Kimi off! How many times did he drive the tires off a fuel-laden McLaren from back to front in the field because of the Merc engine's frailty? Kimi can drive a race car...if the car can stay together! Single lap times are pretty meaningless - hasn't Badoer even broken lap records at Fiorano in the past from time to time?
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Poor RA, you might be left waiting for a good moment, given that in F1 the lights do not go green anymore, they just turn the red lights off... :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
They also call an active track a Green Light condition.
What would be do without you, smart ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazz9908
I'd be surprised if Kimi can't beat Massa for most of the year. But that's just based on what's been proven over the course of the last 2 years of racing, and not on the off-season.
Having an improving Massa in the team should help Kimi, as it will help to keep him focussed and motivated. Both drivers will be forced to keep raising their game.
Massa will easily beat Kimi, I predicted that that will happen already last year. In fact, I actually made a bet with someone here on that, if only i could remember who it was and what was it on.
That would be me, obviously! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I think I can dig out the bet thread from somewhere just to see what's in it...
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Ok, found it - the conversation went like this:
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Originally Posted by Juppe
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
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Originally Posted by Juppe
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Originally Posted by Garry Walker
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Originally Posted by Juppe
Awesome :D :D :D :D :D
btw: i didnt think the old motorsport forum archives werent available anymore?
I'm not sure if they really are, but the "Massa" thread sort of lingers there still:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
http://archive.motorsportforums.com/...=&pagenumber=1
Yep, as have Massa, and Gene. In fact, the only driver I don't remember breaking lap records at Fiorano and Mugello in Ferrari testing is Eddie Irvine! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
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Originally Posted by Osella
Did Irvine actually ever do much testing at Mugello and Fiorano?
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"Some people have been making something of the fact that, mostly, I have been fractionally quicker than Kimi, but I do not see it as anything significant. For sure, testing is testing and the racing is racing. But I can say that I am very happy with the way things went. I was very familiar with the car and I know the team personnel and how they all work and everything was going pretty well. Kimi on the other hand was still learning and getting to know the team. Now we will see what happens in Melbourne, as this is the moment that the answer comes."
He knows what is coming... ;)
Every smart diver should be cautious. you never know what can happen.
Yep, he's downplaying his chances to increase the pressure on KR, not bad at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Yeah, soon we'll get the answer, who is a better psychologist, Shalafi or ioan. :)