He managed to beat Alonso on merit and gave Renault its only win in 2004 at Monaco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
And when was Trulli ever in a top car that could fight for a championship?
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He managed to beat Alonso on merit and gave Renault its only win in 2004 at Monaco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
And when was Trulli ever in a top car that could fight for a championship?
Jarno could do NASCAR if he really applied himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
The qustion is:
Does he want to come to the states and invest 3 to 5 years to the decipline?
I think not, but I for one would welcome him if he did!
I'd say in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2009 he has had race-winning cars and race-winning opportunities, yet has just not been quick enough or ruthless enough to take advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
He outpaced Alonso in about three races during 2004, one of which happened to be Monaco which he managed to win - and he drove well in that race.
You're asking a lot because Trulli is nothing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Bahrain this year Toyota gave Trulli a crap strategy.
Renault in 03/04 were on the periphery of the best team/car and will take a great driver to consistently outdrive the car.
When were Toyota ever in contention for a win in 2005? They were strong points finishers.
The 2005 Toyota was capable of more, Trulli doesn't have the ability to go the extra step to victory. Neither really did Ralf Schumacher. With better driver choices, Toyota would have a few wins by now easily.
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Alonso was peaking as a driver, McLaren turned into the dominant car.
If we agree that Toyota had no special driver, Trulli is nothing special then surely a driver who at least deserved to win a race and yet never drove for a top team is not an "apalling record"? By that definition then surely, for example, Jean Alesi had apalling record with the cars he had driven?
Unlike drivers like Coulthard, Barrichello, Fisichella, even Ralf, etc, Trulli has never had a car of challenging for the championship. If those mentioned guys have managed to win as many races as they did, surely Trulli would have achieved at least the same with similar career opportunities. If anything, Trulli has never got a proper chance.
And Mr Bezza, the talk about 2005 "car capabilities and wins" seems more like your gut feeling rather than anything being based on evidence, I'm afraid. With such logic it's possible to criticize almost anyone, for instance like by saying that RBR had never won before this season and BMW-Sauber and BAR/Honda got only one (lucky) win due to crappy drivers.
I have to do my homework to watch f1? Good lord, I can watch and see how great it is that the f1 machines can stop, go and turn that fast but after 10 mins, if they don't pass each other it isn't racing. Most exciting tracks in the world? Maybe I will agree there, and I agree the tech is wonderful stuff, but I watch way more F1 qualifying than the actual races because at least the leaderboard for fastest laps changes. The running order in a GP only seems to change if someone muff's a pitstop. NASCAR is RACING. One car passing another, with 43 in the field all passing and repassing each other. Maybe ole Jarno misses actually RACING someone?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I don't Truilli is coming to NASCAR, but JPM caused a seismic shift in how NASCAR is perceived and if Jarno thinks he wants to try NASCAR on for size, he will find a more humbling racing culture to adapt to. He will have to sign autographs, not treat the press like crap, accept he has to race EVERY weekend, accept that the guys on the team work better when you don't treat them as invisible, and will have to earn everything he gets on the track, because there are no team orders, and there are no easy races or positions. Also, Turning left all day isn't what it seems once you start seeing the nuances of it.
I think most f1 fans are puzzled by the sudden interest by F1 drivers in NASCAR, but for me I think they have woken up to the fact it is a challenge that is partially there for any of them to do that will push them for one, and for two, is not tied to what team's 500 million dollar budget was spent best. In NASCAR, having a good ride doesn't guarntee you much, but being a good communicator with a team, and learning the nuances of stock racing means you determine your fate, not the team princpal or the car. 43 cars start races in the Sprint Cup every weekend, about 25 of them are capable of winning......you don't see that in f1.
Its because everybody in European or British racing knows how bad they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
If Trulli thinks that the good ole boys will take kindly to some skinny furriner with an accent more familiar in NYC than Charlotte - he is in for a rude awakening.
Ha Ha Good one!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
The rest of your post = Top Shelf! :up: :s mokin:
Jarno out to have a little fun, and we have
forum members fighting over what it means :laugh:
:rotflmao:
Good post. Nascar is so much different from F1 that few drivers, if any, can make the switch. JPM was an exception and it took him 3 years and he has still to win a race on the ovals, but he will in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
An in addition to everything stated above, in Nascar the drivers can pound down those Quarter Pounders without any fear of not fitting in the car :D . No wonder Trulli is looking at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Real racing, real athletes.
http://www.nascaroad.com/wp-content/...ny-stewart.jpg
Hmm, Stewart's always been the epitome of fitness :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Juan Pablo may have yet to win an oval race, but I think his position in the championship says a lot more about his adaptation to NASCAR. It takes a while to become consistent, and Juan has done that. There's no doubt he is quick, and he has a quick car, but IMO his opponents are in fractionally better ones.
That kind of stupid stereotyping went out with the last century.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
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If Trulli thinks that the good ole boys will take kindly to some skinny furriner with an accent more familiar in NYC than Charlotte - he is in for a rude awakening.
What do you expect from a New York *** ? :eek: :grenade:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
OK Even Steven :laugh:
You haven't seen his posts on the F1 board comparing the USF1 effort to Nazi Germany, I take it? Oh yeah... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
Yeah, NASCAR drivers are real fit :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
From Jayski:
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Carl Edwards on cover of ESPN The Magazine 'Body Issue': #60-Carl Edwards is one of six cover athletes who will appear on ESPN The Magazine's cover for its inaugural "Body Issue". The Body Issue, on newsstands Friday, Oct. 9, will feature nearly 80 athletes from a variety of sports in a celebration and exploration of the athletic form. The issue honors athletes of diverse shapes, sizes, genders and races within the boundaries of taste and frontiers of creativity upon which ESPN The Magazine and ESPN have built their reputations. It is a testament to the work the athletes do, the effort they exert and the price they sometimes pay in reliance on their most important asset - their bodies.(ESPN PR)(10-8-2009)
Who is Carl Edwards? A motorcycle racer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
http://www.carledwards.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
http://www.carledwards.com/Websites/...ESPNmag185.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Indeed they are.
It's comical. People take shots at Tony Stewart, yet he continues to win. He has won at every type of car he has sat in, and sits in a lot of cars every year. He ran the IRL and won there, and was probably as porky in appearance as he is now. In fact, people covering NASCAR have said he has actually lost weight this past year. He is a naturally stocky and tough looking guy. Ryan Newman is another no-neck wonder who at first appearence looks out of shape. Yet both are capable of running up front. Beware of appearences in NASCAR. Being in shape is an asset, but the lean jockey builds of f1 guys are not needed since the car isn't a pencil with some void to pour 150 lbs. of driver into. What Stewart lacks in svelte sleek lines he makes up for in brute strength. He would turn one of those f1 weasels inside out if he felt like it.
Jarno I am sure will find out that his fitness would be an asset BUT NASCAR is a combination of things, and a rude change of culture for a driver. JPM took to it like a duck to water, and I didn't think he would. Cant wait to watch how any of the other Euro rejects coming to NASCAR adapt.
Nobody said Stewart couldn't win because he is porky, just that he is porky. I however cannot comment on matters of size and stomachly girth :D , I'm probably a stone or two heavier than I should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Stewart must be a fit guy because of the demands of NASCAR, but compare him to Carl Edwards, Jarno and even Juan Pablo, and I doubt he has their endurance.
I've never taken to Stewart personally, he seems a little too arrogant for my taste, but that doesn't have anything to do with his weight I can assure you.
He has had enough endurance to win 2 championships and a lot of races. What is more, he ran to top 10 finishs at Indy and then the 600 in Charlotte later than night twice. Stewart is like his hero, AJ Foyt, just one tough SOB.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
As for his personality, he is the closest in personality to Dale Sr. Sometimes grouchy and sarcastic, but under it all a really good guy. Just don't tell anyone that, he denies it....
I couldn't care less what Stewart can or cannot do. The fact is he is overweight and wouldn't fit in an F1 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
I doubt whether being able to fit in an F1 car worries Tony Stewart too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I'm sure it doesn't. The point is you can be out of shape and still succesful.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Tony Stewart has to spend a lot of time running his own successful two-car Sprint Cup team, other race teams at lower levels, his own race track, his charitable foundation, which includes the successful "Prelude to a Dream", and other things that I'm probably not aware of.
If the only thing he was capable of doing was to drive in 18 or 19 races a year, he'd have a lot more time spend in the gym and monitoring his diet. He can, and does, do a lot more than just drive a race car.
Tony Stewart is awesome - great driver and his charity work would put a lot of other drivers to shame.
You got that right. I doubt that there are many drivers as involved as tony in so many different functions, and he is still one of the best in nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
There are few drivers in NASCAR, or any other form of auto racing, that are capable of doing the things that Tony does. And Tony does them well.Quote:
Originally Posted by muggle not