But he proved his point with numbers too!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Perhaps, when you look at the numbers from different pespectives they have more than one meaning?
Waddayathink? :)
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But he proved his point with numbers too!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Perhaps, when you look at the numbers from different pespectives they have more than one meaning?
Waddayathink? :)
You talking about manners? I didn't know that manners spread on the north side of the arctic circle. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
BTW I' really not interested in Kimi's future, he's just a lazy bum anyway.
I thought we are talking about recent capabilities not the mid 80's. Or should I come up with comparisons from teh 70's or 60's or even go all fantasy side and come up with some number Ferrari against McLaren n the 50's? Oh wait there was no McLaren back than. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I hope you see that the message is that a driver is looking for what a team achieved in the past few years not 20 years ago.
Anyway, I couldn't care less about Raikkonen's future, though he looks like he might have a nice career waiting for him in rallying.
:pQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
It's too easy to wind you up. I'll stop now.
Well certainly SD is no god. You are Ioan. And there can be only one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Dont stop. Go with Ceaucescian manners, thatīll make our day.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
On a serious note: Im almost certain, that Ioan is not a person at all. It must be a program designed to automatically sense certain names and phrases (massa, schumacher, tifosi, kimi) and reply to them according to some Transsilvanian logic and preformulated bs.
His posts (and there are a few) form almost an evangelic, biblical folklore. A lot like bible: persistant folklore, but still mainly bs.
Maybe they should make him a moderator. It would be like North Korea. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Need to gang up in order to throw these petty insults?! :laugh:
Oh no! Hans Blix.... :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
PML :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
I think he called at my house last Sunday with a copy of Watchtower :D
way to go buddy... teach him some manners... he insults one or a group of members of this forum at times... you just managed to insult 1.5-2 billion people in one sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
Wow, do we have that many members viewing this thread? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
I knew there was an Ioan supporter somewhere! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eu
That statement does send out the impression that you think you are always right. Some people on here do distort reality in the heat of debate and you my friend are also guilty of this from time to time... You also admitted the other day to saying things simply to wind people up, and I can even hold my hands up to that one... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Let's just all agree and live happily ever after. Imagine how nice of discussion that would be:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Me: Button took out Grosjean!
You: You're right!
Knockie: Yeah, Jenson made a mistake!
So, do we agree?
Sounds good to me ioan and yes I agree fully with you... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Its not the disagreeing I have a problem with, its the arrogance in which it is delivered.
Has to be a world record then. What do I win? Bytheway I think the number is a lot bigger... maybe 3-4 billion. And who cares... if Im wrong Im fukced, if Im right those 4 billion are just ignorant fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Why would anyone care really.
By pure logic the ignorant would be you since you bet everything on something that gives you no hope. Those fools might not be right and thatīs all they lose while thatīs the best you could ever hope for :laugh: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzeidzei
So you see Dex, I'm not Ioan's supporter (not even close) but I think itīs silly to judge someoneīs manners and make statements like that... especially on a motorsport forum...Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
And to add to my ignorance: I would never understand how that would give me no hope. Iīd prefer to make most of it while Im here and not wait for something illogical and untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
But people have every right to believe what they want. On my part it was a bad choice of analogy to company Ioan and religious people. Sorry :)
But this doesnt belong here. This does: Kimi will absolutely race in F1 next year. He still wants to win and is looking for an option that could give him that chance.
The idea of Ferrari getting rid of him is so full of stupidity that it needs no words. But they did choose Badoer, so nothing would surprise me anymore.
Would Kimi play unconditional second fiddle to Hamilton is the question. He won't go that way.
This rumor has always been pretty pathetic if you ask me. It has been going on since Kimi's day one at Ferrari. It was even on here the day before he won the WDC, the day he won it, and the day after.
Alonso is very risky, Kimi and Massa seem to be good together. Will Alonso be a good team player?
Would Ferrari risk losing a world champion and a would-be-champion who play well together after the whole saga at McLaren?
Massa has very good connections at Ferarri, almost like Hamilton and McLaren with Ron. Surely Nicolas Todt would see it a bad idea...
The quintessential modern grand prix driver is obsessed with every aspect of the sport: mental acuity, physical training, technical aspects of the chassis as well as the engine, interpersonal communication skills, team building, and perhaps a host of things I haven't even imagined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Many grand prix drivers from a bygone era either got extremely lucky with an abundance of natural talent, got by through being outstanding in a particular aspect, or else failed because they were unable (or ignorant) of how to make the best of their abilities.
As you mentioned in another thread, Lauda perhaps pioneered this approach, (taking notes from Clark and Stewart). Prost IMO outdid Niki at his own game, and Schumacher is the most recent epitome of this approach.
I see Kimi more as a throwback to the classic 70s driver, like Hunt, Reggazoni, Depailler, Villenueve, K. Rosberg, and perhaps Gilles and Ronnie.
If Kimi went to Mclaren, he would get better treatment than Heikki does, that's for sure. At least the guys there understand that bs talk and waving hands about is not a reflection of someone's motivation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
Can't say that's false!Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Heikki hasn't the best help and treatment from his team!!
You're losing your time with these people.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Better then Heikki, sure. But on par with Hamilton?Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
Kimi was at McLaren at a long time, and I do however think that the team would prefer him to the wonderboy too, higher management however is up for debate.
I also remember Alonso saying in 2007 or 2008 that he had spoken to Kimi about McLaren hinted that Kimi wasn't happy there.
How were the politics at McLaren when Kimi left?
And who is to say that Ferrari think he isn't motivated? For all we know all this talk is rumor bull, and has nothing to do with the what's happening in Ferrari. After all do we have an insider to leak us some info about it? :p
And I will still say it regardless of whoever said anything. Kimi is the best driver out there, maybe Alonso is better - but that too is debatable.
The guys leading the championship pack right now aren't in the same league. And everyone knows it. KR is hot property, and if Ferrari don't want him, there are plenty that do. The only way this man will leave F1 is from his free will.
Prove it. Link, please. Otherwise stop that nonsense. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
He reminds me of a mix of Ronnie Peterson and James Hunt - no coincidence then that he used the name "James Hunt" to particiapte in an extremural racing event.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
He is not particularly interested in the technical side - he tells the engineers what he wants and then drives, letting the engineers do the technical part. This from Domenicali in an interview a year ago. And the Ferrari engineers like that.
Raikonnen is not obsessed with physical fitness in that long periods of excercise are not his thing. But he does excercise fir short periods everyday.
He has no particular interest in the team outside his personal need and even former teammates remark that outside the neccessary they did not really talk much at all.
Also, he has no interest at all in PR or "motivate"the team - he is there to drive and nothing else.
Give him a car he can win with and he will perform in a most remarkably sublime way. And this is what Ferrari stated when they resigned him until 2010. Luca di Montezemolo understands that nature of Kimi as a driver that is why they are unlikely to give him up for anyone in my view.
I do volunteer that a reason Ferrari keeps on about a third car is perhaps if the have signed Alonso, they do want to look bad publicly because they would have to fire Massa.
Maybe at Monza a lot will be revealed because it has always been the traditional end of the silly season and this year's has been one of the best ever!
How do you judge Raikonnen is the "best driver out there" or that "the guys leading ....etc"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
How do you rate Alonso versus Raikonnen that way - it was Alonso that trounced Schumacher in 2006 yet it was at Interlagos in 2007 that Schumacher made that brilliant pass on Kimi into the first corner and the Finn had no answer.
And just what must Button do to rate even near an equal? Jenson's season to date remarkably mirrors Schumacher's of 2003 [and with the same teammate] and why should the Brit be underrated? He is definitely rated highly by Schumacher, Briatore and Brawn - and I think the know a thing or two. And further, the head of Bridgestone racing a few months back said that Button is the easiest driver on their tyres and he was just amazed at how Button drove so well.
There is a host of drivers at the top today - not since the 1980's into early 1990's has it been so - that are extremely good and can win the championship including Button.
I agree with all you say about Kimi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
But I think I need to clarify my previous post. When you say Kimi Raikonnen is the "quintessential" modern grand prix driver, I'm saying he may be a pure driver--uncomplicated--but there are few, if any, like him today. "Quintessential modern grand prix driver" may be a contradiction in terms.
The modern grand prix driver is multi-faceted, unlike KR.
Kimi left Mclaren because the car wasn't always quick and had reliability problems which arguably cost him the WDC in 2005. Back in 2001 they hired him instead of Mercedes favourite Heidfeld and gave him his big chance, so I don't think there are problems on Kimi's side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_2005
I think the posts that are not related to the topic of the thread disappeared and rightly so. Anyway, I find it very strange that some people cannot discuss things without trying to insult people who disagree with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I will agree with you!Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
We are just talking about F1!
Let's all of us stop insult others!
About the posts I have no idea what happened...
I personally find those rumours, which are linking Kimi to Brawn, interesting. Button vs Räikkönen - hmm, could create a few interesting discussions on the forum since both drivers are quite highly rated. ;)
Unluckily, Ruben constantly outperforms Jenson post mid season break, there is not enough reason for Ruben get pensioned off.
If the Ferrari team are trying to get Kimi to leave then it really just illustrates how reactionary the team is. They would want to hire Alonso - a sound move - yet retain Massa?
Their ability to pick a replacement for Mass since his accident is a typical Ferrari melodrama that I had thought been erradicated - there was a time when Ferrari pitstops were the embodiment of Peter Ustinov's "Grand Prix"!
And who can forget the shambles during the days of Ivan Capelli - he first met his race engineer on the plane to Kyalami!
Neither Schumacher, Badoer, Gene [he should resign and give the "universal salute" to the Scuderia] or Fischella is a move that looks forward to the future.
Gary Anderson made a sound suggestion just prior to the Valencia weekend. But Ferrari are not Red Bull so staid and conservative it is.......
He rightly pointed out that Hulkenberg is the best up and coming driver, and is set to win the GP2 championship in his first year - beating a rather erratic Grosjean before his move to f1.
Why not invite Hulkenberg to drive for the rest of the year, it would give him f1 experience alongside one the best drivers in the world - and Alguersari showed it can be done, make a deal with Williams to supply Ferrari engines for no or low nominal cost for three years and then lend him out to Williams for a year while he learns from a great team.
Great suggestion - no chance.
I agree with the thought that Kimi seeing how they still bow to Schumacher, love Massa and pine for Alonso, should just drive for Kimi and stick it to everyone as he did at Spa.
Then he should leave and join Mclaren - getting the millions from Ferrari that they will be forced to pay him as well. They would take him before any other on the grid and it is a very different team that Whitmarsh is creating.
If it turns out that Ferrari are trying to engineer a Raikonnen exit then the team's ethics are no better than their founders' where it came to being devious and cowardly towards their drivers.
That is also not the way it often works out. Other factors play significant roles too.Quote:
Originally Posted by leopardsleeping
I bet you did better than Enzo in your life so you can criticize his work and achievement, NOT! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Stupid logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
How long does it take Raikonnen to get over a bad result?
From the Kimi interview: a second, then its over.
Hence the relaxed ice cream [vanilla?] and coke result when he did not make it out of Q3 this year :-]
I think Raikonnen would fit in well at Mclaren - better than before.
The change that has been noticed by f1 journalists and even the interviews given by Whitmarsh in his approach and the "official" forgiveness by Bernie a few races ago when he publicly joined Lewis at a press gathering at the Mclaren motor home declares that it is a clean slate.
And Hamilton has demonstrated his ability to take care of Alonso and Raikonnen knows the Massa weakness.
Mclaren might even find their next "dream team": Prost-Lauda now Hamilton-Raikonnen.
It is fun to speculate. One thing we can all rely on is that it would probably be the calmest team of drivers and the quietest in the whole paddock!!