Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

everything with NPJr looks sketchy. From his driving to his attitude,to his countless incidents. But I doubt that he or the team decided to deliberately crash his car to give Alonso an advantage in a race where anything could have happened.

I'm not sure Piquet had enough car control to "crash on demand" if ordered by the team! :laugh:

I hear the FIA will look into Schumacher's Adelaide '94 move next ;)

Might the "fresh evidence" be that Piquet has made allegations?

The FIA monitor radio transmissions and if there was anything untoward they would acted.

Further, to imagine that Flavio would ask a driver to crash is insane and the driver involved acting on such a request would be no different. Only the conspiracy hypothesists will run with this one - and to imagine that an "in case before the race scheme" was planned is really Machiavellian thinking and out there with the aluminum foil brigade.

The FIA has nothing better to do than act like bitches in my view and the same will apply to Piquet if he is involved in this "allegation".

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

I hear the FIA will look into Schumacher's Adelaide '94 move next ;)

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About time.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

I hear the FIA will look into Schumacher's Adelaide '94 move next ;)

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lol

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Originally Posted by ioan

The way he binned it was very strange and it was questioned back then.
Also he had a spin earlier (during the formation lap)that looked like a copy of the real one, just that he controlled perfectly to the extent that he didn't even lose his place on the grid.

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It could be that the plans were for Piquet to spin out and stall the car in the middle of the track and he crashed it instead... :p :

Just because it is so utterly untrue that Sicilians are mostly mobsters
doesn't mean Flavio's not really a cold blooded Luigi from Palermo :eek: :p :
If Flavio goes down NP will soon be swimming with the fishes :uhoh:
So don't be surprised if he has a brake failure on a remote cliff road,
or a sudden explosion and horrible fiery death
in his personal ride soon :laugh: :burnout:

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

The FIA monitor radio transmissions and if there was anything untoward they would acted.

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You really think they are so good?!

It's probably some NP fans that are pissy about him being dropped.

No one would be stupid enough to risk their life for someone else...

Maybe if the championship was at stake on the last race of the year I'd could possibly consider the possibility of this constipated conspiracy. But I think not.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Trust me, I would be happy to have Hamilton gain some extra points in the end, and imagine if massa had won the WDC, and then this comes out, so 8 months later they would overturn the championship and award it to hamilton.

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Ever heard of Markku Alen?

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Originally Posted by Koz

It's probably some NP fans that are pissy about him being dropped.

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Good joke! I didn't know that the FIA were NP Jr fans!

You aren't an Alonso fan by chance, aren't you?! :D

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Just because it is so utterly untrue that Sicilians are mostly mobsters
doesn't mean Flavio's not really a cold blooded Luigi from Palermo
If Flavio goes down NP will soon be swimming with the fishes :uhoh:
So don't be surprised if he has a brake failure on a remote cliff road,
or a sudden explosion and horrible fiery death
in his personal ride soon :laugh: :burnout:

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ah what a lovely thought :eek:

something tells me this is gonna get messy, but I just hope its not true, if it is, Flavio should be banned from F1 for life. Not even he could do something as cynical as that surely?, something so morally wrong. if they do get punished, that'll be the end of Renault in F1 for sure.

like someone said on this forum recently: why would you? how would you?

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Originally Posted by henners88

It will be interesting to learn how this message to crash was delivered to Nelson during the race as they could not have predicted the events before hand.

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There were no events to predict because they were creating the event.

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Originally Posted by henners88

It will be interesting to learn how this message to crash was delivered to Nelson during the race as they could not have predicted the events before hand. It would be a huge gamble to rely on the radio knowing it is being monitored, as this would have potential to be an enormous scandal. I've narrowed it down to a few other reasonable methods:

1. Sign language from the lollipop man or Pat Symonds.
2. A note passed to Nelson during a pit stop, or text written on the rag that wiped his visor.
3. A paper aeroplane thrown from the pit wall and gathered by Nelson as he passed the start finish line.
4. Telepathy between Flav and Nelson fine tuned in the boardroom for instances like this.

All plausable methods but my question would be how it is proved by the FIA ... Can't wait :)

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Excellent LOL!

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Originally Posted by henners88

Not entirely as they were unaware before the race exactly when Rosberg, Hamilton, Glock etc were making their first stops. Will be interesting none the less.

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They made sure Alonso was very very light and thus the first to pit so they eliminated most of the unknowns with that.

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Originally Posted by Koz

It's probably some NP fans that are pissy

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WHAT????!!!! All three of them? :confused: ;)

Easy enough for Renault to decide a code before the race - even just saying Alonso has pitted could be enough. Or tell Piquet beforehand to crash on lap whatever. As far as I can tell this can't be proved!

Besides, Piquet saying "he told me to crash" isn't going to hold much water. He could just say no after all.

Lets see...

Flavour fires a useless NP Jnr. NP Jnr then says he was ordered to crash to during a race in 2008 to assist Alonso win the GP. Hmmmm.....sour grapes come to mind.

I cant believe anyone would read anthing into the accusation.

How many people would need to be in on this though?

Piquet obviously
Flavio
Whoever sent him an apparently innocent radio message that was his que to find the wall ?
Alonso perhaps ?


In any case its not going to be many people involved and I doubt renault are stupid enough to leave any sort of paper trail.

How are they ever supposed to prove that such incident occurred? :rolleyes: That was almost a year ago. F1 Singapore is about to start the end of September and then they're suddenly making a big deal of this.

And Piquet is not exactly a very reliable accuser. One could easily think that this is just but a case of sour graping.

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Originally Posted by rusha84

How are they ever supposed to prove that such incident occurred? :rolleyes: That was almost a year ago. F1 Singapore is about to start the end of September and then they're suddenly making a big deal of this.

And Piquet is not exactly a very reliable accuser. One could easily think that this is just but a case of sour graping.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I cant believe anyone would read anthing into the accusation.

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True, it's difficult to believe that there would be any conspiracy or cheating in F1, especially involving such an upstanding pillar of society as Flavio Briatore...........oh wait ;) :p :

It does seem like sour grapes to me but it also seems very plausible that something like this could be set up. In fact as Nelsinho had been crashing all season perhaps they tried to do it before but just didn't manage to pull it off :D

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

True, it's difficult to believe that there would be any conspiracy or cheating in F1, especially involving such an upstanding pillar of society as Flavio Briatore...........oh wait ;) :p :

It does seem like sour grapes to me but it also seems very plausible that something like this could be set up. In fact as Nelsinho had been crashing all season perhaps they tried to do it before but just didn't manage to pull it off :D

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Conspiracy in F1, NEVER :laugh:

I still think it is sour grapes though. NP Jnr has been shouting his mouth off since he was fired. All NP Jnr has done is proven that he is not only a poor driver, but a bloody annoying one too!

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Conspiracy in F1, NEVER :laugh:

I still think it is sour grapes though. NP Jnr has been shouting his mouth off since he was fired. All NP Jnr has done is proven that he is not only a poor driver, but a bloody annoying one too!

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It has nothing to do with NP Jr and sour grapes. Apparently the incident has been investigated by an independent company at the request of the FIA because Ferrari complained about it.

It's hard to believe, but all the incidents looked so strange at the time and now, and it was a very important moment to Briatore, that victory probably helped him to keep renault at F1, Alonso at renault...
But I don't see a benefit to Piquet for leaking this info, or he could have some "imunity" from helping the investigation?!

anyway, if this is really true it will be very sad...
but for now I have more reasons to believe that is not true.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Perhaps it was Ferrari's way of detracting the attention away from themselves and that hilarious pitstop.

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Sure that's why everything has been made public after almost one year. Great thinking there.

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Originally Posted by HenryM

could have some "imunity" from helping the investigation?!

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I doubt such a thing would exist anyway but stabbing Flav in the back is surely a dangerous game to be playing in F1. Briatore has a lot of power in the sport and I'd have thought that crossing him pretty much means ruling yourself out of even a sniff of an F1 seat. Of course it's apparently not NP Jnr anyway and if Ioan is right then he'll have nothing to fear.

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Originally Posted by HenryM

But I don't see a benefit to Piquet for leaking this info, or he could have some "imunity" from helping the investigation?!

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

I doubt such a thing would exist ...

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Don't doubt it, Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton were granted imunity by the FIA during Spygate.

hmmm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6816343.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...cclestone.html

where does this leave alonso if this is true given that he was the one that dobbed in mclaren over spygate emails ?

Why would disclose publicly the case too late? Indictment against a case should be raised only within limitation period. Every incident may advantage or disadvantage different drivers is investigated appropriately by race stewards.

I doubt that worries of lay-off enforcement on Renault will happen. Forgive and forget it...

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

where does this leave alonso if this is true given that he was the one that dobbed in mclaren over spygate emails ?

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Alonso was only trying to give the best effort for team at that time he was driving at. This has nothing to do with spygate. :)

Good for them. So maybe he wasn't that worthless after all.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78232


Renault warned of serious consequences
By Jonathan Noble
Tuesday, September 1st 2009, 07:35 GMT


Nelson Piquet, Renault, 2008Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has warned that there could be 'serious' consequences for both Nelson Piquet and Renault if an investigation into race-fixing at last year's Singapore Grand Prix uncovers anything suspicious.

The FIA is currently looking into claims, which emerged during last weekend's race weekend in Belgium, that Piquet may have been asked to crash deliberately in Singapore last year to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win.

The nature of the claims, or who has provided them, has not been revealed, and the FIA has only confirmed that it is looking into 'events' at a previous world championship race.

However, Ecclestone has confirmed that the incident being looked at is Singapore - and says he and the governing body is taking the matter seriously.

"The FIA has launched a thorough investigation into the allegations about Nelson," Ecclestone said. "I do not know if they are true or not.

"But if they are true then I would have thought Nelson was in just as much trouble. If I tell you to go and rob a bank and you get caught you can't say, 'Well Bernie told me to.'

"It all seems very strange to me and I do not know the truth."

Should the FIA find any evidence of foul play then it would most likely call a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council to discuss the matter. If the WMSC finds Renault guilty, then punishments range from a reprimand through to fines, race bans and even exclusion from the world championship.

On the back of the recent 'Bloodgate' controversy that has dogged rugby, Ecclestone said that FIA would come down hard on any guilty party.

"If the investigation finds out that that is what happened then I think there is going to be a lot of trouble," he said. "You hear of these things happening with jockeys and in football and it has led to all sorts of trouble, hasn't it?

"If it is true then it is a very serious situation. But it could just be a rumour and Nelson is just annoyed that he has been fired.

"But it is not good for the sport. People seem to be spending money betting on F1l, which is good, but they will not want to do that if they think something is wrong with the result."

Ecclestone also fears that Renault could pull out of F1 on the back of the investigation - joining Honda and BMW in exiting the sport in the space of less than 12 months.

He told The Times: "This is not the sort of thing we need at the moment. I think it will p*** off Renault for a start. Them leaving the sport is a danger, obviously. I mean, I hope that it isn't like that, but it's the sort of thing that might happen."

The departure of Renault from F1 would not only hit the Enstone-based team, but would also hurt Williams, which is close to signing a customer-engine deal with the French car manufacturer.

Renault has so far not commented on the situation.

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hmmm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6816343.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...cclestone.html

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This is what I feared, when this guy get's his nose in it we can't forget about knowing the truth and justice because just a wet dream.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78232


Renault warned of serious consequences
By Jonathan Noble
Tuesday, September 1st 2009, 07:35 GMT


Nelson Piquet, Renault, 2008Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has warned that there could be 'serious' consequences for both Nelson Piquet and Renault if an investigation into race-fixing at last year's Singapore Grand Prix uncovers anything suspicious.

The FIA is currently looking into claims, which emerged during last weekend's race weekend in Belgium, that Piquet may have been asked to crash deliberately in Singapore last year to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win.

The nature of the claims, or who has provided them, has not been revealed, and the FIA has only confirmed that it is looking into 'events' at a previous world championship race.

However, Ecclestone has confirmed that the incident being looked at is Singapore - and says he and the governing body is taking the matter seriously.

"The FIA has launched a thorough investigation into the allegations about Nelson," Ecclestone said. "I do not know if they are true or not.

"But if they are true then I would have thought Nelson was in just as much trouble. If I tell you to go and rob a bank and you get caught you can't say, 'Well Bernie told me to.'

"It all seems very strange to me and I do not know the truth."

Should the FIA find any evidence of foul play then it would most likely call a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council to discuss the matter. If the WMSC finds Renault guilty, then punishments range from a reprimand through to fines, race bans and even exclusion from the world championship.

On the back of the recent 'Bloodgate' controversy that has dogged rugby, Ecclestone said that FIA would come down hard on any guilty party.

"If the investigation finds out that that is what happened then I think there is going to be a lot of trouble," he said. "You hear of these things happening with jockeys and in football and it has led to all sorts of trouble, hasn't it?

"If it is true then it is a very serious situation. But it could just be a rumour and Nelson is just annoyed that he has been fired.

"But it is not good for the sport. People seem to be spending money betting on F1l, which is good, but they will not want to do that if they think something is wrong with the result."

Ecclestone also fears that Renault could pull out of F1 on the back of the investigation - joining Honda and BMW in exiting the sport in the space of less than 12 months.

He told The Times: "This is not the sort of thing we need at the moment. I think it will p*** off Renault for a start. Them leaving the sport is a danger, obviously. I mean, I hope that it isn't like that, but it's the sort of thing that might happen."

The departure of Renault from F1 would not only hit the Enstone-based team, but would also hurt Williams, which is close to signing a customer-engine deal with the French car manufacturer.

Renault has so far not commented on the situation.

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That's just Bernie trying to pressure Piquet not to tell the truth.Pathetic mophead! :down:
F1 will only reborn when this guy will be 6 feet under.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Wishing death on someone is pretty low IMO.. I think F1 will be a better sport once he has retired but to make a statement like this is appalling.. :down:

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I think ioan is refering to the fact that Bernie will probably never "retire" from F1 in the true sense of the word, rather that old age (read: death) will eventually "retire" Bernie.

I dont think ioan wishes any direct harm to Bernie.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Wishing death on someone is pretty low IMO.. I think F1 will be a better sport once he has retired but to make a statement like this is appalling.. :down:

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Learn some English FGS. I don't wish any one to die I just stated that F1 will not reborn before he dies, after all we all die one day.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I think ioan is refering to the fact that Bernie will probably never "retire" from F1 in the true sense of the word, rather that old age (read: death) will eventually "retire" Bernie.

I dont think ioan wishes any direct harm to Bernie.

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Exactly! :up:

PS: Good to have you around 555! :)

Well, if these accusations do turn out to be true, I'll happily admit I was wrong when I state that I've never heard such an undisputed pile of excrement.

Should these allegations prove to be false, I hope the accuser has a fecking good legal team, because a certain French manufacturer will wipe their family out finacially for millenia.