Or he gets it all, if his name is Madoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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Or he gets it all, if his name is Madoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
We've got more than ten parties, but they are never in the government the same time. The government is formed of parties who can agree to work together and together represent a majority of the members of parliament. Usually we have a center-right or a center-left government, but there has even been a left-right government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
You also have a population smaller than Manhatten Island. That tends to make things easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
That is actually the way it works here in the States. We have medicare/medicaid that take care of those that don't have their own healthcare. I don't know too many people that think those programs work very well. In fact they are going broke. So why don't we fix the programs we have currently before going around and screwing everyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I wouldn't want to be one of the tens of millions of Americans who can't afford to go see a doctor just because they think it's not worth paying the taxes required to have a better health coverage.
How the heck can you have a minority government?Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
pretty simple
you need gov programs and you can have private programs. But the kicker is that the public program can have no or very limited malpractic.
Another thing most don't realize is that when you combine all the taxes we pay it is pretty f----- high.
The number most people are spouting on about (45-47-50 million) is just bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124579852347944191.html
13%, or 6 million, are illegeal aliens. I don't want to cover anyone who is actively breaking our laws. And anything that has been proposed so far won't cover them either.
"About 43% of uninsured nonelderly adults have incomes greater than 2.5 times the poverty level," So there is a large chunk of people out there who just plain choose not to buy insurance, for what ever reason. Shouldn't people have the freedom and liberty to choose that for themselves?
Sure that still leaves millions without healthcare, but as I've said many times before we HAVE a system that takes care of them. That system may be broken, and in need of fixing. But why does that mean breaking the system for the 75-80% of Americans with adaquate healthcare?
Fix the system we already have to take care of the minority before you go screwing with the majority of Americans. Doesn't that sound like a prudent course of action?
A majority is a majority no matter how big the population is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
For all the population you've got in the US you only have 2 parties, both of them with right (conservative) views, which is giving you little choice.
I'm not sure who to trust, you or those who claim there are big problems, but I know that there are big problems from people whom I talked to in person this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
What I find appalling is how people who do have more money than they need, and can afford to pay for private health care, can say that there is no need for a change while there are millions who can't even afford to go see a doctor.
How f----- high?!Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
Anywhere near 60-70%?!
Ofcourse they are going broke. Because there isn't enough money to run them in a proper way.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
That's just it Ioan. We have systems in place that make sure people CAN see a doctor when they NEED to. That system is government run, and B-R-O-K-E. So tell me again why we would impose the same BROKEN system on the majority of Americans?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
This is the problem with the healthcare debate in this country. If you oppose nationalization, you are made out to be some heartless b@stard that doesn't care about people's health. It's just the opposite. I see how the system we have in place for about 15% of our population works, or doesn't in this case. And I DO NOT want to impose that same system on the other 85% of Americans.
I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done, I'm just saying that what has been proposed won't work. The system that should be adopted is something like what McCain proposed. Give everyone a $5000 tax break to buy their own healthcare. Get the choices out of our employeers hands, and give that power to the people. I know that my healthcare through my employeer is not what is right for me. But I can not afford to not use it because of the tax breaks I get for buying into that system. If more INDIVIDUALS have the power to make their healthcare decisions then competition will drive costs down, and care up.
Actually yes. When you add income tax, social security tax, property tax, state tax, city tax, school tax, sales tax, and anything else I'm forgetting it does get up to about 70% in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
We are ALL already paying into those systems. How will adding people into that system work? Especially if Obama is going to keep his promise of no new taxes on those making less than $250,000?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Which plant is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
In Canada a "minority" government is elected when the party wins less than half of the 308 electoral seats in the house of commons.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The Conservative (Tory) party currently maintains a minority government because in the last federal election they won only 143 seats.
Schemnke. Thanks I was going to explain to ioan but you beat me to it. Chalk River the 'new' "Beaver" reactors to produce medical isotopes replacing the 50 year old reactor that is now out of service.
The Govt. recently cancelled it after the boffins decided it would never work.
It goes beyond population. Land mass also plays a huge factor when you have a tremendous diversity of terrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That's pretty stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
And how are they supposed to pass laws in the parliament?
In Europe, AFAIK after the elections are done and if none of the parties managed more than 50%, which is very rare, they have to form an alliance, and the government, with the help and contribution of other parties in such way that they have the support of the majority of the parliament.
Even in Romania the prime minister (and his/her ministers), proposed by the president, has to be accepted by the majority of the parliament. If they fail this 2 times than the president has to declare the parliamentary elections void and new elections will be scheduled until a party or a group of parties will manage to have a majority support in the parliament.
If during their tenure the government isn't supported anymore by the majority of the parliament, because their coalition broke up they will try under the mediation of the president to form a new majority government, if that fails and the parliament votes out the prime minister than there will be new parliamentary elections in order to have a majority parliamentary support for the future government.
Theoretically a minority government shouldn't be able to resist without at least the tacit support of 50% of the parliament.
In politics?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
Chuck here is an excerpt from Medicare eligibility!Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-...e-Eligibility/Quote:
You must also be 65 years or older to receive Medicare unless you have been diagnosed with permanent disability or permanent kidney failure that requires dialysis or a kidney transplant.
Here is an excerpt from Medicaid elligibilty
Neither one of these programs do a thing for a working American that works for a company that doesn't provide Health Care.Quote:
Are You Eligible?
Many groups of people are covered by Medicaid. Even within these groups, though, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age, whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged; your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash); and whether you are a U.S. citizen or a lawfully admitted immigrant. The rules for counting your income and resources vary from state to state and from group to group. There are special rules for those who live in nursing homes and for disabled children living at home.
Your child may be eligible for coverage if he or she is a U.S. citizen or a lawfully admitted immigrant, even if you are not (however, there is a 5-year limit that applies to lawful permanent residents). Eligibility for children is based on the child's status, not the parent's. Also, if someone else's child lives with you, the child may be eligible even if you are not because your income and resources will not count for the child.
In general, you should apply for Medicaid if you have limited income and resources. You must match one of the descriptions below. (Even if you are not sure whether you qualify, if you or someone in your family needs health care, you should apply for Medicaid and have a qualified caseworker in your state evaluate your situation.)
Pregnant Women
Apply for Medicaid if you think you are pregnant. You may be eligible if you are married or single. If you are on Medicaid when your child is born, both you and your child will be covered.
Children and Teenagers
Apply for Medicaid if you are the parent or guardian of a child who is 18 years old or younger and your family's income is limited, or if your child is sick enough to need nursing home care, but could stay home with good quality care at home. If you are a teenager living on your own, the state may allow you to apply for Medicaid on your own behalf or any adult may apply for you. Many states also cover children up to age 21.
Person who is Aged, Blind, and/or Disabled
Apply if you are aged (65 years old or older), blind, or disabled and have limited income and resources. Apply if you are terminally ill and want to get hospice services. Apply if you are aged, blind, or disabled; live in a nursing home; and have limited income and resources. Apply if you are aged, blind, or disabled and need nursing home care, but can stay at home with special community care services. Apply if you are eligible for Medicare and have limited income and resources.
Other Situations
Apply if you are leaving welfare and need health coverage. Apply if you are a family with children under age 18 and have limited income and resources. (You do not need to be receiving a welfare check.) Apply if you have very high medical bills, which you cannot pay (and you are pregnant, under age 18 or over age 65, blind, or disabled).
These Programs are not like European Health Insurance, that provide basic healthcare for all it's citizens.
Get a grip :down:
Yes, especially if you add the medical fees, university/college fees and other fees that here are included in our taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by fousto
It can't be that bad in Cali.
After all they are spending over a Million Dollars to honor a Drug addicted pedophile!
Easy. Here in the States and I believe Canada too, you do not have to vote with your party. Coalitions are made up of like minded individuals who then vote on legislation. The US Constitution does not mention a word about political parties, and George Washington warned against them in his farewell address.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Who tells you to choose a system that doesn't work. You could build a system that works adequately for 100% of Americans. Those who aren't happy with that could pay extra if they want extra services and preferential treatment. Public and private don't necessarily rule out each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Ok what's your point? I'm missing it. If you have a job and your employer doesn't provide healthcare, then you go buy it. Sure it's expensive, and that's why I support giving people tax breaks to help afford it. All those conditions outlined in the Medicaid deal sound like they pretty much cover anyone who wants to sign up. And please remember that it is ILLEGEAL for hospitals to turn people away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
If you need medical attention you can get it.
What happens if you don't have a job?Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Yes, it's similar here in Canada. Members have a free vote, but are sometimes instructed to vote with their party. There can be consequences (public spankings, Max?) for going against your party.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Certain votes are "confidence" votes (such as passing the budget) and if this doesn't get voted through, the government falls, and an election is called.
Let's start by making the system for 15% work properly then. I have no problem with that. In fact I support Medicare/Medicaid reforms. Same goes for the VA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
You are correct Public and Private don't necessarily rule out each other. However, in the Obama plan they do. By giving the Public option, many employers will drop their healthcare coverage. My employer has already told us that we will be dropped. And without any tax breaks, and being relatively healthy right now, it doesn't make any sence for me to buy healthcare. That is the same decision millions will also make (most likely). And that will drive many insurance providers out of business. And that doesn't even go into all the doctor issues, and quality of care issues.
You're on Medicaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
The US does not have confidence votes as such. The "government" doesn't fall. The President is in office for 4 years no matter if he gets everything he wants or nothing. Same deal for Senators and Congressmen (6 and 2 years respectively). For votes such as the budget, they must get something passed, or all "non-essential" functions shut down. That happened in like '95 or so. That can be seen as either a good thing or a bad thing depending on which side of the issue you are on. And that affects your chances at being re-elected. It's a really complicated system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firstgear
A minority government cannot pass legislation without the agreement from the other parties who hold seats in the house of commons. A minority government is constantly struggling to maintain confidence in the house of commons. In extreme cases, a "non-confidence" motion can be put forth, and if passed, requires the inervention of Governer General to resolve, usually by dissolving parliament and calling another election.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Oops, sorry, didn't see 1stgear's post above...
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Originally Posted by Eki
Please quit spouting this bull$hitQuote:
Originally Posted by chuck
and also this B.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
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Originally Posted by Chuck
You also receive an exuberant bill the emergency room services!!!
I guess you didn't read this part of the eligibility requirements,
or you don't want to face the truth. Let me sum this up for you
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Many groups of people are covered by Medicaid. Even within these groups, though, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age, whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged] your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash)[/b]
You have to sell real property and be nearly broke in order to qualify
Regardless whether you think this is an equitable deal or not,
it is not the same as Euro basic health insurance, which is what you stated earlier
Although ironically it may make someone fell exuberant, :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by t'zo
what I meant to say is exorbitant. :mark: :p :
Why should the government tax everyone at a higher rate to pay for health care when some if not most people have the means to foot the bill themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I don't mind helping pay for people with real problems, but I see no reason why I should foot the medical bill for someone who is not willing to sacrifice some of their own income or standards of living first.
I never said we should Shifty.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I was just pointing out the factual difference between Medicaid, and someones fantasy of it :p :
They have sacrificed some of their own income in advance and after the medical bill by paying high income tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
What kind of logic is this?!Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
If everyone has to pay than everyone sacrifices some of their income, not only you! :rolleyes:
BTW maybe you should be in their shoes and than we'll see what line you will tow around here, if you will still afford an internet connection, not to mention having a computer.