Breakaway series is go!

5 hours ago when I woke up and had a look up here to see on any development, and read the thread on the FOTA compromise, I though to myself "Geez this seemed good but all this was all a crappy little publicity stunt and everyone will back down and kiss Mister Max's you-know-what."
Now this is good news, but I think something bad may come of this.

Mister Max and Mister Midget will sue the teams, and in the end each other. And in the end will probably end as a catastrophic mess for all involved. But hopefully it won't.

Let FIA run their spec series, and let have FOTA have their own.

Mister Max telling FOTA to start their own series... Could that be used in a legal context?

(ioan for FOTA chairman!! :) )

I wish them well. But I think that eventually politics will screw them up, just as politics screwed F1.

The best part is that the series will be Free to AIr. so i expect atleast 3-4 channels to broadcast it live, like MOTO GP

No more listening to Steve Slater, ALex Young and chirs goodwin next year :)

By the way we can see alex young , narian kartikeyan. sato, all next year

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today will be a great day, Ross Brawn (Brawn GP), Christian Horner (Red Bull), Adam Parr (Williams) and Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren). all gonna attend the press conference

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Originally Posted by Ghostwalker

where did you read that? a link please!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8108488.stm

OMG, they did it!!!

This is gonna get sooooo messy!

My main fear is how will TV coverage be for the new series?

Will Bridgestone be allowed to supply the FOTA series or is their deal F1 only?

Will this now just cause a flurry of activity which means a compromise will have to hbe reached before the end of the year to prevent a breakaway occuring???

If more new teams are granted entried however, I cant see how it can otherwise well have 16 odd teams????

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Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth

Reckon they're just squeezing the FIAs balls or what? [/I]

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WOW!! This is historic. Finally Mosley is dumped. I bet you Bernie wont be happy. He'll have to split his revenue with FOTA. I for one, can't wait for the beginning of the new champioship. I bet you it will be revolutionary. F1 will be back again to be the most sofisticated, technological advanced and challenging car racing ever. For those who like to watch the Campos team and hear the glorious Cosworth engines, I wish them a "really" good time in the memory lane. I bet you any money, in no time, without the most prestigious teams in its ranks, FIA will go down the drain.

Yay! If for no other reason the Mosley gets his due. He's run amok and it's finally come home to roost.

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Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth

Reckon they're just squeezing the FIAs balls or what?


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Contrary to claims here, the new series will NOT be Powered by Cosworth!! :p :

Having said that and on the more serious side, I just wonder whether this will save Silverstone as a venue for next year's FOTA championship's British race.

More to follow.

Get the popcorn ready this is going to be good!

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Originally Posted by mwr120675

Get the popcorn ready this is going to be good!

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Well, its pretty obvious from this thread and others in other forum who the fans will support. The FIA will end up with just another lower formula competition. For most people, "F1" will simply shift name to whatever FOTA wants to call it and continue on, minus Max, Bernie and the tracks that F1 use.

The question is, what tracks would you recommend for each country, taking into account the current ones would be contractually obliged to not hold FOTA events.

Australia: Could return to Adelaide.
UK: Silverstone will be available from next year.
US: Thanks to Max/Bernie killing the US GP, all tracks would be OK.
Canada: Same as US.
Japan: Fuji? Not sure of the situation with Suzuka, which is owned by Honda.

Others...?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Or he bought a shotgun and he's hunting down Max! :D

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Whip, man, whip. Max likes whips!!

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Why not? Why should we not love these teams as much as the others.

I'm annoyed with this as much as you. I've grown up with McLaren, Ferrari, (BMW) Sauber, Toyota, Renault, etc, but there were times when those teams struggled and were small, and had no money.

This notion of 'Formula GP3' is a disgrace, and these comments were made by people who should know better. Not to pick on Alonso, but he drove for Minardi at first. A VERY small team who did well just to compete. I dare say most of the new teams will be more competitive than Minardi even in their first year. (I loved Minardi I'm just making a point.)

Mark Webber drove for Minardi. Massa drove for Sauber. As did Raikkonen. Glock drove for Jordan. Trulli drove for Minardi. Heidfeld drove for Jordan at their lowest point.

All the aforementioned guys, and anyone else with the same situation shouldn't be mocking and frankly insulting these new teams. People didn't say the same about Super Aguri, Midland, Spyker, Force India (I know the last three were the same team).

Give the new guys a chance and see what they can make of their opportunity. This is THE chance to cement their legacy.

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A voice in the wilderness. The only relevant word here is cement. :rolleyes:

As much as I have longed for a breakaway I really do hope they avoid doing what happened in the US in the nineties with the IRL/ChampCar war.

Opens up lots of questions though:

Circuits?
Drivers?
TV?
What will happen for the remainder of 08?
Will Max make an attempt to reconcile once the ego dies down and he realises what he has lost?
Will Max pick up anyone he can for F3+?
What will Lola make of the situation?

This is gonna be good...

I do not think it is over yet.
I feel that some compromise will still occur. That said I expect Mad Max will be toast. Maybe not immediately, but very soon.
If the break does occur the Demented Midget just might eventually side with the FOTA teams, if they let him. I wouldn't count on that.
He will try and go where he thinks there is the most money to be made.
Although logistics and finances might be a problem I see no reason why a track could not hold races for both the FIA F1 and FOTA. The tracks the Demented Midget controls, Turkey for example, will go where he goes.
As far as tires go I expect Michelin would be in there like a dirty shirt if they can. They have no love for the FIA. Bridgestone could easily supply FOTA as Firestone and continue as Bridgestone with the FIA.
The drivers will go as their contracts demand, or when they expire where the money is.
All said and done a split will hurt the sport immensely. All you have to do is look at the IRL/CART/CC mess.
One big difference is the FIA do not control any track of the importance that Indy was/is in the US.
Monaco is closest but they could easily go FOTA or even run 2 races.
The FIA does have one strong card in the threat to lift licences/sanctions/track permits.
Mad Max has said they won't but we know how good his word is.
Of course, FOTA can play the FIM card which probably would at least partially offset a FIA ban.
If they do split I expect Williams and Force India will lose their engine suppliers and go with Cosworth so Mad Max will basically be closer to his spec series.
Again I still think an agreement will be reached. Probably not for a few weeks.
Unfortunately I have been wrong before!
I wonder what would happen, because of their contracts, if Ferrari, Red Bull and Torro Rosso showed up at the first FIA race next year with the current cars, which would be totally illegal. Even if they were allowed to race they would run out of fuel part way through. Then what Mad Max? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Ent

Well, its pretty obvious from this thread and others in other forum who the fans will support. The FIA will end up with just another lower formula competition. For most people, "F1" will simply shift name to whatever FOTA wants to call it and continue on, minus Max, Bernie and the tracks that F1 use.

The question is, what tracks would you recommend for each country, taking into account the current ones would be contractually obliged to not hold FOTA events.

Australia: Could return to Adelaide.
UK: Silverstone will be available from next year.
US: Thanks to Max/Bernie killing the US GP, all tracks would be OK.
Canada: Same as US.
Japan: Fuji? Not sure of the situation with Suzuka, which is owned by Honda.

Others...?

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This is interesting. Are the tracks contractually obliged to hold an F1 race, rather than NOT to hold any other race?

For instance, Albert Park is actually a public road, and what is to prevent the Melbourne City Council from holding a race , any race there later in the year ?(except for the local people who may object to the noise and disruption, which is something else).

Then, there are tracks all over Europe that are not being used for F1 and which would be suitable for FOTA. If we tried hard, we could probably name around 16 tracks easily.

Ferrari is the key here, always. Whither they go, most of the other teams would follow. The other key collective are the drivers. The only decent driver left in F1 will be Rosberg.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

Rosberg doesn't have a FOTA contract.

So next year we will have:

Williams
Force India
USF1
Manor
Campos

and who else I wonder?

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Does it matter?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Care to elaborate?!
Please do list the 10 FIA teams!

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I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick of what I was trying to say; I was comparing the 2009 championship with the 10 current teams to the proposed breakaway 2010 FOTA series of 8 teams.
Of course at the moment the 2010 FIA championship will be 50% weaker in terms of grid numbers and despite the number of new teams applying for entry, I seriously doubt all of them would be able to enter next year.
So there will be two weaker series though I must say FOTA's series looks more likely succeed simply because it does have all the big names.

First, I want to say that while I never supported the idea of a new championship, I think that FOTA could not have stayed with F1 any longer. FIA proved that it wants artificial slow and cheap series like the WTCC or F2. Both are incredibly dull in my opinion. Also, contrary to woody and yoda, I don't care about campos, manor or whatever effort the new F1 has. It is one thing to beat the established teams, like Ross Brawn did, sacrificing the last two seasons. It is quite another when the rules are changed to be comfortable for the nobodies. I will NOT watch a Formula One championship without Ross, Ferrari, McLaren or Renault or without Kimi, Fernando or Jenson. I wish all the worst luck to the Formula One Remnant, to the crazy sadistic pervert Max Mosley, who did all to create dull spec series, kudos for ruining my favorite sport, you old scum. Same for the greedy ugly midget Bernie.
Then again I would have preferred the FOTA teams to enter Le Mans racing as I would have loved to see a Ferrari LMP 1 car. Still, from what I know Dorna may organize the new series and they will likely do a good job. I wish the new series, if it comes to that, best luck. But FOTA should not come back to F1 until Max, Bernie and the corrupted, fascist way the FIA is governed, are gone.

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

It's amazing how snobbish a lot of people are about the new teams. How do you think McLaren, Ferrari, etc started?

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I would bet the new teams would be more than welcome in the FOTA series! They might even get help with customer chassis, engines, and other components.

i also thinking that NICO, FISI, SUTIL and KAZUKI will also jump to the other boat if they get a chance.

I wonder if flavio will carry Nelson with him to new series.

does it also mean that all existing contracts will null and viod. so we can see a lot of jumbling going around in the new series. i would to see SATO back

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Originally Posted by Cozzie

What will happen for the remainder of 08?

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Lewis Hamilton will win the 2008 Drivers' World Championship in an incredible final lap at Interlagos but I don't think we should be worrying about 2008 right now :p :

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Originally Posted by F1boat

First, I want to say that while I never supported the idea of a new championship, I think that FOTA could not have stayed with F1 any longer..

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I agree. While a split may be a big risk, it has to be better than life under Max's dictatorial iron fist! Sort of a parallel with what's happening in Iran at the moment?

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Originally Posted by race_director

I wonder if flavio will carry Nelson with him to new series.

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Nelsinho could stay and be 2010 WDC in the FIA's F3+ series. ;)

Also nothing stopping other teams from joining FOTA. I would expect FOTA to welcome more teams.
Should FOTA's rules allow diesels, in say 2011, maybe Audi and/or Peugeot.
Maybe Aston Martin next year.

I can see this being yet more posturing and bargaining.

Max will say "go on then, close the door on your way out" then wait until the teams have wasted millions on setting up their new championship; only to invite them back to F1 with a few compromises for 2010.

This is typical Max, and I grudgingly admire his M.O.: make ludicrous demands, refuse to compromise, take it to the brink, then appear to compromise - ending up with what he wanted at the first place and making the teams look like the bad guys.

Part of me hopes this new series goes ahead - but I'm 99% sure a compromise will be found.

You are right, Dave, and that's why F1 teams should not come back to FIA until the crazy fascist is gone.

I hope no compromise is found. Bernie and Max are poisoning F1. If you look at the WRC just a few short years ago it was in a great position and now it's nothing. For F1 to survive in spirit this needs to happen.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

You are right, Dave, and that's why F1 teams should not come back to FIA until the crazy fascist is gone.

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And the Putty Dwarf, too!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I hope no compromise is found. Bernie and Max are poisoning F1. If you look at the WRC just a few short years ago it was in a great position and now it's nothing. For F1 to survive in spirit this needs to happen.

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I can't see a compromise until Max is gone. Then maybe Bernie will be able to bring the teams back IF he reasons with them. True F1 has always been about freedom and innovation, NOT about making an open-wheel NASCAR series.

Actually, Bernie could make an offer to both series by allowing the FIA F3+ as the warm-up race for the Real F1!

The one man who has remained very quiet recently is Bernie. It's hard to imagine him sat at home watching this mucking fess and doing nothing about it. Although his once legendary ability to 'sort' things has waned in recent times he is still a major player and I do wonder which side he will ultimately come down on.

Could there be a possibility that, just has Max has F1 & F2, Bernie will develop the exisiting GP2 series and we will see a 'new' GP1 series made up of the FOTA teams.

The reason I think this is a possibility is that FOTA say: "The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."

It would be almost impossible to make that statement without at least the tacit backing of Bernie...wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I hope no compromise is found. Bernie and Max are poisoning F1. If you look at the WRC just a few short years ago it was in a great position and now it's nothing. For F1 to survive in spirit this needs to happen.

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It is not just the WRC, Daniel. The WTCC is even more pathetic. Compare its cartoonish cars to the beasts in the DTM or the Oz V8 Championship. This awaits F1 - slow, ugly midget cars.

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The FIA has blamed factions within the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) for the failure of the two parties to reach agreement on the future of the sport, following the announcement that there will be a rival series next year.

"The FIA is disappointed but not surprised by FOTA's inability to reach a compromise in the best interests of the sport," said the statement.
"It is clear that elements within FOTA have sought this outcome throughout the prolonged period of negotiation and have not engaged in the discussions in good faith.
"The FIA cannot permit a financial arms race in the championship nor can the FIA allow FOTA to dictate the rules of Formula 1."

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76293

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Originally Posted by F1boat

This awaits F1 - slow, ugly midget cars.

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Do you mean the cars, or the management? :)

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Originally Posted by F1boat

It is not just the WRC, Daniel. The WTCC is even more pathetic. Compare its cartoonish cars to the beasts in the DTM or the Oz V8 Championship. This awaits F1 - slow, ugly midget cars.

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I've pointed out in another thread, any Championship organised by the FiA, is up **** creek. It's no coincidence that any Championship that has looked fairly strong and a possible threat/rival to F1 has had the rug pulled from under it: WSC, WRC in 2002, etc
The time has come for the FiA/Max to go and take a running jump.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76293

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Yeah, I expect that Max's head will be spewing forth threats and legal jibberish until he (literally) whips himself into a frenzy! Right now, he's the designer of the Titanic swearing that the ship is unsinkable as the ship tilts 45 degrees towards the bow...

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Originally Posted by woody2goody

This seems to boil down to di Montezemolo's belligerence in protecting Ferrari's interests. President of Ferrari AND FOTA. Hmm.

Personally I don't care if these teams aren't in F1. I'll watch the other series but I won't necessarily follow it more than F1 2010.

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Look, don't lose sight if the big picture here. You cannot run a 500+ strong team on £40m a year. Imagine you are employed by an F1 team. Would you be jumping for joy knowing you and half your colleagues were about to get the boot?

And how much would the redundancies cost the teams. What would that do to the local economy.

The FIA are too shortsighted. FOTA have, I believe, made the right decision. I hope they stick with it.

I WANT to see packed circuits, where the track owner makes a profit that he can plough back into his product. I want to see tickets that average Jo can afford. I want to see fuller grids.

If FOTA get it right - and I bet they will - the future of F1* looks bright.

*whatever it will be called

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Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth

I bet all the TV rights holders are pissed. They've paid all this money for F1, which carries with it a fanbase of millions, and now they're left with the F3 expansion pack, F3 Deluxe, which carries with it all those thousands of F3, Williams and Force India fans.

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They can tear their contracts up and shove them up Bernies back passage claiming BOC.