No need to spend money, most of the manufacturers have their own circuits, Ferrari even has 2 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
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No need to spend money, most of the manufacturers have their own circuits, Ferrari even has 2 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Both of which are wholly unsuitable for hosting a GP, assuming you want any spectators or pit facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Suzuka and Fuji are owned by companies who have quit, or are on the verge of quitting, the sport.
Have I missed any?
Can you please STOP writing this rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You keep making the same claim and I keep pointing out where you are wrong.
The FIA members sign up to FIA governance for Motorsport. They sanction national series on behalf of the FIA and the FIA does international ones. THAT IS HOW IT IS!!
Just because you believe it shouldn't be like that, doesn't mean it will ever change.
The only way it will change is if members of the FIA leave. I think this might be a possibility the way things are going but until this happens, it's a moot point.
You are pointing out what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
That the FIA says that they are the ONE and only!
You' welcome to believe that rubbish, I do not.
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Very intelligent, NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Like the old saying goes, "there's no such thing as a free lunch".Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yes, if money grows on trees, every race promoted by FOTA will be free. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...s/rolleyes.gif
Even though certain manufacturers own their own circuits, it doesn't mean there's little cost incurred. Whether you like it or not, it still costs a significant amount of money, time and resources to hold a race. And it's not CHEAP. There's numerous expenses to consider at any venue.
The main business for these Manufacturers is to sell cars (not to manage a racing series). And if you haven't heard already, many of these manufacturers have lost BILLIONS during the past year and many of them are currently in debt or being kept alive by government handouts (Renault).
Face reality. We're in a global recession. These manufacturers should put more resources into keeping their core businesses alive (selling cars) than propping up a race series that will cost hundreds of millions or billions to maintain.
It is widely rumored that the FOTA did make a plan for a breakaway series and already talked to tracks and broadcasters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemmy-Boy
It is said that tracks will get to hold races for as little as 40% of the fees asked by Bernie! Part of the deal would be to have lower ticket prices and allow students and other poorer social groups in for even less.
Same goes for the broadcasters who will have to pay less but the races will have to be on free to air senders.
Also, just FYI, the manufacturers use sponsor money to race in quite a big percentage (100% for Ferrari and BMW at least!).
Not that it will ever happen but has anybody considered what would happen if you had a series run by the manufacturers?
Would they agree on anything?
Montreal could have an open weekend for a race.
I have been thinking that the only time these teams are united is when they are facing the FIA, otherwise they happily tear into each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Exactly. They seek teir own profit, and if they have to stomp someone they´ll happily stomp, bite, hack and dance a conga over their remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by VkmSpouge
That´s why the FOTA is so dangerous. They want profit and power, and someone has to be in charge. OK, maybe they are more democratic than Max, but there´s always someone avobe the rest, and the story starts again... What do you get if a leader arises from a group of power-hungry enterprises?
actually i have being thinking for he last couple of days. i have been watching F1 for last 15 years.
i do not actually care about the they name of the series they race in, more so i actually like the teams and driver i like watch
so i do not care wethere it is called F1 or Formula uno. i would like to watch ferrari, toyota , mclaren etc... racing in any series. driver's like alonso, lewis, massa, kimi, kubica, vettel,..........etc
rather than the GP3 teams like williams . force india, prodrive , lola... who want race with sole aim of just participating in the series, and has no motive of winning it.
I want real action, not a series which calls F1 and drives cars of 1980's with all the restriction. want to watch the race where driver's have balls to fight each other, rather than watch teams just happy to qualify into Q2 like farce INDIA
Actually, you might like to re-phrase that first sentence. :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by race_director
But having said that, I do agree with your sentiments and have posted above concerning the drivers.
If FOTA does come up with a series next year, even if it is fewer races in number, the fact that they will keep most of the current F1 drivers will ultimately kill off any rival series. Just for argument sake, if Williams remains in Max's F1 with Rosberg as his driver, who will Rosberg be racing against? And when he wins all the races and becomes WDC, so what? he would have beaten a string of nobodies racing in tail end F1 cars or souped up GP2 cars.
However, the way I see it, in the end there will be a compromise with Bernie shaking his purse to deal out a bit more money to the teams, and the spending cap to be deferred for the time being. Max will still hold some sort of whip hand. :p : It will be a fair shake of the sauce bottle, fair dinkum.
Well stated old chum :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Back in 1996, Tony George practically had the same excuse to start the IRL. He claimed the IRL would lower costs for everything, like lower broadcast fees, lower promotion fees, lower ticket prices, lower race budgets, bring more excitement and parity back into the sport, etc. And guess what? The Hullman-George family reportedly loss (spent) over $600 million to keep the IRL running against CART.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
A split will only confuse and scare away the fans, make sponsorship money dry up for both series and water down the driver grids for both series.
And where did $600 million get the IRL 10+ years later, especially after reunification? Um...nowhere...
Now the main TV network for the IRL is a 2nd rate sports channel that also shows Rodeo's & 2nd rate MMA cards. A majority of the car field shows little or no sponsorship on their liveries. It's gotten to a point where the Hullman-George family wants to stop the bleeding by removing Tony George from his post at IMS (http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...oming-at-ims/).
Pay drivers are a now common sight in the IRL. Even worse, the face of the IRL is a raven haired woman, who's well known for her curves and SI swimsuit spreads. And their other well known driver is an accused tax dodger who can dance with the stars. Pathetic....
$600 million in losses is a big chunk of change for a measly series like the IRL. Imagine what FOTA will end up facing if they go to war with FIA. We're looking at billions of dollars lost on both sides.
Like it or not, you need a dictator to run a successful motorsport organization. A committee of teams or manufacturers has never worked. There's too many personal or corporate agendas to prevent an organization from moving forward. This is a lose-lose for both sides.
FOTA cannot put together the following on 9 months:
15-18 races on world-class venues up to "F1" standards
A highly-paid for television package
Specially designed cars which adhere to new rules and safety parameters.
It is unworkable for 2010. Chances are they could breakaway and start the new series on poor tracks with poor cars on a satellite TV channel.
Whist I broadly agree, don't forget that it's not just 9 months - they've apparently been working on this behind the scenes for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
Who says it needs TV deal in place? So long as you hire professional teams from local broadcasters (as F1 use to) you can stream it on the internet and offer the feed to whoever wants to take it.
Well there won't be any different cars, they will be F1 cars according to the current 2010 F1 regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bezza
:laugh: Try telling that to the sponsors, "It's ok, we're streaming live on the internet"Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
I'm not scared and won't runaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemmy-Boy
Maybe Americans are easy to confuse though, who knows. :p :
They'll be more than happy! Internet publicity is reaching higher and higher every year and sponsors are very serious about moving towards this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Where they can place ads right next to the stream? Advertisers dream! Still it's a first step and it's still recorded so can be sent to any broadcaster who wants to pay to show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
It must be said that it turns out to be a good thing that Bernie ignored Internet broadcasting! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
It's got a good few years yet before it reaches mass-market levels. Viewing figures for F1 in the UK are up in the 4-5 million mark partly because it on a terrestrial FTA channel (ITV1 for the past decade, now BBC One).Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Stick it online only and the viewing figures will drop through the floor - not something sponsors would countenance.