so if Jorge at yamaha, possibility that edwards at tech3, whos the forth yahama (tech 3) will be, my guess is elias, btw any other rumours?
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so if Jorge at yamaha, possibility that edwards at tech3, whos the forth yahama (tech 3) will be, my guess is elias, btw any other rumours?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78000
caprirex at suzuki for next season
One of puzzles about the next destination for Lorenzo is answered. This left question who will fill Stoner seat if he is not fit to come back to the sport remains unanswered. Perhaps Ducati will wait for more improvement on Kalio performance before they decide him to fill the seat permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaMaster
Stoner has announced that he will be back (woo!) but Ducati has finally had to admit that without him they are in real trouble, hence the huge tilt they had at Jorge. It turns out they also had a lash at trying to get Capirossi back and they have now had minor talks with Pedrosa. Livio Suppo admitted they were disappointed with Hayden's results though they were encouraged with his progress. He couldn't shed any light as yet on whether Nicky will be retained next year. I would assume that Nick will be a fallback if they can't land any of their preferred riders.
Was this because no other Ducati riders managed better position than him, I had impression Hayden has been showing improvement on last couple races. Some space is still available procurable for more improvement, but if can last longer this would be good precedence to retain his next year's ride.
Thats rather poor form isn't it!! asking Loris if he'd like to come back!! I'm so glad he told them what to do with their offer...Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaMaster
Indy MotoGP: Loris Capirossi rejected shock Ducati approach
By Matthew Birt -
MotoGP
28 August 2009 12:35
Loris Capirossi has confirmed he rejected a surprise late approach from Ducati after his new Suzuki deal was announced in Indianapolis.
Capirossi confirmed to MCN yesterday that he was approached about a shock return during the Czech Republic GP earlier this month, which he claims came on the back of a bid by Ducati to re-sign him in Mugello.
MCN understands the bid came from Phillip Morris, with Ducati and Marlboro plunged into crisis by Casey Stoner’s three-race sabbatical to recover from on-going health issues.
Desperate to try and find a replacement for Stoner should the Aussie never return, as has been the subject of intense speculation, Capirossi was sounded out about his interest.
The Italian veteran, who is Ducati’s second most successful rider behind Stoner, quit the Bologna factory in 2007 and he told MCN he has zero interest in returning.
When asked by MCN if he had been targeted, with Ducati at the time also launching a big money raid for Yamaha star Jorge Lorenzo, he said: “Yes, but it’s not my goal.”
Was there anything Ducati could have done to tempt him back after his five-year stint on board a Desmosedici between 2003 and ’07?
“It’s really easy to say, I say no. It was a simple no way, not interested, “said the 36-year-old triple world champion.
Capirossi shunned Ducati’s shock move and instead signed a one-year extension to his current deal with Suzuki. He will partner Spaniard Alvaro Bautista with Aussie Chris Vermeulen dropped.
Stiggy looks like running Yamahas in WSB next season, after disappointing support from Honda despite their obvious pace this year - I'm salivating at the prospect of Mad John Hopkins on a cross-plane R1... I think he may have a serious chance at the title on that bike, even as a customer bike. He hasn't truly shown his wares since coming over to WSB. Haslam will be no slouch either.
Hayden confrimed at Ducati for 2010.... Timely podium last weekend
Well.....that's a surprise so we'll have West who is to ride in WSS again for next season on an R6 on which he can hopefully repeat his previous results on the breed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
And that R6 Westy will be aboard will the the factory R6, by all accounts - as it appears that Yamaha will switching their WSS factory support to Stiggy.
Are Hopper and Haslam signed to Stiggy as yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
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Originally Posted by Pantah Jack
Interesting, what does that mean for the current squad likely to win this years title with Crutchlow, Yamaha Motor Germany?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
Spies continuing with Yamaha for 2010 in WSBK and 2011 with satellite team in MotoGP.
Edwards not yet signed up but negotiations are apparently advanced for him to continue with the Tech team next season.
There appears to be no truth in the rumour that Vespa intends running one of their scooters in MotoGp ridden by Willie Nelson. :D
Oh bugga!!! :) Was really looking forward to that.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod Richardson
rumours that colin edwards has a contract for next season with tech3,
possibility that honda will have 8 riders for next season, with lcr and scot having 2 riders in each team
another possibility that there is another team coming into motogp next season
And Toselands manager said on the grid that JT could end up at Pramac Ducati next year :)
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
The answer seems to have arrived...Quote:
Originally Posted by racer69
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2009...rsport_fr.html
Yamaha plan to completely pull out of WSS in terms of full factory effort, and instead will supply bikes, parts and maybe some technical support to Stiggy.
It's being widely reported that Ben Spies has made the decision to switch to MotoGP with Tech3 next season. Rumours of his replacements include Chris Vermeulen, James Toseland, Alex De Angelis and Cal Crutchlow and tend to suggest that poor Tom Sykes will be out of a job despite a generally solid tho unspectacular debut season.
Sykes performance makes me wonder whether the cross-plane R1 is actually better than any of the other bikes at all... maybe it's completely down to Spies talent, in which case he will certainly be an interesting proposition on an M1.
Spies officially to Tech3 next year.
Not really rumour though when it's official.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/E...Tech+3+in+2010
How do you think of this move Ninja, I see Ben S is a fast learner, exceed my expectation on his debut season gives such a challenge and took the lead WSBK. He might be able to do the same on motogp, pulling away faster than we may expect. This could be double sides of coin that he may grab title of WSBK if he wants to stay for another while, but however motogp is always temptation for all riders.
This may lead Toseland to make a switch to Ben's seat on WSBK, unless his future where to go remains unseen.
Leopard, Toseland appears to have been confirmed as riding Spies old bike in 2010, alongside Cal Crutchlow (so now the pressure is really on Spies and Crutchlow to deliver the title in their respective championships).
And Vermeulen looks like going to Kawasaki in WSB for 2010 - didn't see that one coming, but the ZX-10R showed good pace with wildcards aboard this season and is apparently going to be better in 2010.
Actually team like Yamaha on WSBK have to reset the start off every season if they race using new riders and treat the series as transition period for motogp. Perhaps money talks more on how do they arrange the program that is supposed to win at least a title.
So, motogp is only acid test for Toseland and Vermeulen if finally they decide to go back to basic...
Article from MotoGP website.......Looks like Stiggy is up against it given sponsorship problems
Stiggy Racing Honda and S2 Racing end collaboration
Friday, 02 October 2009 09:57 http://www.worldsbk.com/images/M_images/printButton.pnghttp://www.worldsbk.com/images/M_images/emailButton.png
Stiggy Racing Honda will complete the remainder of the 2009 World Superbike and Supersport Championship on its own feet after terminating its partnership with financial provider S2 Racing.
"I am thankful for what the partners of S2 Racing have done for the team," said Stiggy Racing Honda Team owner Johan Stigefelt. S2 Racing has given the team an opportunity that would have been hard to achieve on my own. It is just very disappointing to conclude that they failed to fulfill their commitments with the team throughout the year."
Stigefelt added: "Although I am left in the dark financially, I still feel the responsibility to continue the season in a successful manner and give the support to the team, our riders and our staff to ensure that they, together with our partners and sponsors, continue to be part of a memorable year."
Stigefelt also added that he will soon make an announcement regarding the future of the team and its participation in the 2010 World Superbike and Supersport Championship.
I think it's a good move Leopard, regardless of whether he wins WSB or not, similar to Vermeulen a few years ago. He now has the stability of a guaranteed 2 years with Yamaha in MotoGP with which to learn and test himself. I really hope he has the goods to be competitive at the pointy end.Quote:
Originally Posted by leopardsleeping
Actually, 2011 is the new improved 'radical' ZX10R under the watchful eye of Master Yoda. Next year is further development of the current ZX10R. But anyway, I'm doing cartwheels here! Finally Kawasaki SBK seem serious and have signed a rider of genuine championship contender calibre. With some further testing and decent backing, I reckon there will be a number of more fancied rivals given a regular hurry-up. With Yamaha being team pommie in WSB, hopefully Kwak will be team Aus with Parkesy alongside Chris the V! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
So who is gonna partner Rea at Ten Kate and Neukirchner at Suzuki now if it ain't Toseland or Vermeulen? Surely Checa's done nothing to deserve to keep his ride (like most of his career) and Kiyonari has been the disappointment of the season. Kagayama is out at Zook so who is his replacement? Elias, De Angelis, Haslam, Sykes, Byrne?
So for the moment the 2010 grid is:
FIAT Yamaha: Valentino Rossi / Jorge Lorenzo
Tech 3 Yamaha: Colin Edwards / Ben Spiess
Repsol Honda: Dani Pedrosa / Andrea Dovizioso
Gresini Honda: Marco Melandri / Marco Simmoncelli
LCR Honda: Randi Du Puniet / ?
Scot Honda: ? / ?
Marlboro Ducati: Casey Stoner / Nick Hayden
Pramac Ducati: Mika Kalio / Niccolo Canepa ?
Aspar Ducati: Hector Barbera
Suzuki: Alvaro Bautista / Loris Caparossi
and a BMW team ?
I think Canepa is out at Pramac, DeAngelis, Elias or Aleix Espargaro would be the likely replacement I would think. Hiroshi Aoyama could deservedly get a ride with LCR or Scot and Talmacsi has a big sponsor that could see him ride for one of those teams or maybe Pramac.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
I don't think there will be a BMW team, they pulled the plug on that to go superbike racing. There is a possible Eskil Suter team though.
And we won't have to wait til next year to see Ben Spies in MotoGP. He's wildcarding in Valencia, possibly with Jordan sponsorship.
Ben Spies at valenicia as a wild card
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/153...ia_motogp.html
imo about spies like his attitude, like him overall, the only reason his on that bike next season, how many bikes they can sell in america, basically impatient wainting till the end of the season if his world sbk or not, fell sorry for james losing his ride and the same for chris, btw if Yamaha wanted james too, why not yamaha give him fifth bike in motogp whereas Ducati (five bikes) and Honda (possibly eight bikes for next season)can do it, also they done it in the past (2003)
i meant to say if yamaha wanted spies in motogp and want to keep toseland as well why not a fifth yamaha bikeQuote:
Originally Posted by jonny hurlock
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/153..._revealed.html
moto2 list, return of roberts yeah.
Well, that's because Toseland has shown absolutely nothing in his two years in MotoGP to earn him a ride next season. Colin Edwards is another worthless MotoGP rider, but at least he gets a podium once in a blue moon. But still I don't know how he has managed to keep his ride this long. IMO, Edwards, Toseland and Vermuelen, all should be sent back to SBK. Well, 2 out of three gone, I expect Edwards to make the seat vacant next year when he gets beaten by Spies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny hurlock
Although I'm still skeptical about how Ben Spies will do in MotoGP, because all great SBK riders have come and failed in MotoGP. But I am sure that he can at least beat Edwards without any problems.
MMMMMMMMM!...........Edwards worthless eh!......You just have to wonder how he got to 6th place in the points race bettered only by the likes of Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner and Dovisioso........amazing how that could happen. Slack bugger is only ahead of 11 others in a field of 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
that the question i'm askingQuote:
Originally Posted by jonny hurlock
your opinion was quite harsh on superbikes riders coming into motogp, so if u don't really like superbike drivers ben spies will flop as-well with your opinion? because i felt vermuelen done a good job with suzuki but faded away for last season, with toseland his done a 10x better job then hodson and byrne put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Whilst I agree that Toseland has deserved demotion, he's gone backwards this year. Vermeulen too, though the Suzuki was a very ordinary bike but he's been comfortably beaten by his teammate. But I don't understand the slagging of Edwards. Seems another ageist opinion to me. No, he's not going to be MotoGP world champ but who is, outside of the top 4, the aliens, Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Stoner? He could well be the next best rider behind those guys come the years end. I don't see how a performance like that is worthless. And time will tell if Spies is much better. I think any of Colin, Chris or James would take it right up to Ben in WSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
I like Vermuelen...think he has decent pace...no he is not gonna be a world champion unless you are counting on a Hayden'ish win
Edwards is probably one of the best in the field when it comes to team/sponsor commitments, and this like it or not is how you need to play the game in the modern age. He's also an excellent development rider and turns in a pretty good result in most races. Maybe he's stopping a young gun from moving up but I reckon he's earned his ride over the years and it's fun having him in the class.
Vermeulen has over the years become well known for lapping at the pace of the leaders towards the end of races, it's just a shame he never got a good factory bike... I think he'd be at Edwards level on a Tech3 and a podium contender on a Fiat Yamaha or Repsol Honda. Ahh well, I'm looking forward to seeing him back in WSB.
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Originally Posted by Rod Richardson
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Originally Posted by jonny hurlock
Well, let me explain. I wanted to say that Edwards is not quite a frontrunner in MotoGP, maybe "worthless" came out as a bit harsh. :D I say Edwards is not the real deal for these reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaMaster
1. He was in two top tier teams, Movistar Honda, and then the factory Yamaha team partnering Rossi, and all he could achieve were two very rare podiums if I remember correctly. A rider of his pedigree in Superbikes, he should have at least won a race.
2. Him and Toseland are on 2009 M1s. Agreed, they don't have factory support like Rossi and Lorenzo, but they ought to be doing much better than what they are now. And while I'm saying that, I agree that he can't really do much better than finishing 5th right now. But I would also say that Tech 3 would be better off with a much talented rider.
That's all.
Paolo Campinoti said in the spanish tv during the race, that Aleix Espargaró will ride with Pramac Ducati in 2010 (http://www.rtve.es/deportes/20091004.../295043.shtml), and Aoyama will ride with a new Honda team (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/A...ss+next+season)Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
That's fair enough reasoning. I guess my argument would be that there isn't really much more talented riders around. Colin is a gun rider.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
On the top tier teams, I remember reading that his Movistar ride was thoroughly overrated, that he was last in line for new parts and the good Michelin tires, hence he left for Yamaha. Edwards described his time with the Yamaha factory team as a double edged sword. On one hand, the equipment was excellent but on the other hand, if things weren't going so well on the other side of the garage then all the focus went there and he was essentially forgotten about, hence the higher highs and lower lows of his results there. That he has been far more consistent as the lead rider with constant attention at Tech3 tends to support that claim.