I know you are the moderator, that's why I said it. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Maybe he should go to DEI. He could hang out around 20th place with Harvick, with nice slow equipment that is more his speed.
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I know you are the moderator, that's why I said it. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Maybe he should go to DEI. He could hang out around 20th place with Harvick, with nice slow equipment that is more his speed.
Keselowski is more inexperienced than untalented. Same with Logano, they should both get another year in Nationwide before the big show.
Harvick is not in HMS equipment, if he was, he'd be running up front alot more, RCR has not been strong for the past 9 years, sure they have built some great chassis' but nothing that was an all-around success.Quote:
Originally Posted by e2mtt
plus Harvick finished 4th in points last year and not even recorded a win, he showed how consistency works. don't start dragging harvick into this cause he has nothing to do with this thread
I never said Keselowski was untalented.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkaDunoFan
I do think he has talent, his stats in the Nationwide Series verify that he has some talent.
(however he is in a top Nationwide Series ride, the results should be there ...)
I stated that Keselowski was over-rated. (Yes, I agree he is inexperienced.)
People seem to think Brad Keselowski is the next Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart.
IMO Brad Keselowski isn't on the same talent level as Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart.
You gotta be kidding. who in their right mind think he is on the same talent level as jeff or tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Yeah, I haven't heard anyone compare Keselowski to past champions like Stewart or Gordon. Now Logano on the other hand...
Honestly, I think the standard right now for these guys is Kyle Busch, and I don't think either of them show quite that much promise. However, time will tell. At the moment they both seem in over their heads.
I am referencing to Jeff Gordon & Tony Stewart - Cup, the early years.Quote:
Originally Posted by muggle not
Keselowski won't measure up IMO.
That is what my statement was also referencing. Keselowski shows nowhere near the talent Jeff or Tony did in their early years.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Well then we must agree. :D :up:
Jeff Gordon won the championship 3 of his first 5 years in Cup. let the others shoot for that accomplishment. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
You keep dragging him in, and he isn't beating his teammates Burton and Bowyer so I would suggest you do your best to not use Harvick at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
harvick drools thinking about getting a hendrick car
junior has a hendrick car but he is the slowest of the 4 hendrick cars
it doesnt take rocket science to see which hendrick driver is lacking
its about DANG TIME.
CONCORD, N.C. (AP)—After months of firmly backing Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s crew chief, car owner Rick Hendrick is now being noncommittal about Tony Eury’s Jr.’s future.
Although Hendrick said Tuesday no personnel changes have been made on Earnhardt’s No. 88 Chevrolet, he declined to give Eury Jr. a vote of confidence a day after NASCAR’s most popular driver had his worst finish of the season. Hendrick even left open the possibility that Earnhardt could have a new crew chief this weekend in Dover, Del.
Earnhardt ran near the back of the pack Monday and finished 40th in the rain-shortened Coca-Cola 600, his worst showing since last season’s finale at Homestead.
I didn't bring him into the subject. but hes having a bad year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
remember he finished 4th last year in the standings, so yeah, he must truely suck :rolleyes:
its not the CC or the car. 5,24,48, plus smoke and private ryan have proven that hendrick motorsports produces great equipment. the one holding the wheel has to have enuff game to get it done.
jr. is a 15th - 25th finishing type of driver that can run up front from time to time. nothing more. its highly unlikely that jr. would have the quality rides had he not won the sperm lottery. unfortunately, it does now appear that the pressure is mounting on him like never before. it will be interesting to watch how much longer he continues to climb behind the wheel. its very possible he retires from driving before the #24 does.
Hendricks on 88 CC sucking
http://www.thatsracin.com/140/story/10390.html
If Eury sucked so bad then Jr would not have had such a good run first 2/3 of last season. I think that he raced hard to prove a point and also had good equipment. This year I feel like he's not even trying, Eury is only a small part of that team's problems.
I dont think Eurys a bad crew chief, i just dont think they are gelling like they used to.
I give credit to Jr.'s crew though, they've been making an extra effort to make sure he finds his pitbox:
http://www.nascar.com/video/cup/2009...car/index.html
Eury is off the pit box. Brian Whitesell is on the box this weekend then Lance McGrew gets the job.
http://www.thatsracin.com/140/story/10408.html
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Tony Eury Jr., who has worked with driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. as crew chief or car chief since his Sprint Cup Series debut in 2000, is no longer working atop the driver's pit box.
Hendrick Motorsports announced Thursday morning that Lance McGrew has been named interim crew chief of the No. 88 beginning with next weekend's race at Pocono. This weekend at Dover, Del., team manager Brian Whitesell will lead the team.
"Our performance hasn't been where it should be," said Rick Hendrick, owner of Hendrick Motorsports. "It's impossible to pin that on any one factor, but a change is the right decision at this point. We have a plan in place, and we're going to move forward with it."
Whitesell and Rex Stump, Hendrick Motorsports' lead chassis engineer, have been assigned to support McGrew. Whitesell, who won two of seven races as Jeff Gordon's interim crew chief in 1999, will join McGrew and team engineer Tom Stewart on the No. 88 pit box to assist with race strategy.
Now The Pressure Is On!!
This is What I Wanted AND GOT
Tony Eury Jr., who has worked with driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. as crew chief or car chief since his Sprint Cup Series debut in 2000, is no longer working atop the driver's pit box.
look at that... Eury is out.
One interesting thing a friend of mine pointed out- last year, despite only winning once, Jr. ran very well & was 2nd in the points for most of the year, until: Darian Grubb announced he was leaving for Tony Stewart's team, and then left this year. Sometimes team chemisty is like that...
the suits in daytona beach have a tremendous amount riding on this. the way tv ratings are plunging, they are hoping this is a grand slam out of the park kinda deal. jr. is the dallas cowboys of nascar. lots of fans hope he does well while lots of fans hope he doesn't do so well.
but all will tune in to watch........
the crew chief is first to go and next in line is the driver if things dont improve
but you have to wonder could an owner have the balls to fire nascars most popular driver
He would be sent packing with most teams, but Rick Hendrick isn't just going to FIRE a guy who is trying his best and it is a chemistry issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldhippie
Jr. has to learn to work a new voice on the radio and new guys running the show in the pits. Things CANT be any worse than the 600 when he was driving like a madman trying to keep from knocking the fence down and losing 2 laps.
http://www.racingone.com/article.aspx?artnum=49530
Well, it is over. The feuding cousins wont be entertaining us on the radio feed on Sirius no more. Rick Hendrick announced today ( and NASCAR on Sirius Covered it all DAY) that Tony Jr. was given a job in the R and D department and that his replacement is Lance McGrew. Brian Whitsell will be part of the team as well Rex Stump ( the man the "T-rex" 24 car was named after). Whatever one may think of Jr., he has to either produce something close to contending for race wins or he will fade off into the sunset.
Personally, I think an old time Hard@ss is the kind of crew chief that I think would work well with JR. A Harry Hyde or Suitcase Jake Elder type who would take the boys out for hot dogs during the race if the driver got too lippy. That kind of guy unfortunately isn't available, so the horse designed by committee better work. The optimist in me knows Rick Hendrick knows what he is doing and these guys are good.......
jr and Tony Eury work much better then Tony Eury jr
Youtellme, it is like you wouldn't be happy til the poor guy lost his job? I do agree he had to go, but it isn't something that was making me happy when I heard about it.
DOVER, Del. -- Kyle Busch and Dale Earnhardt Jr. exchanged sharp volleys Friday about Earnhardt's crew chief change.
"It's never Junior; it's always the crew chief," said Busch, who fired the opening shots when asked about team owner Rick Hendrick's dismissal of Tony Eury Jr. as Earnhardt's crew chief a day earlier.
“
He's got his hands full, I guess, having to deal with what's going on. And if Junior doesn't run well, then [McGrew] is going to be the 'problem' again.
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-- Kyle Busch
Busch's salvo was not taken lightly by Earnhardt.
"He's always had a chip on his shoulder for me," Earnhardt said of Busch, "so I expect any time he gets an opportunity to throw a jab in there he's going to do it. That's just his personality."
Earnhardt replaced Busch at Hendrick Motorsports last year, but since then Busch, driving for Joe Gibbs Racing, has won 11 Sprint Cup races to Earnhardt's one.
Asked about Eury's replacement, Lance McGrew, with whom Busch worked in the Nationwide Series at Hendrick in 2004, Busch expressed sympathy for McGrew.
"He's got his hands full, I guess, having to deal with what's going on," Busch said. "And if Junior doesn't run well, then he [McGrew] is going to be the 'problem' again."
"That doesn't really surprise me," Earnhardt said. "We're working toward how we can make our deal work, and that has nothing to do with Kyle."
Busch said he understood the move to bolster a driver with Earnhardt's star power but weak performance of late.
"You've got to make the most popular driver in the sport competitive, so you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess," Busch said.
But Busch added, "He's the one who brought that crew chief on; he's the one who pulled so hard to bring Eury Jr. in [along with Earnhardt in his move from Dale Earnhardt Inc.].
"It looked like it was working there in the beginning," Busch continued, "and it just hasn't worked since the summer of last year, really. So, whatever makes them better, I guess."
Busch, since being squeezed out in favor of Earnhardt and over salary differences with Hendrick, has vastly out-performed Earnhardt since the beginning of 2008. And Busch has made no secret of his pride in that.
Not only has Busch out-won Earnhardt 11-1, he is currently sixth in points, well within Chase criteria, while Earnhardt is 19th after 12 races. No driver has ever come from 19th at this point in the season to make the Chase. Greg Biffle made the biggest leap, from 19th to 14th, in 2007.
Veteran Jeff Burton expressed more sympathy for Eury, who has been under intense fire for months from Earnhardt's fans, than for anyone else in the shakeup.
"I have a lot of respect for Tony Eury Jr.," Burton said. "I've seen him be part of making an awful lot of race cars go fast, including the cars that Junior was driving.
"If you go back just two years ago [when Earnhardt and Eury were together at DEI], there were an awful lot of races that Junior had chances to win, and compete at a very high level, and had problems," Burton said.
"I think the fans have been excessively
Do you think Dale Jr's number should be changed to –88 to reflect how poorly he is performing ? http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ink/orn/00.gif
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The 1st time any of Dale Jr's crewchiefs over-ride Jr we will see Dale Jr pout & go slower ... http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...nk/orn/ooo.gif
keeping Dale Jr's diaper clean & Jr cooing happily would be a job few would want to attempt ... http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ink/orn/rs.gif
LOL, this guy 'knows' that you are truly a jr fan and are only trying to stir the pot a little with those comments. :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
I keep losing more and more respect for Kyle Busch (busch is a good name for him as he is bush league). Jr is really 'down" with everything that has happened this year and here comes a fellow driver and stomps on him at a time when he must be at his lowest.
It is one thing to be bitter about being fired from a job and being replaced by someone you considered "inferior" (God himself could have taken Kyle's job and Kyle would have been ticked); but is another to then go to another team, do BETTER and then kick a man when he is down.
If Kyle Busch cant figure out why people don't like him, he never will. Oh sure, a few of you guys will be fans because you ignore the stupid crap he has emitting from his mouth and just care about how he drives, but many of us who are not anti-social miscreants just think the kid is a punk. Jr. took the high road, YET again, and didn't really react to Kyle's quotes.
It is the difference between being a punk, and being a man. The ribbing that went on between Dale Sr. and some his rivals was often in fun, and was taken that way by the fandom who understood the dynamic of egos off the track. What we have here is just silly.
Kyle, you are a good driver, probably one of the best in the last 30 years. Shut up, take the high road and let your stats talk for you. Kicking a man when he is down just makes you a classless boob.
Oh yes, before anyone jumps on me for this, let me add this extra bit. People say he is like DW for being outspoken with talent. WRONG. DW was also entertaining. Show me the entertainment in anything Busch says. There is none. This is a guy who is kicking Jr. because he is pi$$ed Hendrick let him go. What he has never failed to recognize there is more to this business than just sitting in the car. Helping the team and being a good PR man is part of it. Kyle ripped the COT after winning the first race with the car. HE walked away from his team in Phoenix a few years back when he tore the car up, and he left the track while the team was fixing the car to put it back on the track to get HIM POINTS. They put.....Dale Jr. in the car (his motor blew in typical DEI fashion) to get Kyle points because Kyle gave up on his team. THAT maybe why he was shown the door. Rick Hendrick wont ever admit any of that publically but you have to know with the family concept of how he runs things at HMS, that was being an ungrateful, spiteful man child.
IN 20 years, I will be shocked if there will be any great love for Kyle Busch the way we eventually warmed up to other manchilds in this sport such as Earnhardt Sr. or DW. The kid is a punk. A talented one...but just a punk once he is out of the race car.
Well now that JR doesnt have Tony to work with,lets just see how well he handles the rest of the year,meaning if he doesnt make the chase,who well he blame or take the blame himself.
Geez, jslone. Jr doesn't put the blame on others, his name isn't Kyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jslone
Couldn't have said it better myself. The term "spoiled brat" comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
i think Kyle is hated for-lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
if the Dale sr fans still hate Jeff Gordon, and JR nation is bigger then his father fan base, Kyle will never be liked, and i dont think he wants the fans loving him, after the comment he made about JR this past weekend
I really dont think Kyle cares if he is not well-liked, hes telling it like it is. who cares if all of the Jr fans hate Kyle. cause if anyone actually takes it serious is a dimwit. Fans have to remember that liking a driver is only a fantasy, you like the driver, but he/she will never come to your door or call you saying if you want to hang out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The instant classic
so please, its for entertainment purposes only.
i agree with that, i just wish more fans could understand that one, that wolud save me alot of online fights :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1