Which makes me miss MS even more, he was able to get good results even with a dud like the 2005 Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
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Which makes me miss MS even more, he was able to get good results even with a dud like the 2005 Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
I miss not only MS, but the old Schumi-Brawn-Todt combination. They achieved so much together. They were such a dominant force!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Maybe Ferrari will start to build up a new era of success in the new decade, but they need to improve the management structure and the drivers combo for that to happen.
You are right, of course. Michael and his team was special even when the car was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Looks like even getting in Q3 will be difficult tomorrow.
At least in the previous races they were fast in FP2, now they are slow even with that occasion.
The worse part is that apart a couple of tiny changes to the front wing I can't see anything new on the car since the first race. Are they working back in Maranello or they are holidaying with Dave Ryan in Bali?!
Something is very wrong at Ferrari at the moment :( Hopefully the they will make Q3 at least :)
I'm not a Ferrari fan (so sorry if I shouldn't be here) but I'm here to cheer you guys up. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Things will change. Ferrari is a great team. They seem to have made some bad decisions with their personnel, but they can learn from it. I think the F60 fundamentally has speed in it. It can be up there with the Red Bull and Toyota. If setup correctly.
That's a big IF cause it can make all the difference between being fast and being slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by aryan
I don't know if the guys that were part of the testing team during the pre-season tests are in the racing team, but if they aren't than they should get them cause they were clearly better at getting the best out of the car than what we see now.
So, it seems that removing KERS was another mistake.
Not only it didn't improve handing but they also lost all the advantages it provides.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74535
Hopefully someone will be smart enough and install KERS overnight, but again I'm not holding my breath on this one.
"Non conosca il loro culo dal loro gomito"Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Pretty sad. It looks like they are doing things just in order not get bored, but without thinking about it first.
And I don 't buy it that it's a safety problem. They had 2 problems on Kimi's car in Malaysia, one of them due to the extremely heavy rain.
Who stops them from keeping KERS on board given that it doesn't influence the car's ballance and turn it off if it starts raining and they fear that the problem will resurface again.
Also I can't help but notice that while other teams are continuously improving their cars with all kind of new parts (like Mclaren's new diffuser) the Ferrari team only manages to bring invisible developments that doesn't seem to move them forward.
Radical problem need radical solutions not refining small detail of a useless solution.
A few years ago they would bring plenty of new parts for testing in order to improve things, now they barely dare to do something like if they are afraid not to make it worse.
Well, it can't get worse than no points at all, so they better pull their fingers out and start working hard.
Well, Kimi said after todays practice that "car isnt awful, but we are just not getting anywhere (Ferrari is just slow)."
It really seems very difficult at the moment. Im sure Ferrari will get much better during the season but it doesnt matter if they lose points to the leaders at this rate. Maybe they should already start to working with next years car if things dont improve quickly.
Ioan, my fellow tifosian, I fear it is worse than just not working hard enough at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Talentless, directionless fools can work their arses off but they will still be talentless and directionless....just tired as well.
The current situation is solely down to the very people who have produced this situation, so I have little faith that they can turn it around no matter how many hours they work.
So why did they not keep Todt in better esteem?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I'm starting to be a bit worried about this all Italian team dream.
Kimi says :
“It would have been useful to run it on at least one car to understand the situation better .”
He's talking about KERS .
They are not talking like a team .
This isn't good .
Especially when you hear Briatore saying that they were able to improve their car performance over night by just putting pieces together with their handsQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
and a couple of file. That's very telling of Briatore's ability - and Alonso's as well for that matter - to turn a losing team into a winning team - kind of - with a low budget team very rapidly (nothing comparable to the big ones anyway).
It gets even better. Read this: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...18173818.shtml. What a bunch of quitters. Renault able to improve their car overnight and these guys are already giving up after they kept in f........... everything up last year and this year and they getting ready to do the same for next year unless the whole team gets totally fired from the forst guys to the last - excluding the mechanics obviously and Monty.
The title chase for 2009 was over at the end of 2006........it just took a long time for them to slide down to the bottom.....but do not worry, they still got a way to go before Force India starts whipping their tail, max styleQuote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
Kimi also critisized the team for running all the supersoft sets during quali. No fresh sets for the race, zero chance for any tactics, no KERS to overtake in the start, no nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
They´ll be happy to score any points today.
Massa also was vocal about the lack of KERS during qualifying and race start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
It's good that the drivers are finally raising the voice in order to pressure the engineers.
What I do not understand is why, after it was obvious that taking KERS out didn't improve the balance of the car (according to both drivers and engineers) they didn't put it back on?!
It would have given them a couple of tenths in term of lap times and that would have mean that Massa would have made it into Q3 and Kimi would have got a better starting position, not to mention they would have had a much needed advantage at the start.
It bothers me that they manage to understand the situation but seem to take the wrong decisions.
So KERS is not 100% reliable, that doesn't mean that they can't use it for a couple flying laps during qualifying and for the start, and then just turn it off if they are so afraid of it.
Also Kimi is 100% right that they should have conducted a KERS vs no-KERS car comparison before taking a decision.
What is even more funny is that the drivers have a better view of what should be done than the engineers do.
The teams lack direction. They just run around themselves chasing their own tail instead of setting a direction to follow.
It's incredible that McLaren and especially Renault already have a working intermediate DD diffuser solution while Ferrari have nothing but empty words.
What disaster. Words are failing me, for now.
Vettel to Ferrari?
Sure...but they'd still suck just as much as they do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Why would he want to do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Red Bull don't have a diffuser and they took a fairly dominant 1-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari have much bigger issues than just a diffuser. Starting with reliability.
Well I'd be stupefied if Ferrari aren't able to mend their ways. Another German in scarlet? I'll take that!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
He sure isn't stupid to do that, and RedBull will not give him up for any amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Maybe they should put Stepney on charge after all that's why he was not happy wit the team as he felt he had more rights than Domenicalli.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
He obviously did a good job when in charge of the QC department.
What's the problem with Massa today? kimi also had engine issues too. WTF is going on with the Reds? It's like they are Force India or something. Taking big gambles when they shouldn't.
I'd like to see someone take the lead and keep the team consistent and improve reliability and finish races in the point. this is a total regress of a race not progress.
To be fair, Massa was driving pretty bloody well today until the car switched off.Quote:
Originally Posted by superocean
Solution?
Bye bye Stefano, welcome back Jean!
Not gonna happen though. :(
I don't know whether I'm allowed to post here since I don't hate Mclaren :) . Anyway, Ferrari is a total mess, they've had about 4 technical problems out of possible six, the car is slow, the strategies are not working. I think the drivers are the only piece of the puzzle that is basically ok, they are the same guys that brought Ferrari 2 consecutive championships. Domenicali must go now...bring on anybody, someone outside Italy as team manager, bring Byrne back full-time. Do something!
The one positive aspect today was that Massa was doing great in the wet, clearly better than what the car's level is, so he's got the will to fight and the team should do their best to give him what he needs to show his skills.
Its great to see that Ferrari are back, the proper, tempremental, overly political, very italian, underperforming Ferrari I knew as a child (thinking late 80s to early 90s here), not the rather un-italian ruthlessly efficient Anglo-French-German alliance of the Schumacher era which whilst effective wasnt what I would consider Ferrari to be about. Long may it continue (though due to lack of results I doubt that both Ferrari or Ferrari's fans will see it quite the same way as I!).
Massa's drive in the rain was good but too early to call it great. he's no MSC or Vettle. anyone can have a good day or bad day, given that Hammy had so many issues in the rain Massa needs to be good consistently in the rain for me to believe he can drive in the rain.
This mess is really getting on my nerves, i don't think i am enjoying the races as much.
does Fan mean something else in Britain? feel the need to Troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
Absolutely not, i'm a fan of proper, true, old school Ferrari, not the b@$tardised version of the mid 90s Benetton team that they were for far too long, I loved the passionately political mess that they were in the early 90s, gave the team loads of character and in spite of this they very nearly won the 1990 championship!Quote:
Originally Posted by superocean
Bugger off. And learn to read next time you visit a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
True, they did very nearly win it...until Mclaren cheated them out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
But, believe me, being a Ferrari fan was no fun for most of the late 80's/early 90's. Seeing it collapse back into farce is no fun.