FGP For 2009 *Final results online*

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well, I was expecting an answer as to why you included drivers that can not be used in combination with any chassis + engine + 2nd and 3rd drivers. Instead I get an arrogant bumbling with quotes from Stalag 17.

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Ioan you are a true buzz kill.

You find fault with the game, which is pretty straightforward and has been well liked for the past few years, and then you proceed to insult the host when he doesn't answer your question to your liking?

You can "expect" an answer all you want, but such an attitude does nothing to make one forthcoming. You have a valid point though, but the follow up makes one less than willing to deal with the issue.

It's a game. I suggest relaxing a bit, and understanding that we are all here for a bit of fun. N.Jones has put a lot of time and effort into this FGP with little reward other than our gratitude, and when that is lacking, it sure seems less fun doesn't it?

Cheer up mate and just enjoy the game :|

now to the problem on hand;
N.Jones, despite ioan's comments, he does have a valid point though and you probably should address the situation.
Massa' price and using a the cheapest 2nd and 3rd driver along with chassis and engine maxes out at $47M, making it impossible tu use Hamilton in any combination. I would suggest revising the top drivers down a bit in order to allow a bit more flexibility and options for people, as well as those, like Ioan, who desperately want to use LH as their driver (kidding ioan). But even if you do choose Massa, it would be pointless since you would only be guaranteeing yourself a maximum of 8 point every race. Instead, peopel would be better off choosing the engine and/or chassis and still get the same result, while allowing themselves more options in the drivers. As it is currently configured, there is absolutely no incentive to choose any one of the top 4 drivers, which seems a bit odd in my book. tough on the fans of LH, Massa. Kimi and Kubica, who know, choosing their driver, simply means loosing out every weekend.

A while back, there was also a suggestion of making a different price for the STR- Ferrari, Force India- Mercedes, Williams-Toyota, and RBR- Renault engines, for more flexibility. Could this be considered?

Let me know if you want help on this and we can go from there.

cheers

I thought about increasing the budget to 50 million, but that would impact everyone and I wanted to avoid forcing twenty people to resend their team. The question is how do I make a change with out peeving people off?

Do I lower Hamilton, Massa, and Raikkonen and hope the teams already posted will not....wait a minute, if I change their prices everyone is open to change their team until the 25 March deadline.

I will look into that. I quickly discounted ioan's statement because it came across as negative to me and I am not dealing with that in a fantasy setting.
Did I misjudge your post, ioan?

After looking over the pricing list I see that I did indeed make a mistake than ioan uncovered. The current list does not allow anyone to choose Hamilton and it severely limits the choices for anyone choosing Massa through Kubica. Therefore I have a new pricing list for drivers:

DRIVERS

Hamilton 27
Massa 26
Raikkonen 25
Kubica 24
Alonso 23
Heidfeld 20
Kovalianen 17
Vettel 14
Trulli 12
Glock 10
Webber 10
Piquet Jr 9
Rosberg 8
Nakijima 7
Bourdais 6
Buemi 5
Button 4
2nd TBA Driver 3
Sutil 2
Fisichella 2

This way all drivers can be had although as usual, the better the driver you choose the smaller the budget you have when filling out the rest of your squad.

If there is a way to edit my original post and add the above I would.
ALSO - You may edit you team as much as you like up to the 25 March deadline. It is an unwritten rule that I have used since taking over FGP.

Thanks to everyone who has entered and I hope this will encourage more to join up!

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Originally Posted by truefan72

now to the problem on hand;
N.Jones, despite ioan's comments, he does have a valid point though and you probably should address the situation.
Massa' price and using a the cheapest 2nd and 3rd driver along with chassis and engine maxes out at $47M, making it impossible tu use Hamilton in any combination. I would suggest revising the top drivers down a bit in order to allow a bit more flexibility and options for people, as well as those, like Ioan, who desperately want to use LH as their driver (kidding ioan). But even if you do choose Massa, it would be pointless since you would only be guaranteeing yourself a maximum of 8 point every race. Instead, peopel would be better off choosing the engine and/or chassis and still get the same result, while allowing themselves more options in the drivers. As it is currently configured, there is absolutely no incentive to choose any one of the top 4 drivers, which seems a bit odd in my book. tough on the fans of LH, Massa. Kimi and Kubica, who know, choosing their driver, simply means loosing out every weekend.

A while back, there was also a suggestion of making a different price for the STR- Ferrari, Force India- Mercedes, Williams-Toyota, and RBR- Renault engines, for more flexibility. Could this be considered?

Let me know if you want help on this and we can go from there.

cheers

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The point of rating the best teams high is to discourage "super" teams. Wouldn't everyone choose some type of McLaren/Ferrari combo with their favorite driver or chassis/engine/favorite GP if that was possible? The point of fantasy is to get a chance to setup a team and see if you can do better than the people that get paid to do this stuff! :) It is the same with any fantasy sport - to see if the "arm-chair quarterbacks/coaches/managers" can really do better than the people who get paid to do it.

Phew.....my teams unchanged!

Yep. I changed the top four drivers as that would impact everyone the least.

oooh, a rule change to exploit...

TEAM: Blue Ridge Engineering

Driver 1: Raikkonen (25)
Driver 2: Sutil (2)
Driver 3: Hulkenberg (1)
Chassis: Red Bull (7)
Engine: Toyota (12)
Bonus GP: European GP at Valencia.

47m

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Ioan you are a true buzz kill.

You find fault with the game, which is pretty straightforward and has been well liked for the past few years, and then you proceed to insult the host when he doesn't answer your question to your liking?

You can "expect" an answer all you want, but such an attitude does nothing to make one forthcoming. You have a valid point though, but the follow up makes one less than willing to deal with the issue.

It's a game. I suggest relaxing a bit, and understanding that we are all here for a bit of fun. N.Jones has put a lot of time and effort into this FGP with little reward other than our gratitude, and when that is lacking, it sure seems less fun doesn't it?

Cheer up mate and just enjoy the game :|

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I didn't insult anyone, I merely pointed out a fault and asked if there is a reason to it.


Have fun with the game. :)

Team Name: 64 Rox

Driver: Alonso 23
Driver: Fisichella 2
Driver: M Schumacher 1
Chassis: Force India 3
Engine: Mercedes 18
Bonus Monaco

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Originally Posted by ioan

I didn't insult anyone, I merely pointed out a fault and asked if there is a reason to it.


Have fun with the game. :)

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ioan, relax and participate. Sometimes you come off too strong with the comments and calling N.Jones arrogant and in context was a little boorish. But lets have fun here and please do supply a team. should be fun :)

Chassis: Renault 14
Engine: Mercedes 18
Driver 1: Timo Glock 10
Driver 2: Sebastien Buemi 5
Driver 3: Pedro de la Rosa 1
Bonus GP: Abu Dhabi

Total 48

Team name: Nissanity Defenses Automovilismo (NDA)

Team: Viper

Driver 1 Trulli (12)
Driver 2 Glock (10)
Driver 3 Coultard (1)
Chassis Red Bull (7)
Engine Mercedes (18)
Bonus GP Britain

Team: Prancing Horse

Driver #1 - Vettel 14
Driver #2 - Glock 10
Driver #3 - Badoer 1
Chassis - Force India 3
Engine - Ferrari 20
Bonus GP - Germany

UpOn3

Chassis: Red Bull
Engine: Toyota

UpOn3

Chassis: Red Bull $7m
Engine: Toyota $12m
Driver1: Heidfeld $20m
Driver2: Rosberg $8m
Driver3: Hulkenberg $1m
Bonus GP: GP Belgium @ Spa-Franc.

yeah team

Vettel 14
Sutil 2
Klien 1
Renault 14 - Chassis
BMW 16 - Engine
Bonus GP - Brazil

If I have Ide as my test driver can I have him for free?

Failing that:

Team: Toyota
Chassis - Toyota $11m
Engine - Toyota $12m
Driver 1 - Trulli $12m
Driver 2 - Glock $10m
Reserve - Kobayashi $1m
Bonus GP - Japan (the one time I actually wanted Fuji to be on the calender!)

Team : INTO THE RED

Chassis : Ferrari 22 mill
Engine: McLaren Mercedes 18 mill
Driver: Buemi 5 mill
Driver: Fisichella 2 mill
Driver: Badoer 1 mill

Bonus GP: Australia

Total Budget 48 mill

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Originally Posted by 93VTEC

Vettel 14
Sutil 2
Klien 1
Renault 14 - Chassis
BMW 16 - Engine
Bonus GP - Brazil

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How about a team name, buddy?

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Originally Posted by Nikki Katz

If I have Ide as my test driver can I have him for free?

Failing that:

Team: Toyota
Chassis - Toyota $11m
Engine - Toyota $12m
Driver 1 - Trulli $12m
Driver 2 - Glock $10m
Reserve - Kobayashi $1m
Bonus GP - Japan (the one time I actually wanted Fuji to be on the calender!)

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:rotflmao:

Team Lola

Driver 1 - Trulli 12
Driver 2 - Rosberg 6
Driver 3 - Klien 1
Chassis - Toyota 11
Engine - Mercedes 18
Bonus GP - Italy

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Originally Posted by LolaLita

Team Lola

Driver 1 - Trulli 12
Driver 2 - Rosberg 6
Driver 3 - Klien 1
Chassis - Toyota 11
Engine - Mercedes 18
Bonus GP - Italy

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credit crunch I know but cough up an extra 2 million for Nico :D :p :

Team Spanner

Driver 1 - Webber £10m
Driver 2 - Glock £10M
Driver 3 - Hulkenberg £1m
Chassis - Red Bull £7m
Engine - Ferrari £20m

Bonus GP - Austalia

Total £48m

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Originally Posted by LolaLita

Team Lola

Driver 1 - Trulli 12
Driver 2 - Rosberg 6
Driver 3 - Klien 1
Chassis - Toyota 11
Engine - Mercedes 18
Bonus GP - Italy

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You will need to change your team as Rosberg is rated an 8, not a six. This gives you a total budget of 50 million, two over the limit.

As a reminder:

New pricing list for drivers:

DRIVERS

Hamilton 27
Massa 26
Raikkonen 25
Kubica 24
Alonso 23
Heidfeld 20
Kovalianen 17
Vettel 14
Trulli 12
Glock 10
Webber 10
Piquet Jr 9
Rosberg 8
Nakijima 7
Bourdais 6
Buemi 5
Button 4
2nd TBA Driver 3
Sutil 2
Fisichella 2


ALSO - You may edit you team as much as you like up to the 25 March deadline.

Ok once more times

Rosberg, you're FIRED :D

Team Lola

Driver 1 - Trulli 12
Driver 2 - Bourdais 6
Driver 3 - Klien 1
Chassis - Toyota 11
Engine - Mercedes 18
Bonus GP - Italy

:laugh:

Cool, thanks for the update.

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

As a reminder:

New pricing list for drivers:

DRIVERS

Hamilton 27
Massa 26
Raikkonen 25
Kubica 24
Alonso 23
Heidfeld 20
Kovalianen 17
Vettel 14
Trulli 12
Glock 10
Webber 10
Piquet Jr 9
Rosberg 8
Nakijima 7
Bourdais 6
Buemi 5
Button 4
Barrichello 3
Sutil 2
Fisichella 2

CHASSIS (NO price change, just reflecting new name of former Honda team)
Ferrari 22
McLaren 20
BMW 17
Renault 14
Toyota 11
STR 9
Red Bull 7
Williams 6
Brawn GP 4
Force India 3
ALSO - You may edit you team as much as you like up to the 25 March deadline.

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It's official - Rubens Barrichello is the 2nd driver for Brawn GP, which is the new name of the former Honda squad.

Team-Hardrock Returns to Prison From the Hospital for the Criminally Insane

Ferrari power-plant 20
Brawn Chasis 4
Kovalianen 17
Bourdais 6
Hulkenburg 1

It looks like we will not have a website this season as andreag has not gotten back to me.

So we will go the low budget way during these sour times and post everything here in the forum.

Team name: Rooster
Engine: Ferrari 20
Chassis: Mclaren 20
Driver: Buemi 5
Driver: Sutil 2
Driver: De la Rosa 1
Bonus GP: Japan
Total: 48

Something I may have forgotten to add in the rules but will make sure to add next season:

3rd drivers - they only score points for your team if one of your other two drivers does not race a grand prix. Take my team for example. My race drivers are Glock & Sutil and my 3rd driver is Kobayashi. If my 3rd driver replaced Trulli for the Belgium GP and finished 8th I would not receive his points because I still have Glock & Sutil racing in the Belgium GP. Kobayashi would ONLY score points for me in the above example if Sutil was also out of the Belgium GP. Kobayashi would also score points for me if he replaced Glock in a GP and finished in the points.

team : racession

driver 1 : Alonso (23)
driver 2 : Button (4)
driver 3 : Coulthart (1)

engine : Force India (3)

chassis : BMW (16)

total : 47 mil

bonus GP : Abu Dhabi, UAE

It's actually Force India chassis and BMW engine, but you are not over the budget so no worries. :)

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

Something I may have forgotten to add in the rules but will make sure to add next season:

3rd drivers - they only score points for your team if one of your other two drivers does not race a grand prix. Take my team for example. My race drivers are Glock & Sutil and my 3rd driver is Kobayashi. If my 3rd driver replaced Trulli for the Belgium GP and finished 8th I would not receive his points because I still have Glock & Sutil racing in the Belgium GP. Kobayashi would ONLY score points for me in the above example if Sutil was also out of the Belgium GP. Kobayashi would also score points for me if he replaced Glock in a GP and finished in the points.

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Though you say you forgot to mention it in the rules does it still apply this year? I'd be in favor of a system where if all three drivers race the highest two finishers are the ones that score, or something to that extent.

Thanks again for running this!

Yes. Actually it has been a rule since the days when ArrowsF1 ran the FGP.

Team name: Blink F1

Driver 1: Nico Rosberg (8)
Driver 2: Rubens Barrichello (3)
Driver 3: Pedro de la Rosa (1)
Chassis: BMW (17)
Engine: Mercedes (18)
TOTAL: £47m

Bonus GP: Australian Grand Prix

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Team-Hardrock Returns to Prison From the Hospital for the Criminally Insane

Ferrari power-plant 20
Brawn Chasis 4
Kovalianen 17
Bourdais 6
Hulkenburg 1
Bonus race Silverstone

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Kings!!!

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

Yes. Actually it has been a rule since the days when ArrowsF1 ran the FGP.

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I thought that maybe you left that out intentionally.

But since it still applies, please change my 3rd driver from De la Rosa to Kobayashi