Must be the age! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
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Must be the age! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Apparently, the road access issues aren't going to be a problem....because everyone's coming by bus...
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/ne...l/article.html
If they can pull this off it'll be a miracle....
Don't see it somehow :dozey:Quote:
Fans could travel by bus from Nottingham, Leicester or Derby, take the train to East Midlands Parkway Station or fly to East Midlands Airport
Me neither- I can just imagine the way this is going to play out- for about a fortnight after the GP every F1 forum and the letters page of Autosport will be full of comments from people who parked their cars in Nottingham or Derby at the crack of dawn, and eventually got into Donington somewhere around Lap 45 of the race because the buses were late.....
...and what odds will you give me that shortly before the race Network Rail announce major Sunday engineering works somewhere crucial on the rail route to East Mids Parkway....?
Oh this gets better and better...
I have an idea, why not host the Grand Prix at a venue which has a dual carriageway right to the front gates, oh I don't know, somewhere like, Silverstone?!
I've never been to a Formula 1 race before, and I'm certainly not going to be going now! Unless I get to Silverstone next year!
Bernie hasn't just bought a bus company has he....? LOL
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Originally Posted by wedge
With due respect, all big businesses, when setting up new branches or setting up in new regions, don't expect to make money for first few years.
I work for a company, and we're expanding into a new european market every year as part of our growth, and the business plan doesn't show any profit margins targetted until the 4th year.
Sure, China been there 5 years, but its much bigger than any European economy, so obviously will take a while.
I'm sure when F1 first started in most economies, it took a while to develop into a money making success.
We can't expect 1 F1 race a year, for 5 years to make it into a huge sporting event.
Does Monza and other European tracks get government funding? I wasn't under the understanding that Monza, Spain, France etc all get public funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
If European circuit owners/promoters struggle with making a huge profit with Grand Prixs then surely so would China. Perhaps a new business model is needed for CVC because at this rate we'll be seeing Bernie dealing with African dictators to hold an F1 race!Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
There has been government funding of the Monza pit-lane rebuild back in 2001, while the Monza Royal Park is owned by the Lombardy council.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Magny Cours was hand-picked by the French Government to be the site of the French GP on the basis that Nevers is in the middle of nowhere and they wanted to do something to promote the region.
Spain's circuits are supported heavily by the local councils.
Nobody drives to Monza. Well, very very few. Of course, we couldn't have British race fans using park & ride schemes now, could we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover V8
See the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Free buses to & from Monza railway station & and free trains from Milan Centrale right up to the Lesmos station, situated about 100 yards from the track.
No no, that's not the way we do things here. We don't do 'free'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Have you got source for this? I'd be interested in reading more about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Am I not right in thinking, though, that these forms of government support pale into insignificance compared with the assistance rendered by governments in some of the 'new' host nations?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I also seem to recall Silverstone getting (controversially) government funding for the new link road a few years ago.
Quite a lot of aviation events I go to in the UK have good free bus services, but can the same be said for any motorsport events here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I can confirm the Magny Cours part of his post. I did study in Nevers at the Institut Superieur de l'Automobile et Transports (which also begin it's existence due to the same plan), and talked to many people who work in the automotive and motorsport industry in that region.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Fortunately, the aviation events don't have a money grubbing Hobbit moving the decimal point to the right three places on the ransome to simply hold the events. Bernie doesn't care a lick what it costs the track owners and promoters to actually make the event happen. The best thing that could happen to F1 would be the economy getting so bad that 90% of the teams loose their sponsorship and can't even afford to participate and it all goes tits up and has to be re-formed without him. F1 has gotten waay to big for it's britches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
What Bernie doesn't seem to care about is that just because there are entire countries that apparently have the capital to meet his demands, it doesn't mean that there are enough so called racing fans to afford and digest the ticket prices that can actually financially siupport his races in these markets. I can't wait to see this business model come crashing down about him, which it will in due time.
But if Monza can do it...?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
For Monza - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/1698064.stmQuote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
For Magny Cours - http://www.f1ticket.info/circuits.php?ID=11
Fuji uses a bus service. IIRC Fuji has one main access road and was gridlocked well into the evening - Valve Bounce will probably correct me with his personal experience.
With present infrastructure, I can see Donny struggling.
but are they really "free".Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
we have a saying- "you don't get something for nothing" so have the ticket prices been jacked up to pay for this "free" service coz i can't see the organisers giving this service away for nothing.
I have no problem with the idea in theory- I just doubt the ability of the organisers and the British public transport industry to deliver it with any degree of competence....Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
As I said, they manage it for other events, so why not the GP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rover V8
Isn't the public transport plan a recognition that the road network will not cope with the kind of traffic that normally attends a GP?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Whether the British public, used to car access to Silverstone, will abandon their cars to get to Donington is the question. Other circuits running the kind of services that Donington are planning may not be an indicator of the plan working.
But, in these times, I guess it's an admirable idea.
Im guessing people camping will still be able to drive to the circuit?
Because its Britain! Unless you live in certain cities then public transport isn't exactly high on confidence is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
cities, like Nottingham maybe, which has agreat public transport system - oh, and happens to be close to the circuit.
this isn't a last ditch measure when the car parks are under water, this is being planned 18 months out, and makes a great deal of sense. sure there is an infinate number of things that could F up, but if there is no car entrance on race day then there will be no cars in a queue and as long as they designate enough parking wherever they run the buses from and enough buses then it will probably be better than trying to get out of any race circuit in the country when there are 100,000+ people trying to get out at once.
i'm sure everyone will moan (oh, the indignity of having to get on a bus), but its a practical solution to a real problem, being thought out well in advance - very un-British ;)
Monza General Admission - 60EurosQuote:
Originally Posted by acorn
Silverstone General Admission - 109 Pounds.
Since a ticket for Monza costs less than half that of one for Silverstone, they could provide gold-plated horse-drawn carriages for each individual ticket holder and still it would cost less than getting in at Silverstone.
And that's before the you've calculated the cost of the fuel you'd use getting to the entrance gates.
What do you know about Nottingham anyway :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
There really isn't a problem with Transport too and from Donny. The airport's within spitting distance of the circuit and the M1 runs close by. There are some large retail and industrial complexes near that could easily operate park and ride for drivers and train links are good.Quote:
this isn't a last ditch measure when the car parks are under water, this is being planned 18 months out, and makes a great deal of sense. sure there is an infinate number of things that could F up, but if there is no car entrance on race day then there will be no cars in a queue and as long as they designate enough parking wherever they run the buses from and enough buses then it will probably be better than trying to get out of any race circuit in the country when there are 100,000+ people trying to get out at once.
i'm sure everyone will moan (oh, the indignity of having to get on a bus), but its a practical solution to a real problem, being thought out well in advance - very un-British ;)
OK, there isn't a 10 lane Motorway terminating at the front gate but I am sure that the road that is there will be improved. (Can they please flatten the bump at the bottom of the hill before the left hander on the way to Melbourne please)
However, apart from that, with a little planning, it would be ideal.
I certainly agree that the access to Donny could be good if a few modifications were made to the approach roads. And indeed maybe they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
However modifications to roads such as that take at least 5 years from proposal to opening, even for the smallest schemes. 10-15 years is more realistic. So they have to work with what they have got in the meantime.
Ecclestone refuses to rule out reinstating the race at some point in the future.
He said that while returning to Montreal will be "difficult", he "never says never" to anything.
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Bet the same does not cover Siverstone.
Its a very clever idea, everyone seems to be forgetting that Silverstone also run a park and ride system - the only problem which that is that the buses get caught up in the car traffic parking at the circuit. Doningtons plan will eliminated this - the number of buses shouldnt be a problem, last years race Stagecoach provided an abundance of buses as they only did a one way run!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Nottingham, Derby and Leicester are all covered by different bus companies, therefore they should be able to treble the number of buses required on a Sunday compared to what Silverstone use, combine this with trains and planes it'll be a fool proof plan to get 100,000+ people out of the circuit in ten minutes.
And remember say your driving up from the south and parking at Leicester, the majority of other people will also be doing this, reducing the traffic problems at car parks as people try to fight to get where they want to go.
Another point - London 2012 is going to be public transport ONLY - officially you're not even allowed to drive anywhere near!
I've a simple answer.
Reserve and pay for your tickets online and specify which park and ride you wish to collect them from. Then have a ticket machine like at train stations to key in your receipt number into and bobs your auntie.
Nobody will drive to the circuit if they cannot get a ticket from there.
Actually, thinking about it for a moment, you would need a hell of a lot of busses.
3 different park and rides holding 25k cars each is rather a lot.
Then you have 35 people per bus = 2857 journeys betweek 07:00 and 10:00 or about 1000 per site.
Say the busses can make a round trip every 40 minutes, you will need about 100 busses per site.
Thats a hell of a lot of capacity?
The answer is simple. Ban spectators. Problem solved.
Double deckers will hold 70ish so I've just cut your 100 buses in half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
The way it'll be done is you specify where you'll park, therefore the organisers will then know where everyone will be parking and can suitably assign the correct numbers of buses to each site
Does the no car rule disclude the people that choose to camp at the GP? You can't exactly carry a weekends worth of camping gear on public transport. :p Thinking about it what if you choose to stay in a nearby hotel, are you going to have to drive from you hotel a few miles away to an out of town car park somewhere to get a bus back in again? All sounds quite complicated.
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Originally Posted by LiamM
Good idea.
Get Tom Chilton* to drive and you'll only need 1 bus for everyone until Reidy taps him over :D
*(Have to had seen Top Gear last night)
I was thinking just for race day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl
Limited Park and Ride can be used for Friday and Saturday but campers would have car parking.
People from Hotels can either get a Taxi to the circuit or get to a park and ride.
Both links say state funding is needed. Have you got a source stating that state funding was actually recieved?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Maybe they'll ban the campsite - and 'encourage'/demand people stay in Hotels. I mean, campsites aren't very 'upmarket' - and F1 is an aspirational sport - well that's what we're told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on