Danica's Rant

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Call her behavior whatever you want, but she is still better than 80% of the drivers out there.

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That'd be interesting, to see the career statistics of every driver you think is behind her talent wise... I'm not being judgemental here, I'd genuinely be interested. I mean you have guys out there who have won numerous races, & championship titles in their careers, their stats would question your comment alone.

If you are going purely on this seasons ics results it is in some form a false vision, given many of those said drivers were somewhat thrown into the pot late & were clearly behind the 8 ball from the get go.. Ms Patrick on the other hand, was an experienced veteran in quality machinery, yet she was on occasion comprehensively hung out by some of the new boys, plus in all honesty, reading the actual story behind the Motegi result, her single career victory was by & large somewhat of a lucky flook. *yes I know there is often an element of luck in some wins.*

I don't doubt there is some talent there, it is though, imo average, nothing particulary special. When the wins come, then we'll talk. ;)

So, again, I'm not slating, I'm simply disagreeing with your view, until of course, the stats show me other wise... *Maybe I wont hold my breath on that one :crazy: ;)

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

She still does, she never lost it.

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I'd like some of whatever you're having. She has no credibility left. Check any forum or sports news site out here. When the "fans", broadcasters and reporters turn on you for your habitual idiotic, erratic, roadrage behavior, there's no credibility left.

It really is a shame. When she came to the IRL in 2005, she had real potential talent to run at the top, but she's blown it.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Call her behavior whatever you want, but she is still better than 80% of the drivers out there.

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80%? That reminds me of a quote about statistics - "98% of all statistics are made up.".

Just keep picking her to win in your fantasy league.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Call her behavior whatever you want, but she is still better than 80% of the drivers out there.

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Of the drivers I list below which are the ones that Danica is better than?

Scott Dixon
Tony Kanaan
Helio
Briscoe
Wheldon
Hunter-Reay
Franchitti
Power
Wilson
Servia

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Of the drivers I list below which are the ones that Danica is better than?

Scott Dixon
Tony Kanaan
Helio
Briscoe
Wheldon
Hunter-Reay
Franchitti
Power
Wilson
Servia

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None. Add Meira, Scheckter, Matos, Manning, Junqueira, Moraes, Foyt, Carpenter, Tracy, Bernoldi, Tagliani, Viso, Perera, Bell, Rice, Andretti, Mutoh to that list though.

Probably missed a few though...

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Originally Posted by TURN3

What exactly earned her a shot at the IRL again?

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Her gender.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Of the drivers I list below which are the ones that Danica is better than?

Scott Dixon
Tony Kanaan
Helio
Briscoe
Wheldon
Hunter-Reay
Franchitti
Power
Wilson
Servia

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Originally Posted by V12

None. Add Meira, Scheckter, Matos, Manning, Junqueira, Moraes, Foyt, Carpenter, Tracy, Bernoldi, Tagliani, Viso, Perera, Bell, Rice, Andretti, Mutoh to that list though.

Probably missed a few though...

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And yet only 5 of those drivers finished higher than her in the points. And regardless of how good of a driver she is or how much you think she should be here, remember this.

She has brought more attention to this sport than all of those drivers you've listed combined.

The only reason it seems like she has a "pattern" of incidents, is because she is heavily scrutinized whenever she does something. If you guys would just ignore it like you do when ever any OTHER driver exhibits those same actions, it wouldn't be a problem. If you heavily scrutinized other drivers the way you do Danica, you'll notice a "pattern" with some of them as well.

I'd put her somewhere in the top-12 to 15 in terms of talent, regardless of ride she's in. IMO she's an overall better ICS driver than:

Duno, Fisher, Roth, Camara, Moraes, and about even with Foyt, Manning, and Carpenter.

And as far as track type, I'd put her top 10 on any oval, top 15 on any road, and 15-last on any street course. She certainly has her weaknesses as a driver, but I think it's unfair to say her annoying personality and bad attitude are reflective of her driving ability.

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Originally Posted by beachgirl

I don't think even Danicafan can make something good about this disgraceful display of road rage and me-me-me-me from a last place, lapped driver. She's become a joke.

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Don't bet on that. Danicafan is Danica's Mom........... :)

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Originally Posted by thelurker

I'm not going to defend her actions, but before you guys throw your own tantrums on this incident, might you go back and watch the Mid Ohio race. In particularly where several drivers collided on the one restart. I noticed a few hands waiving and steering wheels being pounded there too.

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Probably true what you say, however Danica seems to have one of these incidents just about every race she is entered in. Like Sarah Fisher before her she was/is a publicity gimmic (good one I admit), but still is a spoiled brat mid to back packer IMHO. And when Old3Fan has a HO, that is the end of the story............... :)

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Originally Posted by thelurker

She has brought more attention to this sport than all of those drivers you've listed combined.

The only reason it seems like she has a "pattern" of incidents, is because she is heavily scrutinized whenever she does something. If you guys would just ignore it like you do when ever any OTHER driver exhibits those same actions, it wouldn't be a problem. If you heavily scrutinized other drivers the way you do Danica, you'll notice a "pattern" with some of them as well.

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you can't ignore it when she keeps doing it, she blasts Duno for being in the way at Mid-ohio, then she can't even crack 19th at Surfers :rolleyes:

she has brought all the wrong attention to this sport. at least Sarah is alot more professional in the way she handles the racing, Danica just likes to complain when things don't go her way. I can see if shes won a championship and tons of races, but shes only one once, and still not even on American soil :p : , shes become a "one hit wonder" and shes throws these tantrums because her 15 minutes are finally up

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Originally Posted by Old3Fan

Probably true what you say, however Danica seems to have one of these incidents just about every race she is entered in. Like Sarah Fisher before her she was/is a publicity gimmic (good one I admit), but still is a spoiled brat mid to back packer IMHO. And when Old3Fan has a HO, that is the end of the story............... :)

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Regardless if she has an incident or not every race is meaningless. What matters is peoples reaction to them. If they just ignored it like they do when other drivers do the same thing, then it won't be a problem. At mid ohio, several drivers who stalled would waive their hands to the safety crew to have them hurry up and restart the car. The only difference between them and Danica is that she is gonig to be sctrutinized for it by the haters. The only reason it seems like she has all thsee incidents is because when ever they do happen, everyone gets all bent out of shape over nothing.

The truth is, the complaining about her is more immature than her on track "antics". If everyone would grow up and stop acting like hollywood paparazzi, and stopped trying to make few drops of rain look like a flood, her "antics" wouldn't be an issue.

Danica is a direct result of the split.......had it never happened she would never had more than a sniff at the Atlantic/Lights level much less a seat in the bigs...

her attitude is a direct result of the diluted fields and lack of popularity the sport 'achieved' .......

Danica won't win a race in 09'..... she won't finish in the top ten......and will be lucky to have a job in 10'..... and that's the way it should be...

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

you can't ignore it when she keeps doing it

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Sure you can. Its called Maturity. Something that many of you apparently lack, yet you'll blast her for not having any.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Call her behavior whatever you want, but she is still better than 80% of the drivers out there.

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Take off the rose colored glasses for a moment. The facts certainly don't support this notion. Looking just at the points standings of the drivers who ran the entire season, she is not in the top 20%.

Gary

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Originally Posted by thelurker

Sure you can. Its called Maturity. Something that many of you apparently lack, yet you'll blast her for not having any.

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come on man/women!

this is a rcing forum where we talk about the teams, drivers and events surrounding the IRL...

Danicas attitude is not only an acceptable topic... but considering her off track popularity or notoriety is entirely relevant to the future success of the sport

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Originally Posted by thelurker

Regardless if she has an incident or not every race is meaningless. ......., everyone gets all bent out of shape over nothing.

...... and stopped trying to make few drops of rain look like a flood, her "antics" wouldn't be an issue.

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IMHO, having "incidents" at almost every race is not "nothing" and I think most racers would agree. With so many "incidents" how can another driver trust her on (or off) the track? Racers get respect by behaving like professionals, not making silly mistakes, and controlling their emotions. Reputations are destroyed by patterns of behavior and her patterns are not positive. Many racers have lost their rides because of their reputations, earned or not.

I respectfully suggest this latest outburst is hardly a "few drops of rain". It was so out of proportion to the actual incident and so abusive to the track workers that is was a "flood". Bluntly speaking, she stopped in a gap where others had already gone through (Wheldon), stalled the car (the safety workers didn't do that), blocked that portion of the track and then behaved in an extreme and abusive manner to the safety crew. What does that say about her ability to control herself on the track? Scary. When I was involved in racing, racers with her attitude, erratic behavior, and anger management issues were shunned by other racers and sometimes asked to just go home before someone got hurt.

I watch racing to be entertained and see professionals at work. If I wanted to watch an out of control "celebrity" I would watch reality TV. She is "entertaining" but hardly professional.

But if you think she is a great racer, fine, everyone has their own opinions.

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Originally Posted by thelurker

The truth is, the complaining about her is more immature than her on track "antics". If everyone would grow up and stop acting like hollywood paparazzi, and stopped trying to make few drops of rain look like a flood, her "antics" wouldn't be an issue.

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what??? oh yeah the only reason we are doing this is because she is a woman :rolleyes: . I remember many members were blasting Briscoe at the start of the year when his results weren't there, then had the entanglement with the princess at Indy, everyone wanted his head. now look at were Ryan is, looking more and more like hes the favorite to take the championship in 09.


to gain respect, you have to earn it, not just be handed to you.

look at my screen name I usually defend my driver, but when he does something stupid, I have to take it and I respect what others say about him, cause at the end of the day, who cares. will Danica give you thousands of dollars because your standing up for her, hell no. this is an our entertainment, just like people who like Baseball,Football,Soccer, etc... at teh end of our day, are we at all effected by it, no, it doesn't give me a raise at work, or give me a day off to celebrate.

She doesn't belong in the IRL and I have been saying this for over a year, the IRL is in the "good for the short run/bad for the long run". Has Danica put more butts in the seats, NO!!!! I was at the Joliet race and it was 70% full at most (could've looked worse on TV). until she starts acting like a professional, people will still bad mouth her. thats like going up to you and saying you suck at your job, how will you handle it?

Danica made a mistake, but you can't win an IRL race if you are not a decent driver.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Danica made a mistake, but you can't win an IRL race if you are not a decent driver.

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A decent driver with a good fuel strategy, can win a race. That does not put said driver in the top 20% as stated elsewhere. Nor does that win negate the continued anger outbursts. Not just one or two, but a real pattern.

Gary

Boo f'n hoo. I've never heard such a bunch of belly aching about nothing in my life. : ). So a race car driver has a temper. BIG DEAL. A driver has passion. SO WHAT? A driver has an ego. WHAT'S NEW?. I mean, if you want to exclude or bag on every driver that ever acted out or showed passion while at the track the list of drivers left over to race would be pretty slim and bland indeed.

So she's a upper mid pack driver that gets a little attention for AOWR. Why any true OW fan would have a problem with that I have no idea. Get a grip people! : ).

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Call her behavior whatever you want, but she is still better than 80% of the drivers out there.

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I won't cede she is better than 80% of the drivers in her series, let alone the rest of the racing world. In my view, she doesn't have what it takes and NEVER will.

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Originally Posted by thelurker

And yet only 5 of those drivers finished higher than her in the points. And regardless of how good of a driver she is or how much you think she should be here, remember this.

She has brought more attention to this sport than all of those drivers you've listed combined.

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Attention...yes. To her.

Anybody who says that there is no such thing as Bad Publicity has never worked Public Relations.

There is no evidence that Danica Patrick has drawn any appreciable numbers to the IRL. Just because she sells T-Shirts and gets Sponsorship don't assume for a moment that it helps the IRL as a whole.

I'm hearing a lot of raw, pure jealousy here in it's uglest form.

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Boo f'n hoo. I've never heard such a bunch of belly aching about nothing in my life. : ). So a race car driver has a temper. BIG DEAL. A driver has passion. SO WHAT? A driver has an ego. WHAT'S NEW?. I mean, if you want to exclude or bag on every driver that ever acted out or showed passion while at the track the list of drivers left over to race would be pretty slim and bland indeed.

So she's a upper mid pack driver that gets a little attention for AOWR. Why any true OW fan would have a problem with that I have no idea. Get a grip people! : ).

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I might not have said it the same way, but for once it seems we agree.

I know that many drivers exhibit the same behavior, Kyle Busch and Helio several times last year come to mind. I guess what some have an issue with is that these drivers back it up with results. Danica at Homestead last year stomped off after she hit the pit wall and left the track without talking to reporters. I think this was 20-30 laps before the race was over. I can appreciate aggression and emotion at the track, it's part of racing and adds to the sport. But she needs to run up front some more to justify that kind of constant negative behavior. And even in that, she's not alone. I'd say Meira in his own way was just as bad, he just didn't have as many cameras on him all the time. I think she still has promise to improve the next couple seasons, but there's no question that so far she hasn't lived up to the hype.

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Originally Posted by nickfalzone

I know that many drivers exhibit the same behavior, Kyle Busch and Helio several times last year come to mind. I guess what some have an issue with is that these drivers back it up with results. Danica at Homestead last year stomped off after she hit the pit wall and left the track without talking to reporters. I think this was 20-30 laps before the race was over. I can appreciate aggression and emotion at the track, it's part of racing and adds to the sport. But she needs to run up front some more to justify that kind of constant negative behavior. And even in that, she's not alone. I'd say Meira in his own way was just as bad, he just didn't have as many cameras on him all the time. I think she still has promise to improve the next couple seasons, but there's no question that so far she hasn't lived up to the hype.

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The only thing I'd add to this is in the end, "Who cares"? She's still popular. I don't think any of the guys who are complaining about her in this thread ever liked her in the first place anyway. Once she left with Rahal to the IRL she was instantly added to the "enemies" list. Her turning into an overnight celebrity and in turn, helping the IRL was just the nail in the "Danica Fanclub" coffin for them.

All I can say is "thanks for watching" & be sure to tune in next year to see what she does or does not do. : )

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

Once she left with Rahal to the IRL she was instantly added to the "enemies" list.

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You just had to go and add some Kool-Aid to the thread.

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Originally Posted by nickfalzone

I think she still has promise to improve the next couple seasons, but there's no question that so far she hasn't lived up to the hype.

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did she ever truly show the potential to put her in a ride to not live up too the hype?

IMO NO

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

I'm hearing a lot of raw, pure jealousy here in it's uglest form.

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Now that is funny! Jealous of what?

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Originally Posted by downtowndeco

The only thing I'd add to this is in the end, "Who cares"? She's still popular.

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I beg to differ. When she started, she was popular. Now, she's notorious. Not the same thing at all. It's one thing to be, and act, like a spoiled brat who believes all is hers and everyone else should do her bidding when it's on American Idol, or in Hollywood. It is an entirely different matter on the track, when a lot of lives could be at stake when that uncontrolled anger (not agression, rage) explodes. Not the least of which, hers.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

She is still one of the top drivers.

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:rotflmao:
Based on what I saw in a Barber Dodge race in Vancouver, and an Atlantic race in Portland, I was a big Danica fan. As it has turned out, I saw a couple of her best races. Then her head got too big and she turned into Princess Permapout, and it's all been downhill from there.

Bottom 1/3 of the IRL. Possibly fairly high in the bottom 1/3, but still bottom 1/3.

Call me old fashioned, but I've always judged a driver on their on-track performance, not on how many fair-weather fans they can bring in.

To be fair I've only seen Danica race once in person. It was at a Formula Ford race at Brands Hatch in 1999 when I was 16 and I just remember her being "the girl bringing up the back of the field". Incidentally there was one other current IndyCar driver in the field that day running mid-pack, a smiley face and a gold star for whoever can guess/remember who.

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Originally Posted by V12

Incidentally there was one other current IndyCar driver in the field that day running mid-pack, a smiley face and a gold star for whoever can guess/remember who.

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Hideki Mutoh

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Originally Posted by Damon

Hideki Mutoh

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Correct - never for the life of me thought they'd end up as teammates on a multiple championship winning IndyCar team nine years later!

[quote="thelurker"] several drivers who stalled would waive their hands to the safety crew to have them hurry up and restart the car. The only difference between them and Danica is that she is gonig to be sctrutinized for it by the haters. QUOTE]

Many marshals would wear ear protection. The drivers would have to let us know that they need a push. The cars aren't always billowing big puffs of smoke, so we don't necessarily know they are stalled. What I've never seen before is "Me. Me. I'm special. I take my clothes off. I'm a star. Push me first. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me."

Perhaps we should start a thread about drivers who have struggled this year with the influx of more talented experianced drivers arriving.

I'm not bad mouthing her here, but she is clearly feeling the pressure of being a mid pack runner. I think after years of people pandering to her and keen to see her rise to the top it is becoming hard for her t grasp she is not as good as all those close to her have been saying. Either that or she was hacked off because her man was in strip bars all weekend long.

She won Motegi well done, but it does not mean yo are the best driver in the world, or the most diverse driver. She still probably drives better than any of us, but I think her behaviour has gotten worse.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

Either that or she was hacked off because her man was in strip bars all weekend long.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rex Monaco

You just had to go and add some Kool-Aid to the thread.

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Gee, where is the surprise in that?

Gary