I would say that is because nothing is 100% fool-proof. What if they something caused the car to stay in neutral? That would be a lot of time lost...
Printable View
I would say that is because nothing is 100% fool-proof. What if they something caused the car to stay in neutral? That would be a lot of time lost...
They would also need a manual override system in case the one you described fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
In reality all they need is to do things calmly, not too panic.
They seem to be in such a panic every time something that is not usual happens (i.e. SC or wet conditions).
We aren't talking about 1 or 2 blunders per season, not even about 10 mistakes in 5 seasons, we are talking about at least 10 in one season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
If it was about singular events than so be it, but we already got a pattern developing by halfway through the current season.
You Ferrari Boy's make me laught.
Ferrari f*c% up all by them selves and suddely its a consircy against them.
How both drivers/ferrari didnt get a heavery penalty than a fine in valancer is boyond me, the rule book for that one (due to the ammount of laps left in race for decison to be made) is either a 10 place qualifying penalty or a 30 sec race time pentalty but they get slapped with a small fine equvilant to £20 to them.
They do it again in singapor and get a slightly heaver drive throught penalty but this is still a very big let off. It should have been a stop and go (dive in/out plus 10secs stationary) costing 45 secs rather than 30.
Ferrari get away with blue F%Ck@iNG murder.
When McLauren make perfectly good racing moves they get bum rapped and the FIA pull out rules that are non existant. Ive studyed the published rules with a fine tooth comb and there is nothing in there that says wait a corner. its just give lead back and you can attack again as hammy did but the FIA make up some random allong with the stewards to sort ferrari out. All the experts agree, the only people that agreed with FIA were the drivers them selves as they are fighting with lewis for the chapionship and to scared to say anything bad about the W&Nk£eRS that are burrnie and max.
The FIA's unfair and byasness toward Ferrari has been going on so long now.
The above mention insidant was not the only time this season and last that McLauren/Hamilton have been unfairly treated, admitadly TWATY Alonso deserved to get some kind of punishment for his antics last season but he got away with it and instead lewis/Mclauren get it in neck.
The FIA cant have the best raw tallent since Senna and posibly of all time winning in his 1st season, they managed to put a stop to that and there trying to stop him winning it this year aswell. As for ferrari having the best car thats a load of bollox, they are quite evenly matched ferrari betta at some that Mcl n vice versa but they deff got the best driver and you've got second best in rakionen. SCREW MASSA, HAKI and ALONSO.
This bull favourtisum towards the RED CARS needs to be stopped, Ferrair must be paying the FIA off, and its ruining the sport and racing action that lewis has brought the last couple of seasons, we see racing now instead of cars going round in order for 60 laps.
You bang on about the brawn, Schumacher and todd partnership, yeah they were good but these antics went on back then, the amount of S@IT$ schumy/ferrari used to get away with back then, if they'd have been treated the same as everyone else they would not have won half those world championships.
FIA are a Corrupt bunh of P*IC$s, berrnie wants MotoGP, lets hope and pray he never gets his grubby little hands on it and ruins the perfectly good, ligitimate racing in that.
Ohh and before anyone acuses me of being biast towards McLauren cos i support them, YOUR WRONG im actually a life long Williams fan but everyone appart from you RED boys can see the corrupt partnership going on between mossely/ferrari/burnie, theres even yanks on here who can see it and they've only payed a real interest in F1 the last 7/8 seasons since its been at the ledandary Motor Speed.
:vader: Lets Hope the next dangerous balls up Ferrari make Max and Berrnie are stood infront of the car and it causes serious damage :vader:
This isn't the thread for that rubbish. Go find another thread. There are plenty of them around.Quote:
Originally Posted by dpcw_wsm
As for Ferrari, well they seem to want to gift wrap the championship for McLaren. They've wrapped it, now they just need to add the ribbon.
The whole team has had problems this year. The drivers have made unforced errors, the pit crew has made errors and the team has either failed to react or reacted poorly to changing situations during a race.
They should have almost wrapped up both titles already this year because in all but wet conditions the F2008 has been more than a match for the McLaren. Even some great driving by Hamilton wouldn't have been enough if it wasn't for the unreliability and litany of errors.
McLaren and Hamilton deserve their titles but Ferrari of old would have crushed McLaren by now.
ROFL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dpcw_wsm
What a load of rubbish, and very poor spelling too. :rolleyes: :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by dpcw_wsm
But this 'panic' is a symptom to an extent of modern F1 racing where essentially the races are won and lost in a 4 lap window of an in lap, pit stop and two out laps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
What antics are you refering to?Quote:
Originally Posted by dpcw_wsm
Go on then, name me the 10 mistakes which Ferrari have made over the course of this season so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yeah but those 0.5 seconds wouldn't have changed the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
I still prefer 8 points achieved calmly to 0 points lost through panic. Especially nowadays when consistency wins a championship, not winning at all costs.
Short translation :
We just had a bad day, but we have the best car, Massa's the best driver at the moment, and I expect Kimi in the last 3 races to shows he's the World Champ. We can still make it, our mechanics are amazing, they can make a mistake too but I am sure they will do a great job in the next races. From now on everyone will work for the same target so at the moment Kimi's our 2nd driver and I expect a 1-2 in the next 3 races...
http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formul...zemolo29.shtml
That's the official version of the story. I bet the version he used at the Ferrari HQs was a very different one.
Are you going to name me these 10 errors from this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Ferrari's:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
Refuelling rig
Kimi's Tyres
McLarens:
Pit lane Crash
Using the wrong tyres in Italy
FIA's:
Not giving Massa a Drive through
Giving Lewis a 25sec penalty
There we go, there's a start.
lol sorry I should have been clearer, the 10 errors which Ferrari alone have made this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Apparently Ferrari use to make 10 errors over 5 years, but since SD has taken over, its 10 per season.
:confused: Who would claim something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
;) Ahhhh, someone's who's posts I can't see ;)
(Now you know why)
It is true that Ferrari have made some cock-ups this year as have McLaren but it's a bit rough to blame SD for it all.
After all, there are always going to be mistakes, errors or bad judgement calls but generally they become apparent with the benefit of hindsight.
You don't know Montezemolo then...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
No, not really! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
But still I doubt he praised them after last week ends result.
No he didn't praise them, he just told them to carry on the good work, because thanks to them Ferrari still have the best car, game isn't over yet and they can still win both titles. Plenty of time in the winter-break to find out who and what to blame in case Ferrari will fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I think there will be people to blame even if they manage to win. There are things that just don't work smooth enough (not to mention that perfection is very far now).Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Ferrari still have the best car (IMHO) and 2 excellent drivers. There are some issues but it is not a time to get the knives out but rather to calmly look at what needs to be done and work out how what they need to do in the last few races.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
As you say, during the winter, they can analyse this years season and make any improvements they need to.
I can't believe some people think they should hold a Spanish Inquisition and some sort of hanging party at such a crucial time in the Championship. As a McLaren fan, I think it a wonderful idea but being serious, their fans should be a bit more loyal and supporting.
This management is new and young, and sometimes things don't work as they should. Fortunatley Montezemolo understands that, and he will wait the end of the season, before starting to blame anyone supposing there is anyone to blame...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
knockie, wish I could read more intelligent posts like this from you ;) :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7644042.stmQuote:
The team president also backed the mechanics who gave Massa the green light during a pit stop despite the fuel hose still being attached to the car as he sped away.
"We have extraordinary mechanics who in other occasions have swung results our way," said Montezemolo.
"We must stay close to each other because Ferrari are always world champions and are still in the running to win."
Well Pino my old son, you just need to look harder because every post is a diamond but some just haven't been cut and polished yet ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Hold on, you claimed not long ago that you weren't a Mclaren fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
What?
I have always supported McLaren and Williams as well as Honda (mainly because Jenson is there).
Where have I said otherwise?
Though I agree to a certain extent, you are being too harsh on Massa. First, he got screwed by his own team, then by the drive-through. Add on that a tight circuit that doesn't encourage overtake. Even MS couldn't do much given the same circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daika
But I also think that Massa lacks big time in terms of "come-back" ability. Oh well, I'm guessing Massa's hope relies on prayer now.
My mistake. Having done a quick search you said you didn't 'love' them but you did support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Which, having some Italian blood in my veins, I have to confess sounds weird....but I'll put that down to the legendary English reserve!
You probably do 'love' them, just can't say it for fear of public embarassment.
Actually, Felipe's best performances seem to be when the knives are out.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalasend
Turkey 2006, following a 13th place finish in Hungary.
Bahrain 2007 & Spain 2007, following a less than impressive Malaysian GP.
Bahrain 2008, following abysmal Australian & Malaysian GP's.
Hungary 2008, following crap to average performances at Silverstone & Hockenheim.
Valencia 2008, following the gut-wrench of the last 2 laps at the Hungaroring.
There seems to be a fair bit of bounce-back-ability in those.
Forgot to mention Brazil 2006, following on from his disappearance at China.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Quote:
Originally Posted by kalasend
Well, I don't know. He was 45 seconds off the lead after his Pit Stop drive through on lap 26 and struggling to overtake SB. he was 22 seconds off the points with a fast car and his team mate 3 places ahead.
He had got that to 35 seconds in 5 laps (Trulli was leading) but then made another mistake and dropped back to 45 seconds.
During the 2nd SC he was right behind HK in 13th but never progressed even though his partner made up places (until he lobbed it off)
He had the fastest car out there and had a chance to get back into the running. However, lack of overtaking slower cars and mistakes left him out of the points.
I can accept that it's the Tyres or the brakes but those are sorted now. i know he's not the best in the wet but it was dry and you cant say the car wasn't performing well because it was the class of the field and 0.5 seconds quicker than the 2nd fastest car in qualifying.
Really, it comes to a time when you have to say that he didn't perform when he had to battle his way through. He had the opportunity to take that race by the scruff of the neck and get a point or two as Lewis did the race before but gave up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
:laugh:
I dream of Silver Arrows and wake up in a hot sweat with Rons image in my mind.
:)
FGS he had a puncture. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
His team mate was making up places because the drivers in front of him were pitting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
If I'm not mistaken Kimi overtook only one car, Hamy too. And even Felipe overtook Bourdais before he got the puncture!
Talk about pointing the finger in the wrong direction after not watching the race! :rolleyes:
Never had a doubt about this! :rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Madonna Mia!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I read that, and for a moment I thought you'd said you wake up with Arrows & have an image of a sweaty Ron Dennis in your mind.
Thankfully, you didn't.
At least, you didn't say that outside of your sub-concious!
Geez you guys, if I have nightmares now, I know who to blame!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Let us count the mistakes by Ferrari team then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
engine failures at Australia, gearbox problem for kimi in qualy.
Problem fuelling Massa at Canada, but wasn`t that due to a problem not caused by Ferrari?
Problem for kimi at France, cost him two points and the win.
tactical mistake at Silverstone to leave drivers out on old inters.
engine failure for Massa at Hungary, caused by a problem not in the hands of Ferrari, but due to a faulty patch.
Engine failure for Kimi at Valencia, same reasons as above.
Singapore - problem when fuelling Massa.
Now, no team has ever had a perfect season. Ever. Even in 2002 Ferrari of Barrichello failed quite many times.
I also notice you have ignored one posters request to name all those 10 blunders you so loudly talked about.
Considering what can be called as mistakes.
In OZ IMO it was a mistake that Räikkönen wasn't called in for his first pitstop during a safety car phase. He rose to P3, but needed to make a stop very soon anyway and was forced to drop to the back.
At Monaco Kimi got a penalty for a delay of tyres (?). Plus Massa's strategy on a drying circuit wasn't quite the best.
At Valencia Kimi had also a botched pitstop.