Tyre Warmers

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Originally Posted by gravity

Where did I suggest that they use the standard composition of our atmosphere?

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Here:

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Originally Posted by gravity

As far as I can tell, this special "Nitrogen/Co2" cocktail is standard composition of our atmosphere:

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Did you post that? Yes or not?!

PS: It was a rhetoric question. SGWilko will explain exactly what that means. I won't do it as I'm not a native English speaker! :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

PS: It was a rhetoric question. SGWilko will explain exactly what that means. I won't do it as I'm not a native English speaker! :D

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I sometimes feel that I am a minority now in my own country - less and less of us seem to have English as our native language. :eek:

And here, for my language lesson for today kiddywinks is the meaning of Rhetorical....

Drumroll SVP......

A rhetorical question is one that requires no answer because the answer is obvious and doesn't need to be stated . The speaker (of the rhetorical question) is not looking for an answer but is making some kind of a point, as in an argument.


Ta da...................... ;)

Applause please.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I sometimes feel that I am a minority now in my own country - less and less of us seem to have English as our native language. :eek:

And here, for my language lesson for today kiddywinks is the meaning of Rhetorical....

Drumroll SVP......

A rhetorical question is one that requires no answer because the answer is obvious and doesn't need to be stated . The speaker (of the rhetorical question) is not looking for an answer but is making some kind of a point, as in an argument.


Ta da...................... ;)

Applause please.

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Originally Posted by ioan

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Vous et tres gentile! Unless of course it was a slow clap. ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Vous et tres gentile! Unless of course it was a slow clap. ;)

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I guess we will never find out! ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's see how many of those who were complaining that Kimi was allowed to go around with a flapping exhaust pipe (all in the name of safety) are now advocating the removal of tire warmers creating thus the possibility of having 20 unpredictable cars on the track, running at speeds over 300kph!

Hypocrites! :rolleyes:

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So, you think we should allow tyre warmers on the grounds of safety but are happy about bits of flapping metal coming off :confused:

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Not sure what the debate here is about. Debris from a race car at speed is dangerous without question. Several deaths at champ car races and IRL races have resulted from debris hitting spectators but usually as the result of accidents between cars. In 1999, three died at an IRL race, and at some time else, three more died at the Michigan track.

At Indy, a wheel came off and was hit by another race car, and sent into the grandstands, killing one spectator.

During JV's first year in F1, when he was challenging Hill at Japan GP, he had a wheel come off and go into the specator area. A small change, and the
wheel could have caused death and serious injury to spectators.

Okay, so it was not a wheel, but that changes nothing. I remember one year when a mirror came off an Indy car at Indy (I think Stephan Johnson was involved) and another car ran over it, burst a tire and (maybe) wrecked

If the pipe had come loose at the right time and place, it could easily have resulted in a serious injuries to a driver (if he ran over it and lost control, or a tire burst), to track workers and spectators if it flew off at the right moment into a crowd or other stuff flying off from an accident resulting from another car hitting it.

Otherwise if it so safe, they just need to leave debris laying around on the the track for everyone to run over and not be bothering with safety cars and such.

The only reason to not make the team remove or fix it would be if the fia thought that while loose, they were absolutely certain it was not going to come off, PERIOD. The question should not be whether it was likely to come off and cause serious injury.

Well, we all know that it did come off......................and the situation with Kimi when at Mac, with the tire bouncing all over from the trie problem, is no different

The only absolute determinative factor for tire warmers and mandates on air pressure should be safety with adequate precautions and rules in place. And I do not know whether those questions have been adequately answered and the rules developed as of yet.

After all, it is low tire pressure and cold tires resulting in the car bottoming that is alleged to have caused Senna's death. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

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When you lay off the Kool Aid, you do write some superb posts.

Spot on.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Here:
Did you post that? Yes or not?!

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I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards? You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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Originally Posted by gravity

I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards? You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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PML :laugh:

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Originally Posted by gravity

I did post that... but you have taken that out of context. If you included it with the rest of my post, you would have seen that it refers to the diagram which followed that sentence (hence the colon), and that diagram referred to the standard composition of our atmosphere. I did not state that they do use it, nor did I state that they should use it.

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Go see what's in your post after that semicolon! There is no link anymore.

Se for yourself:

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Originally Posted by gravity

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Originally Posted by trumperZ06

Using Nitrogen or a combo of Nitrogen & CO2 (Ferrari's cocktail) when inflating the tires,

reduces the increase in pressure as tires warm-up.

Seems as though the Bridgestone's could be inflated at the recomended mininium psi... without over pressurizing the tires when warm.

DAS monitors tire pressure... so it should be easy to determine if tires are under-inflated.

Using air to inflate tires would cause problems as air contains moisture. The pressure could increase ~10/12 psi...

Even more if the tire starts out under-inflated.

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As far as I can tell, this special "Nitrogen/Co2" cocktail is standard composition of our atmosphere:


Compressors are fitted with standard filters that take moisture out the air, anyway. So it seems to me that the composition of the air in a tyre is way over hyped. What do they do that's so special to the air?

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Can you read the part in bold letters?!
Does the word "standard" ring a bell?!

And BTW, either you write Nitrogen/Carbon dioxide, or N2/CO2. :\

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Originally Posted by gravity

Earlier in this same thread, you complained about someone misquoting you, yet you have no qualm doing that to others. Double standards?

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I didn't misquote you. If you would bother checking you would see that there is nothing showing up after the semicolon in your post that I was quoting.

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Originally Posted by gravity

You aren't maybe an FIA official are you?

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Nah, I wouldn't want your job, you can stay calm under your rock. :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

I didn't misquote you. If you would bother checking you would see that there is nothing showing up after the semicolon in your post that I was quoting.

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There is a link to a picture, though the site it refers has some serious issues with bandwith and the picture doesn't show most of the times, if you quote the original text, you should see the link. :)
Indeed, if looking at your own quote of the text, the link appears in it. ;)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

There is a link to a picture, though the site it refers has some serious issues with bandwith and the picture doesn't show most of the times, if you quote the original text, you should see the link. :)

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For whatever reason it doesn't show in my browser even though I copy/pasted his whole post in my last reply.
Be kind and post the link in my latest post, so he can be happy that his post is complete and N2/CO2 can be the "standard" composition of our atmosphere at least for this time.

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Originally Posted by ioan

For whatever reason it doesn't show in my browser even though I copy/pasted his whole post in my last reply.
Be kind and post the link in my latest post, so he can be happy that his post is complete and N2/CO2 can be the "standard" composition of our atmosphere at least for this time.

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http://www.kidsgeo.com/images/gases-in-atemosphere.jpg

When quoting someone's post, you should always use the quote-button just for this reason, not just copy-paste the text from the post.
Having said that, it seems to be one of the sites that don't like giving out bandwidth, so that link might not work either. ;)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

http://www.kidsgeo.com/images/gases-in-atemosphere.jpg

When quoting someone's post, you should always use the quote-button just for this reason, not just copy-paste the text from the post.
Having said that, it seems to be one of the sites that don't like giving out bandwidth, so that link might not work either. ;)

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Not that easy to use the quote option when you are already quoting another post (his latest ones in this case).

As you said it's not working. However I'm sure that besides N2, CO2 (which by the way is under 1%) there should be also some O2 (around 20%) in our atmosphere.

Anyway, thanks for clearing up the link problem. :)

refresh the link if you get the "forbidden"text, worked for me like that. ;)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

refresh the link if you get the "forbidden"text, worked for me like that. ;)

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I tried, it didn't change. Maybe it's because I use the new Firefox browser?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by ioan

I tried, it didn't change. Maybe it's because I use the new Firefox browser?! :confused:

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Anyway, I am sure he (Gravity) will accept your apology...... ;) :p : :laugh:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Anyway, I am sure he (Gravity) will accept your apology...... ;) :p : :laugh:

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For saying that the atmosphere contains also 20% O2?! :confused:

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Originally Posted by ioan

For saying that the atmosphere contains also 20% O2?! :confused:

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No! For incorrectly accusing him of failing to post a link, which you continued to bleat on about in several posts.

He was right, you were not - regardless of whether or not you could see the link - he posted it, and was therefore correct.

Courtesy is not always viewed as a weakness you know. ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

No! For incorrectly accusing him of failing to post a link, which you continued to bleat on about in several posts.

He was right, you were not - regardless of whether or not you could see the link - he posted it, and was therefore correct.

Courtesy is not always viewed as a weakness you know. ;)

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Just shows you didn't understand anything from what you read.

What I accused him of is that saying that N2/CO2 is the "standard" composition of our atmosphere.

No matter what was in the link we can't access his affirmation was wrong.

I hope you did understand it now, although I have some doubts. :p :
And next time try to get a grip on what others discuss before interfering. :D

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Originally Posted by ioan

I didn't misquote you. If you would bother checking you would see that there is nothing showing up after the semicolon in your post that I was quoting.

Nah, I wouldn't want your job, you can stay calm under your rock. :p :

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Just to remind you old bean - I have quoted the appropriate element from your post - I even included your backhanded comment as well.

Arighty then?

As for interfering, practice what you preach buddy - see post #140 in the Hamilton will never! thread.

Tickety boo now are we? :p : ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

As for interfering, practice what you preach buddy - see post #140 in the Hamilton will never! thread.

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I did! I had a proper understanding of your posts before answering you! :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

I did! I had a proper understanding of your posts before answering you! :p :

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I beg to differ.

You blatantly told him he had added no link.

He had.

Which part of that exactly are you having trouble grasping?

You have an allergy to courtesy, or just don't know how to admit your mistake?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Arighty then?

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:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

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:s mokin:

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Llllllllike a glove! :D