Hillary would be 1st woman president after her husband had sex with an intern

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Originally Posted by Eki

I think I should first read a book on "How to Talk to a Conservative (If You Must)".

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Good idea. Get back to us when you finish the book, the write to Ann, and let us know what she says.

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Originally Posted by SOD

ask the guy who runs mediamatters.org was one of the right-wing PR guys in the 1990s. he went full circle now :dork: . ask him what the looney-right was doing against Clinton.

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mediamatters.org? So I should listen to someone from the loony left to know what the loony right was doing? No, I suspect the best way to know what happened there is to read the newspaper articles at the time from all side of the media. I am firmly of the opinion lying to a Grand Jury was not a good plan of action, and he knew that as a lawyer. He wasn't in front of the grand jury to talk about his Monica thing either, it just was a lever that was used on him. Clinton forgot that a man can have an affair and get away with it, but as a President, you cannot lie to a Grand Jury and get away with it.

Heck, it really doesn't matter anyhow, Whitewater was so complicated that in the end no-one had a handle on what went down other than it was just one more time the Clinton's had touched on a slimy underside of a rock and didn't do anything to expose it.

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Originally Posted by Gannex

I'm a McCain enthusiast. He'd make a great president. Hilary, I would not vote for for two reasons: one; she lied blatantly about a briefing book on Whitewater that disappeared from the table outside her room at the White House, and two; her health care plan, which she came up with when Bill Clinton was president, was ridiculous. It showed that she has no idea about the limits of government.

McCain, on the other hand, is a great man, in my opinion.

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I like McCain, but my man if he runs will be Rudy Giulani. He is a guy who took a screwed up bankrupt city and in 6 years turned it into a safer, financially sound, and cleaner place. He didn't listen to the loony left, he isn't a man on the loony right, and he is a man of conviction. IF he didn't get prostate cancer, Hillary would still be on the outside looking in at the US Senate....

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Originally Posted by agwiii

I received this from a friend...

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I said earlier that we've just been given a preview of the kind of campaign the Republicans will be running this time around and this further illustrates it :down:

I'm sure the Democrats wont be immune from this kind of mud-slinging "campaign" either :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I said earlier that we've just been given a preview of the kind of campaign the Republicans will be running this time around and this further illustrates it :down:

I'm sure the Democrats wont be immune from this kind of mud-slinging "campaign" either :rolleyes:

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Mud-slinging? I thought the camera lens was quite clear. It is important to distinguish between humor and reality.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I like McCain, but my man if he runs will be Rudy Giulani. He is a guy who took a screwed up bankrupt city and in 6 years turned it into a safer, financially sound, and cleaner place. He didn't listen to the loony left, he isn't a man on the loony right, and he is a man of conviction. IF he didn't get prostate cancer, Hillary would still be on the outside looking in at the US Senate....

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Guilanni's stock has gone up since his divorce scandal, but I think the divorce will keep him from running for the nomination. I have friends in Riverdale and White Plains who are simply horrified at the reverse carpetbaggers from Arkansas.

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Originally Posted by agwiii

Guilanni's stock has gone up since his divorce scandal, but I think the divorce will keep him from running for the nomination. I have friends in Riverdale and White Plains who are simply horrified at the reverse carpetbaggers from Arkansas.

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Such friends as Coultergist and General Ripper...
"Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women...women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence."

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

I like McCain, but my man if he runs will be Rudy Giulani.

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I have to admit, Mark, very grudgingly, that I like Giuliani too. I have to work hard to look at Giuliani with an open mind, though, because when I practiced criminal law, always on the side of the defense, I might add, Rudy Giuliani was the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I despised him in those days, but mainly it was prejudice; I found it hard to like any prosecutor, especially prosecutors who I felt were bent on advancing their own careers by appearing "tough on crime", as if such an approach were daring or brave. Wrong! It is not daring to speak out against criminals. To kick them hard when they're already down is cowardice, not bravery, and I always found it hard to respect.

But years have passed, my idealism has faded, I have watched Giuliani proceed beyond his simple-minded approach of "hang 'em and flog 'em", and I have to say I've been impressed. Now, I'd vote for him or McCain quite happily.

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Originally Posted by Gannex

I have to admit, Mark, very grudgingly, that I like Giuliani too. I have to work hard to look at Giuliani with an open mind, though, because when I practiced criminal law, always on the side of the defense, I might add, Rudy Giuliani was the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York. I despised him in those days, but mainly it was prejudice; I found it hard to like any prosecutor, especially prosecutors who I felt were bent on advancing their own careers by appearing "tough on crime", as if such an approach were daring or brave. Wrong! It is not daring to speak out against criminals. To kick them hard when they're already down is cowardice, not bravery, and I always found it hard to respect.

But years have passed, my idealism has faded, I have watched Giuliani proceed beyond his simple-minded approach of "hang 'em and flog 'em", and I have to say I've been impressed. Now, I'd vote for him or McCain quite happily.

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Gannex - I suspect that Rudi has mellowed a bit and is no longer the hard nosed prosecutor/zealot. I still think his divorces and "private life" will keep him out of contention. McCain has a lot of positives about him, but I'm getting the sense that his time has passed. What do you think of Mitt Romney?

Don't know enough about him, agwiii, to have an opinion. I hope you're wrong about McCain's time having passed. The guy is still very sharp, don't you think? When I listen to him speak, I don't get the impression that he's past it.