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Originally Posted by Drew
But that rollerskating dancer was hard to ignore :D So far as the voting goes, I just figured Russia had them all at gunpoint :D
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Originally Posted by Drew
But that rollerskating dancer was hard to ignore :D So far as the voting goes, I just figured Russia had them all at gunpoint :D
Is there something i'm missing, Greece and Russia? Do you mean Greece and Turkey?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
You should probably realise that Russian people ring up and vote, the same time as everybody else does, even if it was rigged, it's most likely to have been rigged before they've seen the votes from everywhere else. The man that tells you the vote from Russia does not think, oh 8pts to the Ukraine, that will make Greece 3rd....
It is possible to beat the block voting, you just have to be daring enough to try something new! Anyway, it's just a song contest, it really doesn't affect much!
And donniedarco, I was paying more attention to the lovely Armenian lady ;)
Yes, theirs something your missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew
I am talking about the two nations that appeared to be the two main contenders for much of the night. Why would I mean Greece and Turkey when Turkey were 7th? :confused:
OK, you have maybe got me beat on that one. It is the public that vote and not a panel of judges as I had once thought, though it is very much more the case where I have rather found it out about it for the first time rather than something I didn't know before, and that perhaps the decision is achieved before the actual table takes shape. But fact is Greece and Tur....sorry Russia were as I had said the two best and that I think it sad that the Greek entry didn't get runner-up when it was for the me the second-best song on the night.
Why is this crap still going on?
Awful songs, awful voting. When someone like dima bilan wins with that song, you know how bad things are.
Even your average Simon Cowell show offers much much more.
The whole idea of the best song is pathetic, funny that so many people take it so serious.
It wasn't a surprise, for months Russia was the big fav of this year. Well, the song maybe deserved to win as it was accompanied by a Stradivarius violin played by Edvin Marton. :laugh:
I have a good laugh seeing your comments about the "skater " and it's weird that none of you recognized Evgeni Plushenko, olympic, world and european champion.
The voting system is not political ( give me a reason why Georgia wpuld give 12 points to Russia :laugh: , and why Serbia would give 0 points to Romania after its Kosovo supporting) but emotional, based on sympathy.
Don't have a clue about this "sir Terry" but it's a shame that after his long eurovision experience he still believes that the western countries deserved something better. I couldn't hear the Uk guy's voice, the german girls played out of tune and France or Spain entries were literally silly.
I'm afraid you'll never understand this voting as long as you can name Goran Bregovoc's orchestra fur weddings and funerals "the terrible 'entertainment' during the intermission " . The guy is huge in the Balkans , any balkanic inhabitant would react at his music, even those who has no origins in former Yugoslavia. It's the style of music of the region and the influences may be seen for ex. in the serbian or croatian songs of this edition.
In 2006 Finalnd won with a rock song .( Ironically at that edition Russia was also represented by Dima Bilan who managed to finish second.)
In 2008 Finland comes again with a rock song but gets only 35 points and finished on the 22nd place ( from 25 ).
Questions:
1. Is the friends/neighbours vote enough to win?
2. Is the biased voting system always working?
In my opinion an "interesting" song may easily reach top 5 without those bloody votes.
Would a UK win change your view by any chance??Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
In the same league that a Max Mosley vote win will do for the rest of us. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
Sorry, silly European singing nonsense conversation. Carry on... :D
exactly, if Spain's song would have been in english, it might have got more votes as the lyrics were quite funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
it's still really hard to win without "friends" but Finland proved in 2006 it can be done.
if "friends" voting would be enough, Russia would win every year
I watched this for the first time... Hmmm...
Everything from tight black pants to a lollipop dress... Was certainly not what I expected thats all!
It's a song contest not a fashion parade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gurl Racer
Are you sure? But I thought... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
You thought wrong. Just look at the last three winners: some finn monsters, the serbian version of Ugly Betty and a barefoot russian. :laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
I think he was reffering to the first part of your post "its a song contest" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Finn Monsters, what, like Naomi Campbell? :sQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
I've just thought how many other crap songs were in the past and remember a song with the chorus " le papa pingouin, le papa pingouin, le papa, le papa, le papa pingouin ". It was sung by two girls dressed as penguins.
I googled it to share the fun with you but all I could get is this links :
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/eu...urg/3061791529
http://www.nme.com/video/id/tmfpBguslRU/search/penguin
Don't know if it works.
Anyone who can seriously sit and watch the song contest and actually still think it is a song contest and not a political arena, has bigger problems than their taste in music. This is not about the UK not having a good song, or having a good song. I hjave been watching Eurovision for a damn sight more years than you I feel almost certain, and I am perfectly able to spot political voting from genuine and free voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Crazy Frog was a hit a while back. Our musical taste has gone out the window a long time ago, that's why this compo lives on.
Sorry Donnie but I'm afraid you quoted a few things that don't belong to me but are your own views, didn't you?
A song may be a masterpiece of composition and may be performed correctly but if it can't induce en emotion in you, it's in vain. European space is culturally diffrent and it's unlikely that a sound that is familiar in the east ( for ex. ) would be received properly in other part of the continent ( and viceversa ). That's why those who want to win use little tricks like dancing, clothes changing, sparklers, special effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnieDarco
Coming back to our champion, the guys who were in the audience said that at the beginning when the singer was crawling on the floor, the audience clapped their hands and waved the flags but when Plushenko came on stage everybody stood up . Having 2 personalities on stage certainly helped,
Give me a break....How fair was the contest in the past when the former communist block wasn't part of the contest and countries like Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Yugoslavia never got points from the west? And when Germany never gave points to Israel. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnieDarco
So what? I made it clear from the start I'm a " dilo " when I choose my nickname. :laugh: There's no need to be rude just because I don't understand why Russia who opresed so many countries have now political votes from them. I just think it's something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnieDarco
Sorry Donnie, I have reasons to think you're still a junior. Anyway I gave motivations and examples to sustain my opinions, I don't want you or anybody else to agree with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonnieDarco
I just want a honest opinion: Who do you thinck it deserved to be this year's winner ? And why?
I thought this was brilliant viewing, instead of hoping britain win, me and my girflfriend had guesses on who was going to get 12 points from each country. We got most of them right :p :
Gotta love Spains entry, 4... ROBOCOP!! :laugh:
Still, to see Britain finishing joint last is a terrible shame, i honestly thought we would finish ahead of countries like Spain or france or Armenia (whose song was terrible and was constantly challenging to win the tihng :eek: )
No. Why would it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEATFreak
Because the airways would be graced by those brilliant musicians :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
what ever happened to the American attitude of "you have a right to enjoy it"Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
too bad you arent the arbiter of culture, I hope it doesnt disappoint you.