Wise words from the FIA President?

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Actually it seems like one of Max's better quotes recently. No "halfwit" comments or the like. Simply trying to explain his position for a change (whether you agree with him or not.)

I don't blame him for not trusting Ron Dennis. I had quite a bit of respect for many of the things Ron had to say in the past, but the overwhelming doubts and outright deceit of his team while preaching "integrity" has left me with no respect for RD. This year would move RD below MM in my book!

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Reaching the heart of the bottom there :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Yes, just like I said earlier.

From Day One of Spygate becoming public, I've been saying that the correct thing for Mclaren to have done was inform Ferrari they had a leak.

It is what a gentleman would do, it is what an honest man would do, it is what a moral man would do.

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On that point, I debate you not :D , all too true

but as to what MaX has to say, i think it is just the saying the the obvious, yet MaX is still not coming clean just mouthing the same nonsense excuses as before, designed for public consumption, but we all know that when sweeping under carpet, per the last "discovery " about Mac, that MaX is very willing to sweep it under the carpet in the name of profit and entertainment

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Originally Posted by Osella

You don't perchance remember 1994 then...? And the 'real' reason Michael Schumacher copped a three race ban for overtaking on the parade lap!? A certain Italian team boss of a certain Anglo-Italian team wrote an open letter saying a certain FIA president was not fit for the job...his team was then investigated over; traction control, fuel filling, warm-up lap driving, ignoring a wrongly-issued penalty (by the FIA's own stewards no less) and very nearly lost the world championship as a result. There were no murmors or a 'witch hunt' back then by the FIA against Benetton, and indeed certainly in the British press (less so in the specialist motorsport press however) it was assumed they had been cheating all along and should be thrown out. Those same papers, and those same people have been saying now that Max has a vendetta and has been unfair to McLaren.

Flavio has since pushed for the GPMA series, before a deal was struck and Renault became the first of those teams bar Ferrari to back down from the proposal. His company also supplies all engines for the official FIA F1 feeder category. Renault also escaped punishment in their spy row.

Coincidence? I think not, just as I think McLaren were punished in part for Ron Dennis' constant criticism of the FIA, and McLaren's continual testing of the FIA's rules and decisions, Renault almost certainly escaped because Flavio has realised how to play the game to his advantage, and the FIA has hit them hard before with a direction it is almost impossible to remove from the personalities involved (just like RD vs MM now, as we had MM vs FB then). Think back to 1994 and Benetton were nearly hounded out of the world championship because of personal disagreements between team management and the FIA.

These days is is McLaren who are not just getting a punishment for the spying affair, but (I believe) the constant belittling of F1 by Ron Dennis whenever things don't go his way. (see Mosley's quotes) Good. I have been following F1 for a considerable time, and while the FIA's judgements may not always seem 'fair', in this case McLaren finally did something whereby they deserve all they get, long may it continue throughout their (cramped) 2008 championship...

Now if we could just get someone like Gordon Murray in to write the technical regs instead of tinkerMax, F1 would be much rosier again. :up:

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One small point to mention here - Benetton WERE cheating in '94. The filters had been removed from the fuelling rigs to make the fuel flow quicker. And, they nearly managed to kill one of their drivers as a result............

For Max to come out and say this now is only harming the sport more, and throwing it further into disrepute.
I thought he said (and I will have to look this up) that he wanted to move on from all of this..to close this chapter and move forward...clearly not..

There is not one person here who can say that Ron has not told the truth..as there is not anyone here who has any inside knowledge or info that would suggest otherwise.
I'm not saying that he has or has not, but I think all of the goings on this year, I wouldn't know whom to believe between Max and Ron..

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

One small point to mention here - Benetton WERE cheating in '94. The filters had been removed from the fuelling rigs to make the fuel flow quicker. And, they nearly managed to kill one of their drivers as a result............

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One small point to mention here; they weren't.
They asked the FIA is it was ok to remove the filter and were told it was fine to do so... The investigation was to see whether this had caused the fire, but the removal of the filter had FIA steward's approval..

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Originally Posted by Osella

One small point to mention here; they weren't.
They asked the FIA is it was ok to remove the filter and were told it was fine to do so... The investigation was to see whether this had caused the fire, but the removal of the filter had FIA steward's approval..

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Oh, I stand corrected. Apologies. I just seem to remember that the removal of the filter was the cause of the spillage. Must just be the press at then time....

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Originally Posted by Osella

You don't perchance remember 1994 then...? And the 'real' reason Michael Schumacher copped a three race ban for overtaking on the parade lap!? A certain Italian team boss of a certain Anglo-Italian team wrote an open letter saying a certain FIA president was not fit for the job...his team was then investigated over; traction control, fuel filling, warm-up lap driving, ignoring a wrongly-issued penalty (by the FIA's own stewards no less) and very nearly lost the world championship as a result. There were no murmors or a 'witch hunt' back then by the FIA against Benetton, and indeed certainly in the British press (less so in the specialist motorsport press however) it was assumed they had been cheating all along and should be thrown out.

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One can understand the attitude of certain sections of the British press (not all of it, let's not forget) at that time, given Damon Hill's fight with Schumacher for the World Championship. Of course they were going to run with whatever stories they could get about the nasty team employing the nasty German driver.

The more reasonable elements of F1 reporting, as I recall, saw the situation back then for what it was — less than fair towards Benetton and Schumacher, and representative of the arbitrary manner in which punishments were being dished out. If anything, the latter part was even worse in 1994 than it was in 2007.

What I find hypocritical in the latest comments from Mosley, though, is the view that Ron Dennis 'must have known' about the Ferrari data. Again, there is no proof of this. It's a remark that's no different to offering the opinion that the FIA was pursuing a witch-hunt against McLaren, and it's skating on pretty thin ice.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

One can understand the attitude of certain sections of the British press (not all of it, let's not forget) at that time, given Damon Hill's fight with Schumacher for the World Championship. Of course they were going to run with whatever stories they could get about the nasty team employing the nasty German driver.

The more reasonable elements of F1 reporting, as I recall, saw the situation back then for what it was — less than fair towards Benetton and Schumacher, and representative of the arbitrary manner in which punishments were being dished out. If anything, the latter part was even worse in 1994 than it was in 2007.

What I find hypocritical in the latest comments from Mosley, though, is the view that Ron Dennis 'must have known' about the Ferrari data. Again, there is no proof of this. It's a remark that's no different to offering the opinion that the FIA was pursuing a witch-hunt against McLaren, and it's skating on pretty thin ice.

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"What I find hypocritical in the latest comments from Mosley, though, is the view that Ron Dennis 'must have known' about the Ferrari data. Again, there is no proof of this. It's a remark that's no different to offering the opinion that the FIA was pursuing a witch-hunt against McLaren, and it's skating on pretty thin ice."

I would say first RD knew or should have known, and how could he not??

But your intended point is well made, and in a courtroom of fairness (not necessarily the same thing as a courtroom of France nor an FIA court), a point that should be made clear and not overlooked.

Indeed, I would say that it is skating on the same ice that Brund;le was skating on, and why this suit never should have been filed

(of course, I am still happy they did, because in a discovery battle on equal terms, me thinks MaX's undies are very very dirty, and we will learn more about the deep hidden side of it all, and if past performance is any indication, just a small percentage of it leaking out will make even the most extreme, nut case conspiracy paranoid hallucinations of that nutty Markabilly look pretty boring, unimaginative and mundane)