Renault investigated by FIA !

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Originally Posted by tamburello

What, like Pat Symonds has sent his wife down to the local photocopying shop?

What, like if Renault have been in possession of a Mclaren dossier?

What, like if Martin Whitmarsh has been leaking info to Renault?

If there is hard evidence, like a dossier and email communication, then Renault should lose their constructors points for the 2007 season, just as Mclaren did.

Something tells me, however, that Renault's in-house management will have made pretty damn sure that even if hard evidence did at one time exist, it's long been removed.

Sometime between June & September, most likely.

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Not to worry , Tambo , when they dust for fingerprints , they use powder , so we should be able to get some good scandal going here . They could dust Martin's pockets .

McLaren has no comment , just accusations .
Nice series we have here .

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Bags, sorry, but I have grown weary of arguing of arguing what constitutes "cheating" but have gotten no clear definition so I ignore it now.

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My point was that I believe it was quickly clarified in the thread title when it was McLaren that were accused .
Really , just an aside that could help avoid some argument if cleared up quickly .

I did digress , but for a reason .

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Originally Posted by tamburello

What, like Pat Symonds has sent his wife down to the local photocopying shop?

What, like if Renault have been in possession of a Mclaren dossier?

What, like if Martin Whitmarsh has been leaking info to Renault?

If there is hard evidence, like a dossier and email communication, then Renault should lose their constructors points for the 2007 season, just as Mclaren did.

Something tells me, however, that Renault's in-house management will have made pretty damn sure that even if hard evidence did at one time exist, it's long been removed.

Sometime between June & September, most likely.

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Well, the FIA could pull the same trick as they are going to try with McLaren. "That component looks dodgy, lets stuff 'em"

Unfortunately, the FIA set a very dangerous precedent pandering to the Ferrari machine, and cannot now be seen to be doing anything other than blowing the whistle on the whole incestuous world that is F1. It will be fun watching Charlie Farley boys looking for those elusive needles within all those haystacks. :p :

You never know, Max might decide he fancies retirement after all........ ;)

There was this item....

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19677.html

including:
"More specifically, however, there have been allegations in recent days that Renault engineer Phil Mackereth took three disks of McLaren information with him when he joined Renault. We have also heard rumours that McLaren information may have also turned up at another team which recruited people from McLaren. For the moment everyone is remaining very quiet and playing down the possibilities.
"What happened is what happens probably all the time," Renault team boss Flavio Briatore told a German magazine, oddly echoing the remarks of de la Rosa and Dennis. "It cannot be controlled. I don't want to say anything, because it is now something for the FIA to judge."
Briatore added that the team has given all the available information about the case to the FIA and to McLaren."

So I think there is definitely something to it.

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Originally Posted by passmeatissue

"More specifically, however, there have been allegations in recent days that Renault engineer Phil Mackereth took three disks of McLaren information with him when he joined Renault.

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Just a question (not directly to Passmeatissue, more a general one).....have the disks been found at Renault, like the dossier was found in the possession of a Mclaren designer?

If they have, then Renault are in the same boat.

If they haven't, then there isn't any hard evidence.

Tad Czapski, head of R&D at RenaultF1...

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Originally Posted by Wilderness

Tad Czapski, head of R&D at RenaultF1...

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I hope there's more to the current accusation than that!

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Originally Posted by tamburello

...have the disks been found at Renault, like the dossier was found in the possession of a Mclaren designer?

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By "at Renault" you mean in possession of a Renault employee?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I hope there's more to the current accusation than that!

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Sorry if I was too subtle for you.

My jest was with regards to the incestuous culture the F1 community has had for many years. One engineer sneezes, and all the teams catch the same cold. Max is fighting a futile battle in this pandemic.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

By "at Renault" you mean in possession of a Renault employee?

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Possesion as in proved beyond doubt to be in his possession, such as found at his house, in his car, in his laptop by, say, the police?

Wasn't that the point about Coughlan...he was caught in possesion of the documents?

I'm just intrigued to know if there is something so definitive with the Renault accusation.

If it's just a case of someone being accused of taking a disk without anything to confirm that he did, then there won't be much for Renault to have to do to get off.

So, does anyone know if there is any 'smoking gun' in this case, as there was with the Stepneygate case?