Bubba gets it , Bernie doesn't .

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Oh come on, don't be so uptight, it's Friday. :)

The difference between bubba and Bernie is a couple of billions in finacial interest in manufacturers, sponsors and tv.
What works in a smaller environment might not work in F1.

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Smaller??

There are more drivers making 1,000,000 a year than in F1.

there are more drivers making 10 million a year than in f1, there are more drivers making 50 million a year than F1. While MS may have been at one time at the top of the chart for money, Dale Earnhardt was only slightly behind..............

Annual GROSS revenue from all you mention, puts F1 in the shade

Smaller environment? the entire USA economy and geographic size dwarfs the european market---ooopps I guess you mean to add in turkey and malaysia?? maybe China?? Do not make me laugh!!!!!!

F1 can not make it in the single largest mass market--the USA---it has trouble making it in great britain, the home of F1......

Now do I like nastycar---no

BUT

Is it more fun for folks to get to enjoy and have the access that they have compared to F1 snobbery for the common man? Yep.

And do you know how hard it is to get a pass to see the stuff up close and how much that it costs at a f1 race compared to nastycar?

Five years ago, it was 5k plus, assuming you qualified as being worthy, for a weekend pass to somewhere other than some distant grandstand..... :eek:

did I mention that the emperor has no clothes on......

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Is it more fun for folks to get to enjoy and have the access that they have compared to F1 snobbery for the common man? Yep.

And do you know how hard it is to get a pass to see the stuff up close and how much that it costs at a f1 race compared to nastycar?

Five years ago, it was 5k plus, assuming you qualified as being worthy, for a weekend pass to somewhere other than some distant grandstand..... :eek:

did I mention that the emperor has no clothes on......

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None of these actually mean anything to me, since I'm not going to be bothred to watch F1 race live anytime soon, heck, I won't even pay for the 10Eur/month for live tv broadcast until something extraordinary happens.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sure , F1 has it's sponsors , and loads of them , but they miss some basics .
For example , it's largely during cautions that they show commercials in the Truck series , at least .
Certainly , that works well because there are many , but the point is to maximize the actual race coverage , and the fans appreciate it .

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Simple answer really, nothing happens in F1 races during commercials. ;)
Well, nothing happens after the first lap really, but that's already been talked about for decade now so I won't go there.

;) Well, it's looking like NA$CAR's becoming a retirement home for F-1 racers... and also ex- champ car and Indy drivers.

Down side is... NA$CAR's TV ratings are falling !!!

:dozey: Max shot Formula 1 in the foot with the Indy FIAsco... it will be a while before U S promoters bring a F-1 race back to the States.

ALMS is looking stronger, especially in LMP2 and GT2... and there's talk about a new Trans Am series... running Mustangs, Carmaro's, and Challengers.

Maybe we will see a wide variety of series/cars over the next few years... which opens up driver seats, always a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

How is it bad for sponsors , Chris ?

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Here's the article

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~0~id~146471.htm

page 2 is about the reasoning for an elitist paddock pleasing sponsors.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

None of these actually mean anything to me, since I'm not going to be bothred to watch F1 race live anytime soon, heck, I won't even pay for the 10Eur/month for live tv broadcast until something extraordinary happens.

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weeelll Seems to prove what the original post was all about----seems f1 is becoming a tv only package.....and i don't watch it live, but tape it---save me mucho time, fast forward the commercials and most of the boring race.................leaves me to watch over and over Fa passing LH or LH passing kimi and even with that saves me a solid hour or so....and then there is the super dry boring post race interveiws of peter windsor with the boys all sitting there like they are some scientists discussing some archelogical dig at some dead and buried city like Troy and what the pottery looks like and its effect on Greek pottery......" when did you think you had the race won??" Kimi: "when I won the pole, and did not break down during the race...."

"What was the deciding point for the race? (answer by anyone else except winner) When I did not win pole, and driver x did, and then did not break during the race....."

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Originally Posted by ChrisS

Here's the article

http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~0~id~146471.htm

page 2 is about the reasoning for an elitist paddock pleasing sponsors.

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It's kind of sad that they are so far removed from the great unwashed that are the fans , and they wish to be farther .
I remember going to the Indy race in 2000 , and nobody there seemed to know who the heck the title sponsor , SAP , was .
And , it really didn't seem to matter to them , as they made no attempt to let on at all , in terms of signage at the track .

Take Nascar seriously , as those who follow the Tide car , use Tide in the washer .

Big business SAP software is not for the masses . It's just about the money , not the race .

That's losing touch , and we , the great unwashed are starting to notice .

Why bother showing the masses the race at all ?
Close the paddock by closing the outside gates .
That much exclusivity should surely please the sponsors .

I don't get it, we complain all the time F1 is now more bussiness and less sport and now we say F1 is out of touch comparing to NASCAR, where everything is just bussiness?

Bags, it's great to see you again!

I'd agree that NASCAR is more people friendly and the venue and it's sponsors are focused at the common man. Having been to a couple of live NASCAR events I can tell you it's more than just the race. It's like one huge family reunion. An oval may look boring on TV but it allows the paying customer to see the entire race not just one straight or one corner. If Bags wants to put the binoculars on Jacques and watch him the entire race, he can do so. The thunder, vibration, and change in air pressure when the herd blows past where you are sitting is incredible. And in person, you can appreciate just how fast these guys are going.

For a pure, seat-of-the-pants, guts driver, NASCAR is an execellent venue and Jacques is doing well already.

I liked the spirit of Formula 1 and the technology developments that stem from it. I remember when wings first started appearing on the cars and there were some bizarre set ups then, the 6 wheel cars, fan cars, sliding skirts, etc. It made it all the more fun, interesting, and yes, the pinnacle. Max is killing all that. Bags is right, Max and Bernie need to wake up.

I agree with you Bags!! F1 is crap to the fans....Nascar races are great fun for 2-3 solid days.

I do love the technology and speed of F1 though. IMHO-> out of Speed, JV, and JPM; Monty is the only one with the talent for F1 driving. The other 2 have been 'relegated' to nascar.