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Hm, didnt realise that about the Caterhams, explains a lot. Who were sayign that, the caterham officials or the drivers? I'd suspect not the drivers, infact, i'd suspect that if they were suddenly told they were not goingto be racing and would instead be going home because some organiser didnt like to move his race, there'd be more arguments than you could shake a stick at!
I should be off to bed but...Quote:
Originally Posted by LessThanSte
As I understand it, it was probably a combination of further up the tree BRSCC officials not wanting to upset a jolly good customer like Caterham Cars who buy many grids for their championships from BRSCC meetings. As well as Caterham drivers who think that they are real racing drivers and should come ahead of some Yankee Stock Car yee-hars.
Which is why you see so many Caterham drivers queing up to do rookie training. Or not, as they just don't have what it takes.
Am I bitter.
Like a lemon with salt on.
Last year, when Ian Brown took over the running of the BRSCC, I hoped for a new dawn in the club. Things have improved in some areas, but now I see that many old ways still remain. It is not my place to air dirty laundry in public, so I will shut up, and do it in the right places.
V8 race 2 should have ended with a red flag, not a chequer, in my opinion, and then been declared void/null/did not really happen.
I agree with Rob's view above. It was chaos. We were ready to go, strapped in, engines running only to be told we're out at 4.30. Yeah right!!!! And lo, the heavens opened. The Pick-Ups, as I understand, were prepared to swap their second race with us but were told not to.
I think someone was very cute with the rules declaring the race valid. I understood we had to cover 60% of the race distance for the race to be valid. Obviously for a 35 lap race this wouldn't be the case. Therefore, because the chequered flag was waved at about ten laps and we had gone 6-7; I can't really remember as I was too busy trying to see where I was going; the " powers that be" could declare the race valid. Hmmmmmmmm However, I'm also led to believe, under the regulations, we should have been told there was one lap to go prior to the chequer. I certainly didn't hear that. So there might have been a possibility to challenge the decision. I'm not sure about this so will have to wait and see.
All I would say finally is, if you know anyone who came along yesterday and paid to watch, support us and felt cheated, let down etc then perhaps they might like to ask questions of the BRSCC.
Tony and Rob and Bravheart who post and all the other SCSA drivers not on here.
I agree with your disappointment, and for all the SCSA drivers, and teams, what a watse of time for you all.
BRSCC what are thinking, and has I said in the "This Weekend" thread, I will be sending my email to BRSCC.
I don't feel cheated, just sadden that they didn't allow to race, before the PUT. For me,I really to do like PUT as they are oval kings and queens, but I also come to see SCSA the most.
Perhaps the BRSCC and race control have an unlining issue here.
I will be writing the BRSCC an email, but probably to no avail.
It does not help the series or the oval racing I believe.
Sad for you all.
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Originally Posted by Tony Hurdle
I would also like to add, it took me over nearly 2 years to get our sponsors! and after this weekend??? and the calls i have received from them last night! They to are very very unhappy!
The Fans support is needed NOW more than ever before! drop the BRSCC an email ..You guys could help make a difference,
Oh yes, i can tell you that, Colin gave back his trophy yesterday! "HUNTER"
Shambles was a word heard within the pit lane last night. Sponsors, some of which had travelled a long way and didn't get there in time for the first race at 10.00 in the morning (of which nothing was even whispered to my knowledge on Saturday evening), were left fuming and wondering why they are involved at all.
Suppose there wasn't too many officials of the BRSCC around at the end last night as they were probably arranging their visit to the local brewery and getting that completely wrong as well.
Nice to hear from Rob and Tony once things had calmed down a little. Most of us were trying not to post anything too quickly as we may have said a few things that people supposidly in authority didn't like....well tough... so lets all write to the BRSCC.
MADWOMAN is even putting in her two penneth...
I would like to praise Colin White and his CWS team for their committment in even getting to the circuit and cannot speak highly enough of Shane Brereton who despite being ill most of the weekend took part in race one, brought his car back into the pitlane and promptly passed out. Having received attention from the medical team, we saw even more commitment by his determination to come out for race 2..... sorry that should read Farce 2.
So (and apologies to all the other teams and drivers )
CWS and Shane Commitment 2 v BRSCC NIL.... bit of an own goal there then although they would probably even miss that.
Well said Tony and Rob
As a 2006/2007 car owner and enthusiast of this series since it's inception I am more than disappointed in the way the whole meeting went this weekend.
Someone may like to ask the following questions of the organisers, BRSCC
Saturday:
Why were we given only 10 minutes practice on track before our "race"
These cars have not been driven in anger since the April meeting, our drivers need to be 100% happy with the cars before they go side by side racing.
Why was our afternoon race cut to 20 laps?
We and our driver Duncan Gray were not told until lap 17 that the race was to be reduced to 20 laps and we found out via our spotter!
There appeared to be plenty of time left in the schedule to complete the 35 laps and possibly allow us to have a practice sessions and possibly qualifying for Sundays race.
Sunday
A total fiasco in my opinion.
The race programme clearly states:
Timetable subject to change at the discretion of the orgnisers
V8 trophy web site clearly states:
Rain Policy
In the event of rain, racing will continue with the exception of the V8 Trophy Cars.
These vehicles are not equipped to race in the rain. Safety of the drivers is paramount at the high speeds of these cars.
All other on and off track activities will continue where possible.
BRSCC issued timetable says
ALL TIMES ARE PROVISIONAL & MAY BE CHANGED WITHOUT NOTICE.
Caterham drivers, teams and management - can you read?
On behalf of Team Networking I would like to say a very special thank you to The Mark Willis family and their 2 race teams for their support and friendship and to Sonny and all the PUT teams who tried to help all our teams through this weekend.
We also have to remember and thank our sponsors and all the race fans who come to support us and enjoy oval racing with the V8’s and PUTs. In my opinion you were robbed of a potentially great race on Sunday by ineptitude and bad planning.
To those drivers in our series who were happy to accept the cups for 1st and second place and call the episode on Sunday a “race” you should, in my opinion, follow the example of a true oval racing legend and return them to BRSCC as protest at the way the series was treated this weekend.
Some serious steps need to be taken by the V8 trophy series to ensure our loyal race fans and our paying sponsors get the track time and racing they deserve
Observations:
Parc Ferme:
If the race was declared “a race” by Clerk of the course and the regulations state that all cars must return to Parc Ferme after a race why were the V8 trophy cars redirected to their pits by the officials rather than Parc Ferme?
Rain:
After the race was stopped a race commentator did announce over the PA system ”Yes we were told it would rain at 4.30 today”
If this was a known fact why were we asked to race at 4.30 pm?
People to complain to:
Chairman of BRSCC – B Cottrell
Clerk of the Course (21st/22nd July 2007) – B Cottrell (Caterham Roadsports) – G Copeland – N Barter
Information:
BRSCC Regulations for V8 trophy
http://www.v8trophy.com/pdfs/SCSA_Regulations_2007[1].pdf
Races:
Sections 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3
3.5.1 The standard scheduled event format is two races. The first race is for a minimum distance of 35 laps, the second race is the feature race this being for a minimum distance of 35 laps. Should any race distance be reduced at the discretion of the Clerk of the Course or the
Stewards of the meeting it shall still count as a full points scoring round.
3.5.2 The races at each individual round and/or event will be programmed to meet the structured format. If for any reason either of the races is reduced in distance, this race will still count as part of the championship, without any adjustment to the other races in respect of equality of laps. This is done on the basis that every driver will race in each race; therefore any race reduction is equal for all concerned irrespective of whether drivers were placed at the back of the grid or not.
3.5.3 If for any reason a race cannot be run or deemed not to be run, then compensatory points will be awarded to all drivers scheduled in that race. The number of points awarded will be
calculated by taking the total number of points available for the race as per the points system,
divided by the number of scheduled starters, all calculated to the nearest five points.
On a personal note:
To Colin and Keith White and their team and to Shane Brereton, a herculean effort to get there this weekend despite the weather.
To Shane Brereton, despite the long journey and feeling very ill you showed the race fans this weekend the dedication, commitment and enthusiasm to the V8 Trophy series that we all try to show, and you proved to our supporters how committed we all are to trying to support Oval V8 racing in this Country.
To all our loyal race fans, friends and sponsors I can only say that all teams were ready to race, the decisions taken on the 2 days were beyond our control.
Ray
Team Networking
Which ones are the queens? ;) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Forum Buddy
Can I suggest that rather than send an email, write a formal letter and send it by post. Or at least send the email and back it up with a letter. IMHO the recipient may take it more seriously as it takes nothing to fire off an email (and nothing for them to reply with a stock answer), but writing and posting a letter helps show you are serious.
You have the names, the address is:
British Racing & Sports Car Club
Homesdale Business Centre
Platt Industrial Estate
Maidstone Road
Borough Green
Kent
TN15 8JL
And if you do write to them, don't rant, hurl abuse etc. etc. Be professional and to the point; if you abuse them (regardless of how abused you feel yourself) they won't read it.
Gosh!
I don't think I have ever seen a series of posts like this from team members before.
Ever...
I hope lessons can be learnt from Sunday.
I can't comment, as I was only there on Saturday.
Julian.