RGM, you're just a ray of sunshine, but how can you compare a track with sub 18 second laps to a track with 1 minute 45 second laps!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RGM Fan
Just wonderin'
Printable View
RGM, you're just a ray of sunshine, but how can you compare a track with sub 18 second laps to a track with 1 minute 45 second laps!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RGM Fan
Just wonderin'
FWIW I watched both and really enjoyed both, glad to see PT win. I admit I got more engrossed in Iowa, because I flipped back and never saw what happened to Bordais. I thought it was really intriguing in the end when they were showing how much "push to pass" Doornbos had and was looking foward to an exciting last lap, but did Doornbos even use it? If not, did he say why? Somewhat disappointing in that regard but still good.
The Iowa race was really intriguing, and I thought it was maybe going to play into Danica's hand possibly when she wrecked. Then I thought it was possibly Vitor's day finally, but he had suspension failure. I don't know where anyone would see team orders in the finish. If Dario protected the bottom, and he did, there was no way Marco gets around him. Still it was exciting in the end, and I enjoyed the race.
Call me crazy but I just like car racing.
It was said by the announcers that AGR decided to tell Marco not to pass. Announcers have been wrong before though, and I didn't hear anyone mention this in the post-race interviews.
Marco did seem to have the faster car (could have been the tow), but agreed that even if he was a couple mph faster than Dario, he wouldn't have been able to pass without the inside line. So the "team" decision was probably redundant. In fact that was the problem all day, the drivers were rushing to pass on starts because with similar equipment it was very challenging to pass at racing speeds.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
Huh? Where the H@ll do you get 1 min. 45 sec. laps from? They qualified at Cleveland between 56 and 58 seconds a lap. Even the average lap time for the race was well below 1:45, including slow laps run under caution. The average lap time for the winning driver today (for 89 laps run in one hour and 45 minutes) was just over 1 minute, 10 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
My apologies for the incorrect data. The original premise still stands though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skid Marx
I'm trying to get away from talking about split politics and which series is better so we might as well compare racing. I think it speaks volumes that there was more passing on a road course then there was on an oval.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
I thought today the IRL showed that most of its top drivers make a lot of simple mistakes, are massively over-aggressive (ie four wide on a narrow short oval) and can't pass under green flag conditions. The guy who won won because he stayed on the track longer than all the faster cars. He also had a teammate behind him ordered not to pass and block for him. All and all I would say it was a disaster, although an entertaining disaster to watch. I don't know if I've ever laughed so much at one race.
I felt CC showed a great sense of history, lots of passing, a come from behind victory and that it has a number of talented drivers and teams that can win on any given Sunday. The crowd was stronger than the past couple years. It had some great story lines and only one multi-car accident.
I think the big difference was CC put on an entertaining, professional show, where if you weren't competitive you didn't get a good finish. I think the IRL raced on a track that clearly wasn't suited to their kind of racing and showed in the IRL if you just show up you can get a top 10, or finish third with a medicore car.
I wouldn't call Iowa high banked at 12-14 degrees...
I wouldn't say 38 miles less(20% more distance) is anywhere close to covering as much ground, much less "almost".
Some of your other points are pretty irrelevant too, IMO, and don't dictate what makes a race/show better, other than as you or someone else see's fit to back up their predetermined point of view.
In the final analysis NASCAR put on the best race of the day by far, and CC and the IRL's ratings combined and multplied by 2, won't likely equal them. That's probably more relevant and important to AOWR than comparing Cleveland and Iowa races.
Both races were super cool.
Horrible biased comparison RGM Fan, I dont need to explain why. I know numbers speak for themselves but we are not compairing apples to apples here. There are a great many factors you are choosing to ignore.
I flipped back and forth between both races all afternoon. When it came down to the last 10 laps or so of Cleveland, I stayed with it thru to the end to see if Doornbos with all his P2P would pull of a pass on the fuel deprived Tracy. There was no way I was leaving that or the post race interviews. Then when it was over, I went back to Iowa and watched the best part of that race- Dario & Marco going head to head. I don't recall hearing that Marco was told not to pass-may have been while I was still with CC. I did hear them say (I think it was Arute) that when AGR was asked about if there was team orders, they bluntly answered "NO!"
Oops, I almost forgot to mention, I enjoyed both races but I think I enjoyed CC more. After all of this open wheel racing, I went over to Sonoma. I enjoyed the end of that race as well watching Montoya (a CC product & Indy 500 winner) nurse his fuel deprived car to a win when he was supposed to run out of fuel with a lap or 2left.