2024 Race 17 Azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Disagree. It was unrealistic of Perez to expect Sainz to stay against the wall the entire way down the straight. A thinking driver would have given Sainz more space. Sainz was ahead with limited visibility to of where Perez was relative to him. Perez, on the other hand, had full visibility of what was happening and should have been able to predict that Sainz was likely to move left. Ultimately it comes down to who could have avoided the accident - both. But who ho had the greater chance of avoiding the accident? Definitely Perez.

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You are usually right about these sorts of incidents. But maybe you should watch this one again. This is what SkySport F1 had to say about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnCgiVzg518

It is a shame since Sainz could have finished 2nd. He was the fastest of the top four cars at that stage of the race. Also a shame for Perez, who may have had his best finish this year and beating Verstappen fair and square in the same machinery. We missed out on some more interesting racing to the line. We will never know if a Ferrari win may have materialized in those last few laps.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

You are usually right about these sorts of incidents. But maybe you should watch this one again. This is what SkySport F1 had to say about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnCgiVzg518

It is a shame since Sainz could have finished 2nd. He was the fastest of the top four cars at that stage of the race. Also a shame for Perez, who may have had his best finish this year and beating Verstappen fair and square in the same machinery. We missed out on some more interesting racing to the line. We will never know if a Ferrari win may have materialized in those last few laps.

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I saw what Sky Sports had to say live on air. I don’t agree with it and I wish Anthony Davidson was analysing that one as I think he’d be of the same opinion as me. They haven’t taken all factors into consideration. Overall I think the Stewards got this one right in not penalising either driver, however, I still must lay more of the blame on the guy who had 100% view of everything that was and could happen, not the guy who couldn’t see the other properly and had little room.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I still must lay more of the blame on the guy who had 100% view of everything that was and could happen, not the guy who couldn’t see the other properly and had little room.

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That was basically Mark Webber's summary on the UK Channel 4 TV highlights.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I saw what Sky Sports had to say live on air. I don’t agree with it and I wish Anthony Davidson was analysing that one as I think he’d be of the same opinion as me. They haven’t taken all factors into consideration. Overall I think the Stewards got this one right in not penalising either driver, however, I still must lay more of the blame on the guy who had 100% view of everything that was and could happen, not the guy who couldn’t see the other properly and had little room.

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That was my initial thought, but l took another look and thought Sainz could also have slowed down knowing it was not practical to carry on at speed with part of the car off track. They both put their foot down and Sainz in a compromised position risked losing it which he did and crashed into Perez. Why should Perez slow down or make it easy for Sainz? This is a race. It is up to Sainz to make a judgment call and realize that his dirty tires off track may compromise his chances of getting past Perez and possibly cause a loss of control.

The thing most are missing is that Perez would have to give up the slipstream from Leclerc, to make way for Sainz who would inherit the slipstream as a consequence. Perez did what any racing driver with a brain would do, hanging out to dry and forcing him to slow down or crash.

As an aside, isn't it interesting that the end of the race at Baku has some similarity with Abu Dhabi 2021? The stewards in this race followed the rules appropriately, with a safety car convoy to the end of the race as it has been done for years. But at Abu Dhabi, dodgy Masi allows them to race to the line with one lap to go.

They wanted that drama in 2021.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

That was my initial thought, but l took another look and thought Sainz could also have slowed down knowing it was not practical to carry on at speed with part of the car off track. They both put their foot down and Sainz in a compromised position risked losing it which he did and crashed into Perez. Why should Perez slow down or make it easy for Sainz? This is a race. It is up to Sainz to make a judgment call and realize that his dirty tires off track may compromise his chances of getting past Perez and possibly cause a loss of control.

The thing most are missing is that Perez would have to give up the slipstream from Leclerc, to make way for Sainz who would inherit the slipstream as a consequence. Perez did what any racing driver with a brain would do, hanging out to dry and forcing him to slow down or crash.

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You’ve this backwards man. Sainz was ahead and it’s up to the following driver to complete the overtake. Stating that a driver leading should have slowed down in anyway is way off and utterly bananas. He was under no obligation to help Perez. His job is to stay ahead, he did exactly as every lead driver would be entitled to do, took the racing line. The responsibility is on Perez to get by, he didn’t do that. The tow to Leclerc is irrelevant and doesn’t strengthen Checo’s position. Perez should have known Sainz wasn’t going to stay up against the wall. Much like Monaco it was simply another dead brain moment from him.

And if you’re now stating that Perez gave Sainz the slow down or crash ultimatum, then you’re admitting he didn’t give him enough room which is also an admission of guilt for Checo.

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Originally Posted by N. Jones

They wanted that drama in 2021.

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I get that, they are paid to implement the rules, not make up new rules on the fly because it seemed like a good idea or have been bribed to produce a specific outcome.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

You’ve this backwards man. Sainz was ahead and it’s up to the following driver to complete the overtake. Stating that a driver leading should have slowed down in anyway is way off and utterly bananas. He was under no obligation to help Perez. His job is to stay ahead, he did exactly as every lead driver would be entitled to do, took the racing line. The responsibility is on Perez to get by, he didn’t do that. The tow to Leclerc is irrelevant and doesn’t strengthen Checo’s position. Perez should have known Sainz wasn’t going to stay up against the wall. Much like Monaco it was simply another dead brain moment from him.

And if you’re now stating that Perez gave Sainz the slow down or crash ultimatum, then you’re admitting he didn’t give him enough room which is also an admission of guilt for Checo.

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Sorry, you missed the point that Sainz was already on track within the white lines before he moved left and touched tires with the Redbull. Yes, he was ahead, but he cannot take the racing line while another car is more than halfway alongside him and on the racing line, that would produce a crash otherwise which it did. Mind you, the contact was between the rear tires of both cars touching, that is how far up alongside Perez was.

Besides, Sainz had more to lose, hence should have used his head to make sure it was a clean pass. I think he may have won the race or finished second at worst, if he were able to pass Perez cleanly. He did not need to move left in an attempt to squeeze Perez. All he had to do was to use his tire advantage to get through without contact.

That in-the-moment intelligence is what separates the great drivers from the rest. Something that Sainz has to learn. Put Piastri in that situation, l am very sure the move would have been completed successfully without contact.

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

Mind you, the contact was between the rear tires of both cars touching, that is how far up alongside Perez was.

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Take another look. The centre of Perez's front axle was just ahead of the centre of Sains' rear axle at the point of contact.