There were no death camps in Germany during WW11

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Originally Posted by Lousada

No Poland was first of all split between Germany and the Soviet Union (and a little bit for Slovakia) in 1939.

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That would be the portion Poland grabbed when Germany occupied the rest of Czechoslovakia in 1938. Such a weird couple of years, those were.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Never been good or interested in modern history that's why I'm a bit confused: Was Poland a sovereign state during WW II? Wasn't Poland occupied and annexed to Germany?

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

The United States assumed territorial control over the southern portion of Guantánamo Bay under the 1903 Cuban-American Treaty. The United States has complete jurisdiction and control over this territory, while Cuba retains ultimate sovereignty. The current government of Cuba regards the U.S. presence in Guantánamo Bay as illegal and insists the Cuban-American Treaty was obtained by threat of force in violation of international law. Some legal scholars judge that the lease may be voidable. It is the home of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, which is governed by the United States.

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The US controls the land under Treaty. Your unnamed "Legal Scholars" aside the lease isn't voidable. If it was Cuba would have sued for it decades ago.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The US controls the land under Treaty. Your unnamed "Legal Scholars" aside the lease isn't voidable. If it was Cuba would have sued for it decades ago.

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Just because someone doesn't take legal action with regard to something doesn't mean their case wouldn't be valid, you know.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Water Boarding isn't torture

Guantanamo Bay IS considered US Territory but being a military installation is policed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Do your homework

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So the man/woman that knows all about Europe and all items political states that waterboarding is not torture.Why if this act is not torture did the United States execute Japanese officers for waterboarding?

Must be that you think they are just washing their faces down there in Guantanamo, eh Tony?

Bent Sørensen, Senior Medical Consultant to the International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims and former member of the United Nations Committee Against Torture has said:
It's a clear-cut case: Waterboarding can without any reservation be labeled as torture. It fulfils all of the four central criteria that according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture (UNCAT) defines an act of torture. First, when water is forced into your lungs in this fashion, in addition to the pain you are likely to experience an immediate and extreme fear of death. You may even suffer a heart attack from the stress or damage to the lungs and brain from inhalation of water and oxygen deprivation. In other words there is no doubt that waterboarding causes severe physical and/or mental suffering– one central element in the UNCAT's definition of torture. In addition the CIA's waterboarding clearly fulfills the three additional definition criteria stated in the Convention for a deed to be labeled torture, since it is 1) done intentionally, 2) for a specific purpose and 3) by a representative of a state– in this case the US

You then tell me to do my homework when I mentioned Guantanamo. You state that it is a US military installation.

You are arguing with me on the fact that Guantanamo is part of the US. Did I say otherwise. If it is not torture, then why were they doing it?

Would you like it if the US troops were subjected to this?

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Originally Posted by Lousada

This is factually untrue as I already stated in another post. I suppose the main reason for holocaust denial is that there weren't that many German Jews in the first place. In pre Nazi Germany there were about 250.000 on a population of 80 million. That's almost nothing. Many Germans probably didn't even knew a Jew in person. And of those 250.000 some two thirds survived the war. That is because they had 7 years of Hitler before the World War and already knew they had to emigrate as fast as possible. So even if a German knew about Jews he probably heard they emigrated. It is not hard to understand that that mindset finds it incomprehensible that the German peoples are responsible for the mass annihilation of 6 million people.

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I can't understand what on earth you are speaking of other than the fact that you claim what I stated was untrue. It is true. There were no designated death camps in Germany. They were Concentration camps. I said that people died in these camps but they were not set up for the purpose of mass murder. That they did outside of Germany. You sir, are as is Anthony uninformed on the history.

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Originally Posted by Lousada

Actually Auschwitz and many other camps were definately on German soil as the Nazis annexed and incorporated large pieces of occupied territory. They were not within the pre-38 Germany no, but they were technically, politically, administratively part of Germany. So by every definition possible it was on German soil.

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You are playing semantics. The point is/was adjudged that on actual, real Germany, not conquered land that there were no death camps in Germany proper.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Water Boarding isn't torture

Guantanamo Bay IS considered US Territory but being a military installation is policed under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Do your homework

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OK, I will:

http://www.public-access-project.org/asano_case.pdf
and here:
Waterboarding Historically Controversial
Specification 1:That in or about July or August, 1943, the accused Yukio Asano, did willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture Morris O. Killough, an American Prisoner of War, by beating and kicking him; by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring water up his nostrils.

Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor for his crimes which included torture. Am I to assume that the U.S. Military Commission doesn't agree with... Uniform Code of Military Justice? Say what now?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

OK, I will:

http://www.public-access-project.org/asano_case.pdf
and here:
Waterboarding Historically Controversial
Specification 1:That in or about July or August, 1943, the accused Yukio Asano, did willfully and unlawfully, brutally mistreat and torture Morris O. Killough, an American Prisoner of War, by beating and kicking him; by fastening him on a stretcher and pouring water up his nostrils.

Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor for his crimes which included torture. Am I to assume that the U.S. Military Commission doesn't agree with... Uniform Code of Military Justice? Say what now?

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The US – or, rather, the section of US public opinion represented here by anthonyvop — is fine with torture when it's the US doing it, but not when it's meted out against US citizens, because the US is always in the right. That seems a fair summation.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The US controls the land under Treaty. Your unnamed "Legal Scholars" aside the lease isn't voidable. If it was Cuba would have sued for it decades ago.

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Merely stating what the situation there is, not taking anyone's side here :)

I think it's time to apologise for dragging this thread off topic with the sidelong reference to Guantanamo Bay. The fact that the 'death camps' were not in Germany proper is an interesting enough topic in its own right.