Fan streaming video site a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Mark

100% not legal.

When you attend an event it will state on your ticket that any photo and videos are for your own use only and not for commercial use. The fact that no money changes hands is not relevant here. The only money that would be changing hands is money out of your bank account on legal costs.

It's a non starter. Sorry.

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I'm not trying to be awkward, but where is the difference to a fan made video on Youtube or posted to a forum thread?

The only jump seems to be to true live streaming and the format of an easier graphical interface for the fans. (effectively ordering the geographical position of the media much like is done with photos on Google Earth)

In many many ways I would rather see the rights holder be the ones to run with this in any case, but I'm still struggling to see why it is OK to post images and video footage one has taken oneself on the web, which we do now, but 100% illegal to live stream footage.

Doesn't it come down to land ownership? Whoever owns the land each side of the rally route can set their own terms for admission. And that includes access to take photographs. A possible exception is common land where the public have the right of access. This might include the right to take pictures.
I don't think that rally organisers can legally claim ownership of footage of the rally unless they have made it a condition of admission, which they can presumably only do if they own the land or have an agreement with the land owners.

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Originally Posted by Sprocket

In many many ways I would rather see the rights holder be the ones to run with this in any case, but I'm still struggling to see why it is OK to post images and video footage one has taken oneself on the web, which we do now, but 100% illegal to live stream footage.

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Might be wrong but also fan vids aren't 100% legal.

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Originally Posted by Franky

Might be wrong but also fan vids aren't 100% legal.

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You're probably right, it would just take a lot of effort to pull them all down. Time = money.

So in a way the main thing against such a site would be it would pool peoples efforts into one easy to target place!

Interesting discussion though. It has certainly got me thinking about it all. In particular having a go myself with very local events where there are no rights issues. For many local auto clubs doubling entries for an event from 8 to 16 cars would make a huge difference, so if 50 people watched something like a local Autotest live on the web and just a few of them entered the next event, that could be judged a huge success.

Perhaps that would be a way, tackle the concept from the other end of the scope, if such ideas spread from local to national level, in a decade or so, the WRC promoters would kind of look very out of date for not using such resources. Seems to me they are struggling with effective TV coverage as it is so they really ought to be looking at alternatives such as this.

We would not need to stream if WRC was happy to put highlights on youtube and organize a proper highlights DVD at the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Plan9

We would not need to stream if WRC was happy to put highlights on youtube and organize a proper highlights DVD at the end of the season.

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WRC.com is now hosting full length highlight shows for Sweden which is a good move.

I kind of like the idea of the live stream, the SVT coverage from Sweden made the whole thing really cool whilst I was listening to Rally Radio. I felt much closer to the event and it convinced me I must go in the future. Highlights are good (well they could be), but if I'm prepared to sit through most of the day following results on the internet, it sure would be 'nice' to see some footage live too. It really doesn't seem like such a big ask in this day and age.

I guess the fan generated concept is purely because the current promoters have not get their act together with it already for each rally. It seems daft, don't they want people to follow the sport, see the sponsors logos and get involved? If they do why not use an obvious resource like live web streaming to take the action to fans all over the world. I'm sure TV deals are big money, I'm not so sure they are big exposure for the sport though.

When we were in Spain for rally de Espana 2012, I have an idea to try and stream live some footage from the start ceremony and the special stages. So i need a phone with a camera, internet acces and a site where to stream the footage. I have bought a prepaid sim card with mobile internet and made a registration on ustream.com. At the starting ceremony in Barcelona I've managed to make some videos, but the probelm comes when you are in the forest or in the mountains where the 3g signal is very low or is missing totally. Maybe it's possible to have a better connection but definately will raise the cost of streaming and will be impossible for an ordinary rally fan to make a broadcast directly from his spot on the special stage.

It's not impossible in general indeed. On last year's Rally Sweden a spectator was streaming from his phone the finish of the final stage (on facebook I think) and we saw live the victory of Latvalla.

Guys why not just create a page on G+ and make hangouts. And if anyone uploads videos on YouTube why no stream without money issue involved not for commercial use

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